posted October 02, 2019 03:42 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Trump supporters are basically my sister: in total denial, calling everyone else delusional and irrational, and inflicting this guy on the rest of us. Or worse, you're aware of everything wrong with him, that he's a monster and a criminal, selling out our country as well - but you go along with it, because you're getting something out of it. 

I had chills last night, as I read about what he wanted to do to migrants. They aren't human to him. Their lives don't matter (to him, or Stephen Miller, and others you've helped him to put in charge of this country). He doesn't scare me nearly as much as his supporters do. Without you, he'd be nothing. 

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You're a delusional, irrational leftist who doesn't give a damn about the truth or America. That's the hallmark of leftists, they hate America and are doing everything in their power to diminish this country. Leftists support airhead candidates whose stated policies would bankrupt the United States and institute a socialist gulag. leftists, like you supported the Queen of Corruption, Hillary The Corrupt, the most corrupt woman in the United States and haven't gotten over the fact Trump beat your little corrupt Queen in a landslide election.

Leftists are liars...or alternatively, leftists are intellectual pygmies who know nothing and can be made to believe anything coming out of the lower orifice of other lying leftists no matter how stupid, how irrational or how impossible. Take your pick.

Everyone, if they work, has gotten something from Trump. Unemployment is at 50 year lows, wages are rising, there's more jobs available than people to fill them, regulations have been cut and government is out of the a$$es of American citizens. Quite unlike the abomination of the Marxist Messiah, Obama administration.

posted October 02, 2019 07:04 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktdi_L0rYkk

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More bullshiiite from another nitwit democrat whose run for president is going..
NOWHERE, NOWHERE, NOWHERE.

Asking the Attorney General of the United States if he's been cleared...by people who work for him to make criminal charging decisions is one of the most utterly stupid utterances to come out of the blowhole of candidate Harris.

posted October 02, 2019 07:11 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I seem to be one of the few who doesn't want to see anyone melting down, but this is still a good question: http://twitter.com/bryanbehar/status/1179463587200299008

So is this: http://twitter.com/battletested5/status/1179471645599305729

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Got a lot of loose screws up there, right?
Did you even watch the President's press briefing with the President of Finland?

There's no sense in lying about that briefing because I DID WATCH IT and there was no meltdown by President Trump.

posted October 03, 2019 02:26 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Nixon's lawyer is astounded by it all.
http://twitter.com/JohnWDean/status/1179781681776979969

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You keep bringing up people who are irrelevant. John Dean was a washed up has been when he worked for Nixon, also a lowlife liar who should have gone to prison but cut a deal. That didn't make John Dean 'not guilty'. He was guilty but escaped punishment.

posted October 03, 2019 04:41 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
http://twitter.com/joncoopertweets/status/1179756908099637248

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John Cooper, Barbara Malmet and Holly Hand, 3 brain dead Twitter morons who couldn't find their own a$$es with both hands.

No one on planet earth is more desperate than China to see Trump defeated. They're sure not working with Trump with Chinese voting machines to cook the 2020 elections in Trump's favor.

Where do you find all these idiots? Oh yeah, Twitter. Everything posted on Twitter is gospel truth.

posted October 03, 2019 07:36 PM            

Hes a don but hes a DUMB DON.

Sadly he may just jawbone his way into a dictatorship because the republicans are too spineless and greedy to do anything.
No good will come of that, it will tank our economy and turn us into just another latin American country. If we are stupid enough to let Trump take over then we deserve this.

posted October 03, 2019 11:54 PM            

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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:
Trump literally said China should investigate Biden today.

Clearly sees nothing wrong with foreign powers interfering in our elections.

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So, you're worried about foreign powers interfering in US elections? Don't make me laugh.

Were you worried about foreign election interference when Hillary The Corrupt and the DNC spent more than $10 million to dig up dirt on Trump with Russia...and interfere in the 2016 election? Well, were you?

And, were you worried when 3 demorat Senators sent a letter to the prosecutor in Ukraine demanding he turn over dirt on Trump to Mueller...or, Ukraine might kiss US foreign aid to Ukraine goodbye. Well, were you?

And, were you worried when the Obama administration sought help from Great Britain, Australia and Italy to interfere in the 2016 election and help Hillary The Corrupt defeat Trump. Well, were you?

Well, did any of that WORRY YOU?

If not, you're just a garden variety hypocrite with TDS, Trump Derangement Syndrome.

One more thing.
Randall is right. There is a treaty with Ukraine which obligates both nations to assist each other with criminal investigations of each others citizens.

Trump has a Constitutional duty to...SEE THAT THE LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES ARE FAITHFULLY EXECUTED. A treaty is binding law for nations which enter into treaty obligations.

