posted March 31, 2020 10:07 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
NO it was approved today for USE, companies have donated between 30 to 40 million doses for it already and he was criticized already for that too bc they are saying that is not ENOUGH but is a good start, is something to work with.

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Ask yourself, when was the last time the FDA has approved a drug without it having it go through clinical trials? Is it because that drug is the seventh wonder of the world?

posted March 31, 2020 11:06 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I've seen a couple of articles against Cuomo today. I haven't read them, but they were warning against him.

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Yes. He is getting not-so-positive press from the following papers that can hardly be accused of being Trump supporters/apologists:

The Nation:
Cuomo Helped Get New York Into This Mess
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/covid-ny-hospital-medicaid/

Columbia Journalism Review:
Glowing coverage of Cuomo also raises difficult questions
https://www.cjr.org/analysis/andrew-cuomo-coronavirus-covid19-barkan.php

In other words, the media is not a monolith. There is pro-Trump media, anti-Trump media, republican biased media, democrat biased media, other biased media, media that is in neither camp and is attempting to rise above the fray.

There is media for every opinion and political stripe. Seek and Ye shall find. And when Ye find, factcheck as much as possible.

posted March 31, 2020 05:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by hypatia238:
[b] NO it was approved today for USE, companies have donated between 30 to 40 million doses for it already and he was criticized already for that too bc they are saying that is not ENOUGH but is a good start, is something to work with.

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Ask yourself, when was the last time the FDA has approved a drug without it having it go through clinical trials? Is it because that drug is the seventh wonder of the world?

No. We are going through exceptional circumstances, and the FDA is taking a calculated risk by approving the drug, hoping the benefits will outweigh the risks. This is a medical gamble.

Again, this calls for cautious optimism, not glowing promotion. Basically we are keeping our fingers crossed this drug will save way more people than it kills.
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posted March 31, 2020 08:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:

I stand corrected. I do see that the FDA has given its okay TODAY (17 hours ago) for its widespread use.

Ask yourself, when was the last time the FDA has approved a drug without it having it go through clinical trials? Is it because that drug is the seventh wonder of the world?

No. We are going through exceptional circumstances, and the FDA is taking a calculated risk by approving the drug, hoping the benefits will outweigh the risks. This is a medical gamble.

Again, this calls for cautious optimism, not glowing promotion. Basically we are keeping our fingers crossed this drug will save way more people than it kills.

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This. 100%

I took hydrochloroquinine (or Plaquenil, which is one of its trade names) for several years for autoimmune issues. It is an anti-malaria drug that is used cautiously for a reason. While taking this drug, I had to have eye exams every 6 months to make sure that my retinas were not being affected. (It can cause retinal detachment, suddenly and without warning.) It also causes awful indigestion, diarrhea, nausea, lack of appetite, and horrendous nightmares. Not to mention, that if you're on any antibiotic long enough, it disrupts the natural flora in your stomach and that alone can cause some serious stomach problems, including infections.

posted March 31, 2020 09:13 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
^^ I have a friend who takes it, and received a letter about a national shortage. She posted it to facebook, in the past few days.

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Your friend and I likely have the same autoimmune condition. Plaquenil unfortunately stopped working for me about a year ago, and I had to switch to a low dose chemotherapy drug.

posted March 31, 2020 09:44 PM            

"Please please please watch this clip tonight.

posted March 31, 2020 10:21 PM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
This. 100%

I took hydrochloroquinine (or Plaquenil, which is one of its trade names) for several years for autoimmune issues. It is an anti-malaria drug that is used cautiously for a reason. While taking this drug, I had to have eye exams every 6 months to make sure that my retinas were not being affected. (It can cause retinal detachment, suddenly and without warning.) It also causes awful indigestion, diarrhea, nausea, lack of appetite, and horrendous nightmares. Not to mention, that if you're on any antibiotic long enough, it disrupts the natural flora in your stomach and that alone can cause some serious stomach problems, including infections.

Definitely not a drug that should be handed out to the masses, but instead utilized in specific clinical situations in which the benefits far outweigh any potential side effects. Where I'm at currently, it's not being prescribed as a prophylactic and when it is prescribed for an active COVID-19 infection, it is thoughtfully and conservatively done. You also have to take into account that there are many, many Americans living with autoimmune conditions who require this drug to stay alive. We can't deplete our stockpile or deprive them of their meds just because it "might" help with COVID-19.

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That drug cannot be used long term and doctors know this, its risky LONG TERM but it can used short term for the coronavirus relatively safely but still doctors have to check for other drugs person may be taking and any underlying health conditions.

Any big pharma drug always has a bunch of side effects and issues that come with it and doctors always have to be super careful when prescribing anything and keep in mind how it interacts with others drugs the person is taking and also health issues they may have

So this does not warrant criticizing him for doing what needed to done. Regardless who the president is he did what needed to be done but bc is him he must be criticized lol its just adsorb.

If I end up in the hospital I would prefer to take this drug than die, that is the bottom line. Is a solution and will help a significant portion of people and this is good.

