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Topic: Survivors and victims on shocking state-sanctioned organ harvesting in China
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StubbornVirgo
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From: Welcome to Mercury
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posted October 27, 2019 09:03 AM
  
The kind of stuff that nightmares are made of. And yet another reason to not trust China.Survivors and victims on shocking state-sanctioned organ harvesting in China https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/survivors-and-victims-on-shocking-state-sanctioned-organ-harvesting-in-china/ar-AAJp1Qn?ocid=spartandhp IP: Logged |
shura
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From: kamaloka
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted October 27, 2019 11:41 AM
Yes, it is. This is happening behind the scenes throughout the world. Remember the Serbian stories? China is simply making it "ok." In the west, the media brings these unpleasant things to the forefront, slowly normalizing them, then governments legalize them. Its a good formula, it works. China is the future. Watch them closely.Again, Russia and Trump are at odds. China and Trump (US/Israel) have only one major issue: who will lead the coming world order? IP: Logged |
StubbornVirgo
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posted October 28, 2019 06:50 AM
It will never be ok here. Medical professionals have to jump through many hoops for legal organ transplants for one big reason: consent. As long as consent continues to be a major legal and ethical concern in US medicine, this kind of stuff will never happen.I don't know why I'm surprised. China is the center of major investigations by Humane Society International for animal rights violations. Why should we expect them to treat their people any better than they treat their animals? It's so sad that an entire government can value life so little. IP: Logged |
juniperb
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From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 28, 2019 09:17 AM
Consent is a slippery slope in 2019.
I refer to parents refusing consent for their childs chemo therapy.
Courts over rule and makes consent useless.
As history progress's, imho, we will find consent doesnt belong to the people but to the courts and those in power.
Indeed, i agree, harvesting organs is a moral and ethical crime. ------------------
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shura
Knowflake Posts: 1998
From: kamaloka
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted October 28, 2019 11:49 AM
Oh sweet summer child."It cant happen here" ... history laughs at this. IP: Logged |
jwhop
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From: Madeira Beach, FL USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 28, 2019 01:44 PM
Is this different?Planned Parenthood’s Organs-For-Lamborghinis Exec Busted Again Trying To Sell Baby Body Parts
April 26, 2017
Bre Payton The Planned Parenthood executive who in 2015 was caught on tape joking about selling baby organs to get a Lamborghini was once again caught haggling over the price of organs harvested from the bodies of aborted babies.....
http://thefederalist.com/2017/04/26/planned-parenthoods-organs-lamborghinis-exec-busted-trying-sell-baby-body-parts/
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shura
Knowflake Posts: 1998
From: kamaloka
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted October 28, 2019 03:41 PM
You're in the right neighborhood, jwhop.Certainly it speaks to what a people can be made to tolerate, accept, even embrace.
Americans consent to all sorts of horrors today. Horrors our grandparents would believe us insane, or worse, to tolerate. If I were to list a few of those horrors here I know most of you would either count me a bigot or insist I was exaggerating. You have been carefully prepped to do so. Your children, perhaps your grandchildren, will accept state sanctioned organ harvesting. Promise.
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StubbornVirgo
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posted October 28, 2019 04:43 PM
quote:
Originally posted by juniperb:
Consent is a slippery slope in 2019.
I refer to parents refusing consent for their childs chemo therapy.
Courts over rule and makes consent useless.
As history progress's, imho, we will find consent doesnt belong to the people but to the courts and those in power.
Indeed, i agree, harvesting organs is a moral and ethical crime.
But what about actual organ donation? In my state, you can sign up as an organ donor, and your family can override it - no questions asked. They can say "no" at any point and everyone must respect that. I assume there are similar laws in the rest of our states. I can't even administer a blood transfusion or blood products to a patient that truly needs it unless they (or someone in their family) can consent to it. The same is true for surgical procedures, even minor ones. It's going to take a lot to override that in this country. You're going to have convince medical professionals to go against what they've been taught, tested on, and trained to do for many years. It's not difficult in a country where it's already the norm, but normalizing it here? Not likely. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted October 28, 2019 04:49 PM
When my mother died, they called us when we were home, to ask if they could take her corneas. She was dead, and they still had to ask. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted October 28, 2019 04:52 PM
quote:
Originally posted by juniperb:
Consent is a slippery slope in 2019.
I refer to parents refusing consent for their childs chemo therapy.
Courts over rule and makes consent useless.
As history progress's, imho, we will find consent doesnt belong to the people but to the courts and those in power.
Indeed, i agree, harvesting organs is a moral and ethical crime.