Joe Biden sold the office of Vice President for money and he used American Tax dollars to strong arm Ukraine into firing a prosecutor who was hot on the a$$ of his son Hunter Biden.

Joe Biden entered into another PAY TO PLAY scheme with China, selling his office to China for a $1.5 billion payday for his son Hunter.

posted October 04, 2019 12:41 AM            

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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:
More gas lighting, deflection and blame.

You've drank the Trump kool aid and lost your mind.

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posted October 04, 2019 07:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
It's an investigation into corruption. Why should Biden be exempt from an investigation simply because he is running for the Democrat nomination? We also have treaties with both the Ukraine and China that allow President Trump to do so.

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posted October 04, 2019 11:48 PM            

Based on today's standards, promoted in Congress and the press, Democratic Party candidates, such as Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden, can greatly enrich their families with massive amounts of money from foreign parties, and a Republican president and his Justice Department are not even allowed to bring up their names, let alone research their obvious corruption.

posted October 05, 2019 11:26 PM            

You get to reduce me and others to a screeching, sniveling, irrational/delusional, dimorat baby killer

but my pointing out that you sometimes sound like you've stepped out of Trump's version of Stepford? Well, that's just mean...

I had no issue with SV at all, until I saw the comment here, after I'd shared something really personal a few days before, in a different thread. I linked it to that, and I got angry (and hurt). So the argument started elsewhere, because of that. I edited a post I'd made earlier that day, after that, because I was ****** . I'd been feeling off for a couple of days, and then on the Sunday, I was really depressed. I couldn't shake it, was starting to feel worried, and then I saw that. Passive-aggressive bait. That was my issue. So, I'm defensive now, just a tad.

posted October 06, 2019 03:17 PM            

Trove of text messages makes one thing clear: Trump knew his Ukraine extortion was illegal

One of the running bits on HBO’s hit series “Succession” is between Tom Wamsgans, an executive at the fictional Waystar Royco corporation at the center of the show, and his lackey Greg Hirsch. Tom compels Greg to join what is clearly a criminal conspiracy. Every time Tom tells Greg to do something illegal, or follows up by asking him how the illegal thing went, he ends the talk with some variation of, “We never had this conversation.”

To normal viewers, the point of the bit is clear enough: Tom is saying he will deny this conversation if asked about it and expects Greg to do the same.

If we’re to believe the things Republicans are saying now, they watch this show and respond, “Golly gee, he just made that conversation disappear by saying the magic words! Tom must be a wizard!”

After all, that pretty well summarizes the spin Republican politicians, pundits and their parrots are putting out concerning a series of damning text messages released by the House Intelligence Committee. These messages show State Department officials, clearly working under President Trump’s direct orders, conducting a lengthy pressure campaign on the Ukrainian government. State Department officials made it quite clear to their counterparts in Ukraine that staying in Trump’s good graces — and getting desperately needed military aid — was contingent on Ukraine providing Trump concocted evidence he could use to bolster his crackpot conspiracy theories about the Democrats.

The documents are quite clear about both the quid that was expected and the quo that would be withheld if the Ukrainian side failed to give the orange mobster in the Oval Office what he desired. An aide to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky repeatedly presses for a meeting between his boss and Trump, clearly to discuss the military aid that Trump was withholding from the Kyiv government. He is repeatedly told that won’t happen until Zelensky announces an investigation into already-debunked conspiracy theories about Hillary Clinton and former Vice President Joe Biden. Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the EU, and Kurt Volker, who was then the special U.S. envoy to Ukraine, also discuss between themselves how to extract a “deliverable” from Zelensky in order to make the meeting happen, with the clear goal of getting the military aid released

On Sept. 9, Bill Taylor, the U.S. chargé d’affaires in Ukraine (and the top diplomat in the absence of an ambassador), texted Sondland: “As I said on the phone, I think it’s crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign.”

Sondland, clearly worried that Taylor might become a snitch, replied, “The president has been crystal clear no quid pro quo’s of any kind.” It may be worth noting here that Sondland is a wealthy hotel proprietor and real estate investor who donated $1 million to Trump’s inaugural fund, whereas Taylor has been a career diplomat since 1992.

Republicans like Trump sycophant Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, have predictably seized on this statement as proof that there was no quid pro quo, despite the lengthy textual evidence preceding it showcasing the quid, the quo and endless discussion on the timing of the pro. This is much like saying that because Trump paid Stormy Daniels for her silence, that means the adultery never happened.

Of course, Republicans aren’t actually stupid enough to think yelling “Take-backsies!” works. As usual, this is a bad faith argument and needs to be understood as such.

