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jwhop Knowflake Posts: 14254 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 21, 2020 01:25 PM
Demokrats are already 'Woke'...to levels of psychotic behavior.Sorry to hear 'Woke' demokrats are running a false flag hacking operation on your computer. IP: Logged |
todd Knowflake Posts: 3371 From: Registered: Jun 2009
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posted January 22, 2020 01:42 PM
http://www.rawstory.co m/2020/01/trumps-infuriating-sham-of-an-impeachment-trial-confirms-our-worst-fears/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=3552 Trump’s infuriating sham of an impeachment trial confirms our worst fears So, this is what rot in American politics looks like. It arrives in the padded cats-feet of mostly polite testimony and argument, of tipping hats and heads to Misters, Ma’ams and Senators, and then slowly twisting the knife of majority-dictated rules to turn search for what’s happened into ridicule and sneer. If you were unsure before, there are 53 Republicans and 47 Democrats and independents in the Senate, and by the end of a long, uncomfortable day of deciding on rules for a Senate “trial” of Donald Trump, the 53-47 outcome was heard 11 times, each aimed at undercutting any sense of actually acknowledging that there was anything wrong with running a rogue shakedown campaign from the White House for personal political gain. Now, thankfully, we’re into the actual recitation of the case against and for the president’s bad behavior, with Democrats operating with the testimony of government ambassadors and Trump appointees that we’ve already heard, and the president’s team offering, well, just ridicule. Sometime next week, it is possible that the Senate will reconsider the witness question, but it will be a show for the reelection of moderate Republicans, not out of interest in investigating truth in this matter.
The outcome of the Senate proceedings never has been in doubt – the numbers of Trump loyalists in the chamber alone has been a bulwark against conviction by two-thirds of senators – but the elimination of any curiosity in learning whether there is evidence in the case is beyond the pale.
It makes clear that the law is what a majority says it is. Ironically, that is exactly the substance of the Republican arguments against Democrats in the House who voted for impeachment. But this process also will ensure that we have vastly expanded powers for the presidency, and has seeded Democracy a poison pill. Bring on King Trump. * As expected, Mitch McConnell used his all of his bureaucratic ruses to deny the prosecuting House managers the ability to call new – or, importantly, previously blocked — witnesses or even to subpoena the documents that had been obstructed by this White House.
Still, the House Democrats managed to use their arguments over procedural issues to include a lot of the substantive material about what has already surfaced as evidence, or what should have surfaced. By contrast, most of the argument by Trump defending lawyers was shrill, nonsensical and often aimed as either general lambastes against the audacity of Democrats everywhere to even question the wisdom of Donald Trump or against the individuals arguing the case. The Trump defense was all-but-nonexistent. As Washington Post columnist Dana Milbank noted, “They shouted. They spouted invective. They launched personal attacks against the impeachment managers. But they offered virtually nothing in defense of the president’s conduct, nor anything but a passing reference to Ukraine.”
Instead, we can expect that they will continue to hit as haste in the House to impeach, and defend the right of this president or any president to conduct foreign affairs as he or she sees fit, to have latitude not to have to answer to Congress for any behavior and to protect any conversations ever held by the White House. I realize that I am not the primary audience for either side in this proceeding. House managers are trying to persuade one or two more senators to allow John Bolton and others as witnesses, and, in their fondest dreams, 20 senators to part with Trump; Trump defenders are speaking only to Trump himself.
But, to be honest, the first days’ arguments were infuriating. The Washington Post editorialized that “The defense would also set the precedent that presidents may flatly refuse all cooperation with any congressional inquiry, even though the House’s impeachment power is spelled out in the Constitution. And it would establish that no president may be impeached unless he or she could be convicted of violating a federal statute — no matter the abuse of power.” At the end of the day, the Trump defense is that even if he did abuse his powers in an attempt to bully Ukraine into interfering in the 2020 election on his behalf, it would not matter because the House never accused him of committing an ordinary crime. Hundreds of legal experts around the country have gone on public record to say that view is incorrect, including Jonathan Turley, the constitutional law professor who spoke on Trump’s behalf before House. It is clear that Trump did abuse his office, and it is clear that laws were broken along the way. It is also clear that the effort of proving so was obstructed by the very White House that now claims with self-pity for being the object of a hoax inquiry. And it is clear to me, at least, that once this Senate majority decides against conviction, 53-47, that Trump will boast of conquering the Senate, the Democrats, and Americans in general, and demand re-election and the full pomp and powers of an authoritarian king.
At one point, White House counsel Pat Cipollone claimed that Trump, author of 16,000 public lies in office, “is a man of his word.” Perhaps he hasn’t heard about Speak No Evil . . https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/white-house-lawyers-begin-yelling-at-democrats-during-late-night-debate-after-trump-starts-tweeting/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=3547 White House lawyers begin yelling at Democrats during late-night impeachment trial — after Trump starts tweeting President Donald Trump woke up and began tweeting around midnight EST during the Senate impeachment trial over the amendments over the rules. That’s when a noticeable thing changed on the Senate floor: Trump’s team started yelling. Nearing 1 a.m. EST Tuesday morning while the president was tweeting about impeachment, his team began attacking Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-NY) personally. They called him a liar and accused him of attacking the president and demanded an apology. After nearly 12 hours this was the first time the White House got even remotely animated after a dull defense of the president. It wasn’t lost on those watching the late-night proceedings. You can see the comments below:
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jwhop Knowflake Posts: 14254 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 24, 2020 12:48 PM
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juniperb Moderator Posts: 11703 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 28, 2020 12:13 PM
Witnesses, we want witnesses!! Bolton and Parnas to start. Lets really make this a show . 😁------------------ Partial truth~the seeds of wisdom~can be found in many places...The seeds of wisdom are contained in all scriptures ever written… especially in art, music, and poetry and, above all, in Nature.