That aside, I am very concern you have an autoimmune health issue and you are working at a hospital right now!

posted March 31, 2020 10:30 PM            

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Originally posted by PhoenixRising:
YEs, this synthetic virus acts like bacteria/parasite and hence this drug could work. In some people though, this virus can be more dangerous,

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That needs to be screened out carefully, like quite frankly all big pharma drugs should be anyways, so many people die yearly for many decades bc of doctors prescribing medications that should not be going together or having an adverse reaction to a medication. Its a big issue but is not a new issue.

posted March 31, 2020 10:43 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
That needs to be screened out carefully, like quite frankly all big pharma drugs should be anyways, so many people die yearly for many decades bc of doctors prescribing medications that should not be going together or having an adverse reaction to a medication. Its a big issue but is not a new issue.

It will be so annoying if Trump gets blamed for this, OMG that would be so annoying bc this has been an issue for decades!

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posted March 31, 2020 10:44 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I agree, but during this times something like this regardless is really good news and he is right to feel optimistic and hopeful under the circumstances and he is right for removing red tape so this thing can be prescribed as doctors are already prescribing it anyways to save lives. He should NOT be criticized for that, is biased poor journalism, it is.

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I don't think most people are against removing the red tape. I think most people, of which I am, are troubled by the overly enthusiastic endorsement of a drug that has not gone through clinical trials.

posted March 31, 2020 10:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
@ Stubborn Virgo, I second Hypathia's concern about you working in hospitals at these times of coronavirus with an autoimmune disorder. Have you thought about requesting a leave of absence to protect yourself?

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posted March 31, 2020 10:57 PM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
I had a long, in-depth discussion with my provider recently about this. I could go into details, but I would rather not. I'm opting to stay in the fight for now. If things get worse later on, I may decide to apply for FMLA. That's not in my plans right now, though.

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posted March 31, 2020 11:02 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
That drug cannot be used long term and doctors know this, its risky LONG TERM but it can used short term for the coronavirus relatively safely but still doctors have to check for other drugs person may be taking and any underlying health conditions.

Any big pharma drug always has a bunch of side effects and issues that come with it and doctors always have to be super careful when prescribing anything and keep in mind how it interacts with others drugs the person is taking and also health issues they may have

So this does not warrant criticizing him for doing what needed to done. Regardless who the president is he did what needed to be done but bc is him he must be criticized lol its just adsorb.

If I end up in the hospital I would prefer to take this drug than die, that is the bottom line. Is a solution and will help a significant portion of people and this is good.

That aside, I am very concern you have an autoimmune health issue and you are working at a hospital right now!

Side story, one of my dogs I got in the dominican republic when I was visiting my grandparents, I felt in love with her, I took her to the vet in Santiago and she had three issues and one was DISTEMPER, vet told me she was going to die and I started crying and crying...my mother who is a doctor had a friend in Santo Domingo who is a vet. We take our Moca there and she tells us there is an experimental drug in Puerto Rico that cures Distemper with an 80% success rate, I went for it and it saved her life, after a few months I was able to get permission to bring her to the USA with me. The preliminary research indicates this drug will have a high success rate, even if it ends up been as low as 80% that is great news.

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I'm not criticizing him, believe it or not. I understand what he is trying to do. I just know, for certain, that no drug is "safe" and all of them carry potentially dangerous side effects. It is something that should be left up to the patient and their doctor to decide. We should also not ravage our stockpiles of this drug and deprive others of their life-saving medication that we DEFINITELY know that they need. We have to be conservative or we will run out, plain and simple.

posted March 31, 2020 11:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Ok. Do good, but don't be a hero/heroine though. Your life is precious too.

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posted March 31, 2020 11:05 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
The thing is, he's the one that's supposed to set an example for the rest of us, and he was talking about things, before they were confirmed. Look how worried Kannon was, with the other thread, concerned about who might be reading, and taking away the wrong information. Trump is on a whole other level. People still go on about the Clintons, they get the blame for things that were not their fault, but people will happily blame them anyway. Trump keeps going against his advisors, only to give in on certain things, like extending the "stay home" period. I saw one video where he did avoid calling it the Chinese virus, but he was back at it the next day.

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He was instilling hope at a time that this needs to be instilled and he did it based on research, we dont exactly have time do a long clinical trial when people could be dying for not receiving a drug that can help. Ofcourse doctors always should disclose risks and inform patients drug has not been researched extensively for coronavirus but has been promising so far like the vet told me with my dog and the experimental drug.

posted March 31, 2020 11:07 PM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
I'm not criticizing him, believe it or not. I understand what he is trying to do. I just know, for certain, that no drug is "safe" and all of them carry potentially dangerous side effects. It is something that should be left up to the patient and their doctor to decide. We should also not ravage our stockpiles of this drug and deprive others of their life-saving medication that we DEFINITELY know that they need. We have to be conservative or we will run out, plain and simple.

I've had an autoimmune condition for years. I work with several nurses that also have at least one comorbidity. That doesn't stop us from doing our jobs. As long as I have the right PPE, I will keep battling on.

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