But Sondland’s text is more than a lame ass-covering effort. It also shows that he and Trump were well aware that what they were doing was unethical or illegal or both. That’s why there’s all the subterfuge and attempts to claim that obvious quid pro quo is not quid pro quo simply because you say so, which is a little like yelling, “These are not drugs!” as you flush the cocaine down the toilet while the cops come through the door.

It’s the same situation with this interesting text exchange between Sondland and Taylor:

[9/1/19, 12:08:57 PM] Bill Taylor: Are we now saying that security assistance and WH meeting are conditioned on investigations?

[9/1/19, 12:42:29 PM] Gordon Sondland: Call me

It seems that some rudimentary understanding of the Stringer Bell rule — don’t take notes on a criminal f**king conspiracy — wormed its way into Sondland’s brain, but only when he realized he was talking to the openly skeptical Taylor, and not when he was working with Volker to strong-arm Zelensky on that “deliverable.”

“It’s the cover-up and not the crime” is always a lame cliché, and even more so in a case like this, where Ukrainian soldiers were dying in the conflict with Russia while Trump was holding up military aid in hopes that Ukraine would fluff up a conspiracy theory for him. But Trump has used that cliché to great effect, by being so brazen about flouting the law.

Our president “admits having done it, but then argues that it’s perfectly cool, perfectly legal, and not that big of a deal,” Dahlia Lithwick writes in Slate, describes Trump’s strategy of escaping accountability. “It’s uncanny but it never fails him.”

By telling Taylor that Trump is insisting that his behavior doesn’t constitute a quid pro quo, Sondland inadvertently shows that Trump understood perfectly well that it was illegal to withhold military aid and refuse to meet with Zelensky until he got the “deliverable,” in the form of grist for his conspiracy theories.

Trump may not be anyone’s idea of an intellectual, but when it comes to managing corrupt and criminal conspiracies, he knows full well what he’s doing. He only play-acts for the cameras — and for Maggie Haberman — the role of a nincompoop who has no idea that his criminal behavior is criminal.

As usual, Trump and his allies are depending on the likelihood that people simply won’t read the full documents that give context to the quotes being bandied about on social media and cable news. Congressional documentation of the relevant text messages is only six pages long, with generous spacing. Anyone who cares to know the truth can read it in the timespan of a short visit to the loo. It’s crucial for members of the public to read the evidence for themselves, rather than listen to Republicans as they pretend they’re too dim to understand the dialogue in a standard-issue gangster movie.

Appearing with host Alex Witt on Sunday afternoon, MSNBC National Security and Justice Reporter Julia Ainsley was asked about Donald Trump's Ukraine scandal that appears to be consuming his entire cabinet and noted that one non-cabinet member might be in big trouble.

"I mean looking at the text messages, it obviously opens up a wider universe of people who knew that the president was putting pressure on Ukraine to investigate the Bidens and they are already bringing up the questions that we're having now, months later, about whether or not this should be an exchange for military funding," Ainsley began. "And then you get to that key piece of the text message where they decide to take it off of text and on to the phone."

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Joe Biden’s campaign has released a memo to the press that outlines how the former vice president intends to respond to President Donald Trump’s recent smears against the Democrat’s candidacy.

This article first appeared in Salon.

The memo says that the campaign will respond to the president’s attacks by “focus[ing] on the issues that impact people’s lives while simultaneously hammering Donald Trump for his unprecedented abuse of power and correcting the record on the mountain of lies Trump and his allies continue to spread about Joe Biden,” according to CBS News. It also announced that a $6 million ad campaign across broadcast and digital platforms will draw attention to Biden’s response to Trump’s attacks, with the title of the spot foreshadowing its overall message — “Unhinged.”

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posted October 06, 2019 03:30 PM            

Volker docs bombshell: Top US diplomat said Ukraine aid was withheld ‘for help with a political campaign’

Newly revealed text messages show that the top U.S. diplomat to Ukraine expressed concerns about the Trump administration withholding aid to the country for political purposes.

ABC News reports that the text messages were revealed as part of a document dump by Kurt Volker, who last week resigned as the Trump administration’s special envoy to Ukraine.

In the text exchange obtained by ABC News, Bill Taylor, the top U.S. diplomat to Ukraine, told a group of fellow American diplomats that “I think it’s crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign,” a reference to the Trump administration’s decision to put a hold on aid to Ukraine.

Gordon Sondland, the United States Ambassador to the European Union and a major donor to Trump’s inaugural committee, then responded to Taylor by insisting that there was no “quid pro quo” with the Ukrainian aid and asked Taylor to stop talking about the issue over text messages.

According to ABC News, Sondland “contributed over $1 million to the president’s inaugural committee before eventually being nominated and confirmed to the top role as the United States representative to the European Union.”