posted February 20, 2020 02:59 PM            

Warren stood out for landing the sharpest blows against him. The debate had barely started when she said one candidate is a "billionaire who calls women fat broads and horse-faced lesbians and, no, I'm not talking about Donald Trump, I'm talking about Mayor Bloomberg." With her hoarse voice and scolding manner, she was every mean old lady that children learn to fear.

Bloomberg was generally out of his league in the jostle and thrust of a debate. He's used to the boardroom, a place in which everyone falls silent when he speaks. He came across as condescending and disconnected, although he showed a modicum of common sense and hit hard on the fact that he was the only person there with managerial experience.

Bloomberg's best moments came in attacks against Bernie. He called Bernie a hypocrite for attacking the wealthy when he's a multimillionaire who owns three homes. Bernie, wisely, bobbed just a little, taking the punch and then deflecting it. Bloomberg could have done more but lacked the debating skills. Bloomberg also called Bernie's plans "communism," which Bernie called a "cheap shot."

Bernie, as always, was the angry old man. He reiterated his usual points: socialized medicine; a hugely exaggerated number of medical bankruptcies; the wonders of Denmark; the horror of billionaires (he no longer mentions millionaires now that he's one, too); the evil of students stuck with loans they voluntarily assumed; and the need for a command-and-control economy to fight climate change.

Bernie's best moment as a debater was when he deflected remarks about his hanging onto his medical records by slipping in the fact that Bloomberg has also had heart problems. The net effect, though, was to emphasize that the two putative Democrat frontrunners are sick old men.

Poor Biden. Obama has practically disavowed him, but Biden is still clinging desperately to his coattails. Biden gyrated between dormancy and spitting defenses of his record ("I'm the guy..."). He's only marginally articulate most of the time, and, as the evening wore on and fatigue caught up with the old guy, he stopped making sense.

Buttigieg is just a bundle of smug. He's the smart-ass teacher's pet no one likes. He delivered his canned, mostly meaningless homilies with knowing little grins, although occasionally he landed a few blows. He picked too many silly arguments, such as trying to denigrate Klobuchar for forgetting Mexican president López Obrador's name. It was like seeing the kid who thinks he's the smartest in the class argue with his rival whether it's a hard "c" or a soft one in the phrase "veni, vidi, vici."

And what was it with that unshaven upper lip? Was he trying to look older, or did he forget to shave? Ick.

Klobuchar is a non-entity who desperately wants to be an entity. There's a vacuum where her personality should be, and she tries to fill it by boasting about her Minnesota election successes and her having voted on multiple bills in Congress. She comes across as the PTA leader who does all the work because nobody likes her and she's so desperate for even fake friendship that she's willing to be the general dogsbody.

Not a single person on the stage is a leader or a statesman. Without exception, they are small people, and that's true with or without standing on boxes. There's something almost tragic about the fact that the essence of the Democrat Party — the oldest continuously existing political party in the world — has been reduced to these six uninspiring, unqualified people.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/02/the_democrats_personalities_were_exposed_in_nevada_and_it_wasnt_pretty.html

posted February 20, 2020 06:24 PM            

I only have til next month to our primary and I am still pondering my decision.

When I decide, I will answer .

posted February 20, 2020 06:30 PM            

I was curious to know if Trump didn't exist and it was just these people running who you would pick and why

I don't know if Obama will give his endorsement to bernie, my guess is yes

posted February 20, 2020 06:31 PM            

I know you like Bernie!

* Senator Bernie Sanders
- http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Sanders,_Bernie
With Bernie, he's definitely a cool guy!!
I love his energy. He's strong. He knows what he's talking about.
He has LOTS of experience in Government.

Has a Mars in Aries, and Moon Aries.
Transiting Mars will visit ARIES from e.o. June 2020 through January 2021. His Mars 23+ Aries conjuncts transiting slow-moving Eris, in square to Pluto.
He would be having his Venus Libra Return around November's election.
(song) *This Man is On Fire!!*

But! so is the demonstration of violence breaking out in his meetings? (Reminiscent of Trumpist followers)

Maybe it's an effect of Mars in his chart?
Pluto square his Mars with Eris transit?

For the first time (in Las Vegas democratic debate the other night) I more clearly heard a piece of his plan for paying for the Medicare for All--
It eliminates the middle-man, which would save money, in implementing his plan.

` Medicare for All? -- my *concern*
What I'm worried about (or rather, "unknowledgeable about")?
My 'imagination' is that this health-plan would turn The USA health system into a giant HMO-type of cold impersonal 'unknown-strangers' type of "Clinic for All"?

The computer replaces the doctor's input.
Your electronic records get passed-on from human computer-operator to human computer-operator.
You don't know 'which' human you'll see at "assigned clinic" by zipcode.
Zip codes matter, and quality of care varies?

(It's an Aquarian type of system and detached?)

I would want "Gerontology" to get more attention, development, and focus in the future... especially since our medical data records were basically lost with crossover into electronic records.
People of (our) age are at a disadvantage with that.
A lifetime of lost/dropped data.