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jwhop Knowflake Posts: 14254 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 28, 2020 01:04 PM
Witnesses, we want witnesses.Joe Biden Hunter Biden Adam Schiff The alleged Whistler Blower The Vindmans..both brothers The IC Inspector General Alexandra Chalupa Glen Simpson Nellie Ohr And all documents of every kind between any and all of those parties. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 124358 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 28, 2020 06:26 PM
Yes! And let's keep these Dem Senators who fantasize about being the nominee in the trial for months. Great idea!IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 14254 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 29, 2020 12:09 AM
I'd like to see that group of utterly corrupt conspirators...in the Congress, in the federal bureaucracy and in the Obama administration totally exposed and prosecuted. So, bring on the witnesses, put them under oath and don't stop until we've gone through the whole lot...no matter how long it takes. IP: Logged |
juniperb Moderator Posts: 11703 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 29, 2020 09:16 AM
Ken starr is a forked tongued joke and the joke is on the don. Are the pubbies weakening ... ------------------ Partial truth~the seeds of wisdom~can be found in many places...The seeds of wisdom are contained in all scriptures ever written… especially in art, music, and poetry and, above all, in Nature.
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 124358 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 29, 2020 06:54 PM
As usual, your perception is warped. The Dems have no case. Three Dems are jumping ship and voting for acquittal.IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 124358 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 29, 2020 07:29 PM
Because Pelosi didn’t take a vote, the House didn’t even have the Constitutional authority to subpoena witnesses. You can’t obstruct that. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 14254 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 29, 2020 11:28 PM
quote: Originally posted by Randall: Because Pelosi didn’t take a vote, the House didn’t even have the Constitutional authority to subpoena witnesses. You can’t obstruct that.
So, there goes the Obstruction Of Congress Article straight down the toilet. As for Article 1, Abuse of Power, Schittf and other House loons now claim Bribery and Extortion are contained within Abuse of Power. Not so! The Constitution specifically calls out Bribery as an impeachable offense but says nothing about Abuse of Power. If House loons wanted to impeach on and prove Bribery, they should have charged Bribery in Article 1. As it stands now, the House has failed to charge an impeachable offense by President Trump. He will be acquitted easily and as Randall noted, it will likely be a bipartisan acquittal with democrat support. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 124358 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 30, 2020 03:45 PM
This has been a major Schitt show. It looks like there are not enough votes for witnesses, and acquittal is imminent. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 124358 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 30, 2020 03:55 PM
Even if the witness vote is 50/50, it would fail. Then a very fast exoneration. It could be over early next week. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 14254 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 30, 2020 05:23 PM
**DRUDGE POLL** SHOULD IMPEACHMENT TRIAL HAVE WITNESSES? NO 76% 112,687 votes YES 24% 35,337 votes
Poll posted 6 hours ago. 148,024 Total Votes http://poll.fm/10498694/results IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 124358 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 30, 2020 05:56 PM
Great poll! There's a chance an acquittal vote could take place late tomorrow.IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 14254 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 30, 2020 07:05 PM
quote: Originally posted by Randall: Great poll! There's a chance an acquittal vote could take place late tomorrow.
It could happen tomorrow. But, I think Shyster Schumer is going to try to introduce a long, long, long list of Amendments to the impeachment proceedings. They will all fail but delay the final vote. That makes Joe 'Plugs' Biden happy but leaves Klobuchar, Warren and Bernie The Commie stuck in Washington instead of campaigning in Iowa. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 124358 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 30, 2020 10:13 PM
Yeah, Schumer probably will. What is the point? That guy is a waste of oxygen. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 14254 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 30, 2020 11:44 PM
"That guy is a waste of oxygen."No disagreement from me! IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 124358 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 31, 2020 05:26 PM
Waiting for that vote on witnesses.IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 124358 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 31, 2020 05:36 PM
This is exciting!IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 124358 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 31, 2020 05:49 PM
The vote was 51 to 49 no witnesses. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 124358 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 31, 2020 06:30 PM
It looks like it's the weekend off and then a couple of days for people to tell why they voted, with a vote of acquittal on Wednesday, but who knows what Schumer will do? IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 14254 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 31, 2020 06:30 PM
quote: Originally posted by Randall: The vote was 51 to 49 no witnesses.
No 'New' witnesses. House managers introduced 13 witnesses from their impeachment inquiry. They showed video clips of their testimony in front of the House Intelligence Committee and used their words in harangues in the Senate trial. If House demokrats wanted more witnesses, they should have called them to testify in House proceedings. The usual suspects, Susan Collins and Mitt Romney voted with demokrats for more witnesses. IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 13857 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 31, 2020 06:34 PM
The GOP are truly pathetic sell-outs. Only Romney and Collins were willing to do the right thing. Sadly, I'm not at all surprised. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 14254 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 31, 2020 06:39 PM
quote: Originally posted by teasel: The GOP are truly pathetic sell-outs. Only Romney and Collins were willing to do the right thing. Sadly, I'm not at all surprised.
Do the right thing? The minute those defective articles of impeachment landed in the US Senate...and trial began, the 'right thing' to do would have been to call a vote to dismiss them. IP: Logged |