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vansio
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posted February 21, 2020 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
off the bat, I’m born Canadian, naturalized American citizen, who has also resided in Germany (at the height of “the refugee crisis”) for many years. Raised and educated in the States, more pertinently the Deep South, since I was a very small child. Paid taxes, explored the socioeconomic system and political climate, even had healthcare, first hand in a few democratic countries, additionally those without two-party systems.

By and large, am a Democratic-Socialist. Our income taxes and social security should be just that—invested in our country’s inland infrastructure and comprehensive social programs—point blank. It’s not that big of a deal.
http://www.dsausa.org/ http://www.warresisters.org/sites/default/files/fy2020pie_chart-hi_resb.pdf

I can assure you from experience, as individual citizens we pay more here in America for way less benefits because of our privatized debt-based economic system. For the richest country in the world, filled by educated financially-invested people, our citizens live like indentured servants. Very creepy to me.

No one should take on debt for needing insulin, leukemia treatment or a life-saving surgery. Don’t get me started on preventive care. Cost of procedures and medical-products are grossly exaggerated and "completely unwarranted for any clinical reason." http://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/072116/us-h ealthcare-costs-compared-other-countries.asp this must be corrected, universal healthcare or not.

Bernie doesn’t pander to political theatre, his arguments are unemotional. The rest do, especially Elizabeth Waren—rhetorically, psychologically manipulative—to get a reaction. He has proven himself repeatedly and unwavering a genuine public servant, with a true cause. My IC is in Virgo—I get it. Servant-leadership as my Virgo mom says often about her own work ethic.

Perhaps Bernies Gemini Jupiter will unite the People.

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My mom got into a scary car accident a few years back. Naturally she still needed to take the ambulance a few miles away to the hospital just to make sure everything was ok despite no visible harm, not a scratch. From what I recall, that ambulance ride was billed at $1500, the whole hospital one-time-on-the-safe-side-check-up was $60,000 (MRI, CT SCAN, etc).

People needing to create GoFundMe because of life-threatening medical illnesses is SHAMEFUL

Riddle me this, how much does someone’s annual income need to be to pay “$60k” worth of “taxes” in America that fiscal year? Give or take a $300k salary. Better call an Uber

According to the current debt system, guess we’re all millionaires

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juniperb
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posted February 21, 2020 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Inmho, it boils down to what Dems want; a socialist or progressive. (I've omitted the old boys club)

Unfortunately, that is whats being offered.

So, would I prefer one over the other. Heck no, but....

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posted February 21, 2020 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sounds like its gonna be a tough choice for your Juni, I dont think dems know what they want

I for instance developing my career under a hard capitalist system would benefit from staying in this system, but I also see that sanders policies would benefit the group possibly better.


I think I am experiencing a lot of ambivalance, I do like some of Trumps policies but I don't like the way hes thrasing democracy and the constitution, and I do believe the chance of a dictatorship is high now.

On the other hand Sanders who I think is the most likely to be able to win, is too socialist, open borders is a ludicrous policy, it shows that in certain ways he lacks sense. Very few people in this country want open borders.

Do we need better safety nets and to wipe out the scourge of medical bankruptcy? yes. Does this need to knee cap our economy? I dont think so

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vansio
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posted February 21, 2020 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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juniperb
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posted February 21, 2020 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Im with you Blue. My ambivalance swings between capitalism, the constitution, this dictatorship and the crippling debt of medicine/big pharma/medical and education costs.


I dont want a nanny country but not a dictatorship either.

Pick my poison ey :

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posted February 21, 2020 09:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Vansio i agree, it feels like a serfdom here, except the kings and queens are rather hidden rather than out in the open...

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posted February 23, 2020 01:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I actually like Amy Klobuchar. I think she is poised, smart and pragmatic. But I don't think the country is ready for her.

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mirage29
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posted February 23, 2020 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Belage, I know what you mean.
I like Amy Klobuchar's spirit and personality.
It would be quite healing to have such a person holding that Office.

We need Peace, and Kindness and Honor to be an Elevated Choice, once again.

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posted February 23, 2020 12:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mirage29:
^ Belage, I know what you mean.
I like Amy Klobuchar's spirit and personality.
It would be quite healing to have such a person holding that Office.

We need Peace, and Kindness and Honor to be an Elevated Choice, once again.


Yep. I am so tired of the current gunslingers. I find Amy to be refreshing but in the current ultra polarized climate, she doesn't stand a chance.

Judging by the chart you posted of her in a previous post, I see she is currently going through a Saturn Return. I wonder how this will play out for her in her presidential quest, but I suspect she will become better known and appreciated in the coming years.

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posted February 23, 2020 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Klobs embodies both pragmatism and levity.

I agree we're not ready for her, someone like her will come in when we're done going nuts for a while to clean up the mess the boys made.

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posted February 23, 2020 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Belage:
I actually like Amy Klobuchar. I think she is poised, smart and pragmatic. But I don't think the country is ready for her.

I like her too, but Warren is my first choice. I prefer both women, over the other candidates actually.

I tried to post something earlier, from my phone, but I walked out the store with wifi, and for some reason, my cell data can no longer connect to LL.