* Vice President and Senator Joe Biden.
- http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Biden,_Joe
He has THE MOST experience,
having been Vice President under President Obama for two terms.
He has a LONG career as a successful and dedicated Senator who's reputation includes skill in an ability to reach across-the-aisle in his political relationships.

He would be the more-palatable (known, predictable and 'trusted') choice for any Republican who might want to swing their vote temporarily to the other side for one election cycle?

We need to regain the "Balance of Powers" in government again.

Our Unique form of "Group-Government" is a vulnerable one-- which requires cooperation and respect for The Rule of Law, and the stability provided by system of checks and balances that our founders wisely created.
.. They established this country's form of self-governing, depending on healthy functioning of 3 co-equal branches of government-- that these operate in-line with, and according to, The Constitution.

ALSO, with responsibility to Conscience.

It's a Government for ALL of the people.
Powers are a bit OFF-kilter right now.

Joe has proven-experience and a kinesthetic/gut-sense for how our form of Government (Democratic and Republican) works and varies with trends-- after ~58 years of having Served 'The Original' plan.

He would be the more stable and "conservative" choice for either Democrats or existing Republicans.

* Senator Elizabeth Warren
- http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Warren,_Elizabeth
.. She's a spit-fire. Love her.
Clearly keenly-intelligent and extremely knowledgeable, she also has well-established experience in government.
It's my impression that she strives to meticulously get to know the various people-group needs--
Including having earned the respect of the Indigenous population and their needs also.

I loved how she wasn't afraid to speak-up FOR Amy Klobuchar the other night.

* Senator Amy Klobuchar
- http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Klobuchar,_Amy
She grabbed my interest during the Senate Supreme Court Kavanaugh hearings. I noticed that she handled herself well. From that point, I noticed her and paid attention during the Impeachment hearings.
Yes, she HAS sensitivity-- and I LIKE that about her.
She is intelligent not only with her head, but with her Heart. She's kind, and calm.

* Mike Bloomberg
- http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Bloomberg,_Mike
He's a "newcomer" to the democratic scene.
I still need time to observe and form an opinion on him.

I was impressed at the way he was able to field the Stop-n-Frisk fiasco. I 'understand' how when you are running a massive company/govtJob, that you must depend on the people/employees below (in the ranks) to DO the right thing.
According to what I heard,
he stepped-in to 'correct' some of the over-zealous errors in behaviors of members of law enforcement.
I have an appreciation of how massive an effort that would have been to control what was happening, and to contain and correct.
He has a lot of his ads showing a relationship with Obama. I think that is a plus-- as though he has Obama's endorsement?
At least, that is the impression?
I like his philanthropic support shown.

* Mayor Pete Buttigieg
- http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Buttigieg,_Pete
He's smart, he seems to operate on a persistent even-keel. I was glad to see that he had showed genuine emotions over something social that had happened earlier in his run.
Seems to be a kind person.
He doesn't have as much experience as the other candidates-- but, I think he could handle the job.

Has a JF Kennedy type of overtone.

So--- those are my impressions at this time.

posted February 20, 2020 06:36 PM            

Part of the reason I bet on him is due to the preponderance of aries in his chart, he seems like he can mow over anything

I agree with all your assessments above, I think we are seeing the people in a similar light, although yours less critical and more forgiving

posted February 20, 2020 06:40 PM            

So, that was my conclusion to pray a lot, vote, and hold my nose.

posted February 20, 2020 06:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
A better way to ask that question is who do I want to see go up against President Trump? Each one would have its own delights to watch. President Trump would shame Bloomberg on the debate stage so badly that it would be like an assault. I think President Trump would have fun with Warren, Biden, Mayor Pete, or Bernie--all for different reasons. So, I'm not sure which one I would choose.

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I was going to ask you BR's question, too - but without you stating who you would want to run against Trump. Just who would you choose from this group?

posted February 20, 2020 09:32 PM            

Not saying anyone is uninformed but.... Time to bone up and flesh it out

posted February 20, 2020 10:08 PM            

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I'm done with super delegates and the electoral college.

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I agree.

Look at what happened in the last election. WE "The People" had voted overwhelmingly for a different candidate.

However, the "free will" choice for president was overturned. That's because it's the tiny group of Electoral College members that gets to VOTE for the president.

After the last election, I happened to notice that some of the members of the electoral group had NOT voted the way of the people they represented. Individuals had gone rogue.

I think I had seen later that those individuals did not suffer 'consequences' for their rebellion.

Instead, a {?retroactive?} change of rules gave the allowance for any electoral-college member to vote for WHOMEVER they pleased. They are not compelled to vote the will of the people anymore.

I think that opens the door for those individuals to be approached and their vote 'bought-off'-- They can be influenced by bribes, threats to their life, property, livelihoods, (their families), in order to coerce their vote?

The "popular" vote should be harder to knowingly-manipulate in that way. -- Although I have heard stories of frauds who convince people that they are there to collect the tiny community's votes FOR them, then turn them in, as a service.

The Vote .. belongs to The People.

posted February 21, 2020 12:28 AM            

"Not saying anyone is uninformed but.... Time to bone up and flesh it out"