But that's when a child is possibly in danger. They've always had family services to step in, if there is concern over a child's welfare. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted October 28, 2019 05:08 PM
quote:
Originally posted by shura:
Yes, it is. This is happening behind the scenes throughout the world. Remember the Serbian stories? China is simply making it "ok." In the west, the media brings these unpleasant things to the forefront, slowly normalizing them, then governments legalize them. Its a good formula, it works. China is the future. Watch them closely.Again, Russia and Trump are at odds. China and Trump (US/Israel) have only one major issue: who will lead the coming world order?
What do you mean they normalize them, when they report on them? I've only seen posts from horrified people. I was going to say more, speculating, but there's no point. Plus, I have to go.
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shura
Knowflake Posts: 1998
From: kamaloka
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted October 29, 2019 01:23 AM
Watch it for yourself. The first stage in normalizing an unacceptable issue is to present that issue as unacceptable. Than it becomes controversial. Edgy. "Its time to rethink (fill in the blank)" What are we in the 2nd, 3rd (or beyond) stage of normalizing now?Bug diets. Child consent. Human cannibalism. Pre teen sex change. Child drag queens. 9th month abortion. etc Imagine the NYT running an article 60yrs ago on the benefits of an open marriahe, promoting polyamory because it is actually good for your relationships. They run these articles repeatedly now and none of us so much as blink. Because whats the big deal. Why not, right?
What changed though? Who changed us? Do a search on eating bugs. Count how many articles you find released over the last 10 years. Then 5. Then 2. Notice how they move from alt media to msm. Take note of celebs involved. Watch the tone switch from disgusted to intrigued to fully onboard. Now do blood transfusions for improved health and vitality. Young blood. Blood facials. Blood food. Blood drinks. Why not, right? IP: Logged |
StubbornVirgo
Knowflake Posts: 2742
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posted October 29, 2019 07:59 AM
There's a difference between eating bugs and what China is doing, though. There is always going to be a continued, fluid movement of change in our society. Social norms are going to change, although hopefully not for the worst. But if we truly want to prevent the horrific things from happening, we have to condemn them and outlaw them. You make it sound like this will be an eventual thing in our society. I refuse to believe that...what, because it *might* one day become a thing, we give up on our moral and ethical obligations as decent human beings? No, I don't accept that. I refuse to even entertain that line of thought. IP: Logged |
shura
Knowflake Posts: 1998
From: kamaloka
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted October 29, 2019 10:12 AM
That "continued" movement is engineered. It's intentional. Modern "progress" isn't organic, its the powers that be checking off boxes on their to do list.The bug story serves as an example. Would I rather we all began eating bugs as demanded rather than see state sanctioned organ harvesting become the norm? Yeah. Now chose between normalized pedophilia and organ harvesting. Where are we going to draw the line. This morning I'm reading about a drag queen exposing himself to small children at a library book reading. The line is not here. I would be a bigot if I attempted to draw it. I have no reason to believe it will be drawn before organ harvesting. That would be racist. You dont believe because you dont want to. I sympathize with that, stubbornvirgo. I genuinely do. Yet here we are. IP: Logged |
juniperb
Moderator Posts: 11517
From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 29, 2019 11:16 AM
We all agree morals and ethics have changed since the 1600's. What was immoral and deplorable is now a norm, yes? And so goes societies on to more new norms. Which is going to be what those in the religious, political and economic hierarchy will decide. Unfortunately, if organ harvesting benefits them in any manner, it will become the norm.  ------------------
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shura
Knowflake Posts: 1998
From: kamaloka
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted October 29, 2019 01:29 PM
http://theconversation.com/the-manipulation-of-the-american-mind-edward-bernays-and-the-birth-of-public-relations-44393?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=facebookbutton&fbclid=IwAR3Q2 9lckHnI4s3LFH8wo_NzWX3gzlkQWVquNh3fzmY_fnf5WcyHJgyevfQ"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, and our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of…. It is they who pull the wires that control the public mind." IP: Logged |
shura
Knowflake Posts: 1998
From: kamaloka
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted October 29, 2019 01:47 PM
Step 1 http://www.eatspainup.com/morcilla-what-spains-blood-sausage-can-teach-us-about-foo d-waste/ Step 2 http://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/wjkgz9/human-b lood-sausage-cannibalism-wtf
http://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thelocal.es/20190110/meet-th e-spaniard-making-morcilla-with-his-very-own-blood/amp Vid in case youd like to try it at home. Recent Sun article was careful to remind you that it's ot only perfectly legal but good for the environment too!http://youtu.be/h4Gl66p75_g Watch for step 3 Normalizing something done behind the scenes for a very long time. http://www.google.com/amp/s/www.technologyreview.co m/s/602080/the-next-health-fad-blood-transfusions-from-young-people/amp/ A Godless people will accept anything. There is no line. IP: Logged |
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