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posted February 24, 2020 09:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by juniperb:
Im with you Blue. My ambivalance swings between capitalism, the constitution, this dictatorship and the crippling debt of medicine/big pharma/medical and education costs.


I dont want a nanny country but not a dictatorship either.

Pick my poison ey :


You know you dont have a choice here.

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posted February 24, 2020 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Warren would be a great president, id take her over bernie in a second, and this is a common debate going, i think theres still too much sexism to risk putting a woman against trump. Controversial I know but its what I think. none of me female friends like this line of reasoning.

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posted February 24, 2020 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Linking your other thread on Dem VP Picks.
(2020 Election)
- http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum26/HTML/004628.html

Impeachment thread
- http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum26/HTML/004548.html

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posted February 24, 2020 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree Blue. Sexism is still alive and well .
Too many would balk and assure the don stays sitting in his bubble world.

Shura, just go vote

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posted February 24, 2020 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fauxahontus is already topped out by the Peter Principle. She reached her zenith with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau which came close to shutting down the banking system in the US. She did manage to severely damage the Regional Banking system, making it almost impossible for small and medium sized businesses to get business loans.

Just so you know, small and medium businesses account for about 75% of new job creation in America.

Lately, Warren has been screwing up the US Senate. Now, Fauxahontus wants to screw up the Office of President.

Warning:
Don't hold your breath.

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posted February 24, 2020 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Everyone should vote, voting should be made easier and more accessible. It should be standardized across states and be completely analog. Purging voter rolls and other forms of voter suppression should be done away with. We need democracy.


My female friends really dont like hearing me says that I voted for bernie because I worry about sexism in swing states, but I feel this is reality. I think this hits them really hard and makes them feel less than and angry, which I tottally get. Not sure what to say about that except that I think the biggest issue now is Trump rampage on democracy and the consitution, after that is dealt with we can move onto sexism in government.

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posted February 24, 2020 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:
Everyone should vote, voting should be made easier and more accessible. It should be standardized across states and be completely analog. Purging voter rolls and other forms of voter suppression should be done away with. We need democracy.


My female friends really dont like hearing me says that I voted for bernie because I worry about sexism in swing states, but I feel this is reality. I think this hits them really hard and makes them feel less than and angry, which I tottally get. Not sure what to say about that except that I think the biggest issue now is Trump rampage on democracy and the consitution, after that is dealt with we can move onto sexism in government.


I get it. You might personally be fine with a woman as president, but there are others who aren't (some of them are women, unfortunately).

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posted February 24, 2020 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Everyone should vote, voting should be made easier and more accessible. It should be standardized across states and be completely analog. Purging voter rolls and other forms of voter suppression should be done away with. We need democracy.

My female friends really dont like hearing me says that I voted for bernie because I worry about sexism in swing states, but I feel this is reality. I think this hits them really hard and makes them feel less than and angry, which I tottally get. Not sure what to say about that except that I think the biggest issue now is Trump rampage on democracy and the consitution, after that is dealt with we can move onto sexism in government.


You really are clueless aren't you!

Voter rolls are purged because some on those rolls are deceased. An important voting block for demorats are the dead but live demorats vote in the dead person's name..and again in their own names.

Voter rolls are also purged because former residents of the state have moved out of state..AND ARE NO LONGER ELIGIBLE TO VOTE IN THAT STATE'S ELECTIONS. But since they're still on the voter rolls, democrats use their names and vote...in their names and in their own name.

Demorats don't want fair elections because they know they will lose.

As for Trump trampling the Constitution, name just one Constitutional provision President Trump has violated. I'm giving you this chance because you've repeated this bullshiiite more than once.

One more thing.
The United States is a REPUBLIC, not a democracy. Nor is the United States a democratic republic. If there are some who think something must be added to the word Republic when describing the legal form of government of the United States, then call the US a Constitutional Republic.

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posted February 24, 2020 09:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On Election Day, tr. NN is conjunct Bernie’s Jupiter and Trump’s own NN (also midpoint between his Sun-Uranus conjunction)

Fascinating nodal contact between them. Suppose to “teach” him something?


http://www.starsoverwashington.com/?m=1

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posted February 25, 2020 12:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not just fine teasel, Id prefer it.

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posted February 25, 2020 10:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by vansio:
On Election Day, tr. NN is conjunct Bernie’s Jupiter and Trump’s own NN (also midpoint between his Sun-Uranus conjunction)

Fascinating nodal contact between them. Suppose to “teach” him something?


Sanders' Jupiter conjunct Trump's NN and incidentally Trump's Sun, could bolster the argument that Bernie will "benefit" Trump.

After all, around that time, Trump will be undergoing a nodal return. Remember, Trump has sun conjunct NN, which is an uber powerful astrological position to have.

The only monkey wrench in that rosy scenario for Trump is that transit Neptune in Pisces is making not so nice aspect to his Gemini/Sagg nodes, which may confuse or "dissolve" matters for him.

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posted February 25, 2020 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Whats your prediction belage?

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posted February 25, 2020 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You don't need a crystal ball to predict this outcome.

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posted February 25, 2020 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Both bernie and Trump die of heart attacks and Mylee Cyrus becomes prez

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