posted March 31, 2020 11:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
I don't think most people are against removing the red tape. I think most people, of which I am, are troubled by the overly enthusiastic endorsement of a drug that has not gone through clinical trials.

People are entitled to their opinions. Do you understand that? Is it okay with you that people have a differing opinion of Trump's style than you do?

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Yes I do understand that, I am just pointing out that he is been criticized for been optimistic during a time of crisis. Glad you agree on him removing the red tape at least.

posted March 31, 2020 11:21 PM            

I feel intention and the concern behind what someone says is extremely important and should not be separated with what is been said and needs to be kept in mind always.

posted March 31, 2020 11:43 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I saw one video where he did avoid calling it the Chinese virus, but he was back at it the next day.

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Why can we call a Spade a Spade? The virus started in China and quite frankly we don't know for sure if it was an accident or on purpose but we know it started in China.

If the virus started in the US and they called it the USA virus nobody would care. Is like is illegal to say the truth or think these days and that is yet another reason why people voted for him bc people are tired of political correctness and how far this is getting specially in Europe. I mean we can call it the China Virus really? like people have an issue with this, then it proves the point that political correctness has gone toooo far.

I dont see what the big deal is with him calling it the China Virus, I see it as a big deal that this country is so divided bc of HIM, that is more disturbing to me

I had an intern at my job say last year that she stopped talking to her own father bc he voted for Trump. That really disturbs me.

My concern is the hate, I get he isn't this super charming likable guy, I don't support him bc I find him likable, I mean he looks orange! I dont think he is someone you want to go and give a big hug to. I don't expect people to vote for him if your political views are not in line with his views, I really don't but if he does something right give him credit and don't hate the guy, this hate on a mass level I dont think is good for anyone and I can understand DISLIKE but I don't feel he deserves HATE.

Why does he have so much power over people, he is triggering people but at the end of the day people are letting themselves be triggered by what he says so they are giving him power over them. A lot of people find it funny the things he says yet others get really triggered and the people that laugh they laugh bc they are not taking it so seriously bc is not that serious. I learned today he was calling the coronavirus the China Virus and I laughed and I didn't think OMG how could he say that. There is this growing hypervigilence around language that feels excessive to me, people are reacting this and they are willing to vote someone unlikable to stop this from growing.

Is interesting different reactions we have towards his personality.

posted March 31, 2020 11:43 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Yes I do understand that, I am just pointing out that he is been criticized for been optimistic during a time of crisis. Glad you agree on him removing the red tape at least.

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posted March 31, 2020 11:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:

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I do agree that we need optimism right now, but too much of it can also be premature and glib. I am aware that Trump often can't help it, and that it is his way of rallying people. [/QUOTE]

I respect your ability to analyze things objectively and in a detached way, I recognize you are more level headed than me when it comes to talking about politics I admire the hell out of that, I can really use some of that!

I think mercury in the 9th with SUN ruling my 9th and both opposing my MOON makes it hard for me to not get emotional about politics. I admire tremendously how level headed you are!

You could be in politics or running debates!

posted March 31, 2020 11:48 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Belage remember in my thread about Coronavirus how you expressed something that triggered some people and I felt you were super misunderstood and I kept defending you multiple times and trying to clear up for people were you were coming from and your intentions behind what you said and your concerns behind what you said, that is exactly what happens to me with Trump.

I feel intention and the concern behind what someone says is extremely important and should not be separated with what is been said and needs to be kept in mind always.

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Thank you for explaining my thoughts and defending me. I appreciated it then and I appreciate it now.

posted March 31, 2020 11:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by hypatia238:
[b]Belage remember in my thread about Coronavirus how you expressed something that triggered some people and I felt you were super misunderstood and I kept defending you multiple times and trying to clear up for people were you were coming from and your intentions behind what you said and your concerns behind what you said, that is exactly what happens to me with Trump.

I feel intention and the concern behind what someone says is extremely important and should not be separated with what is been said and needs to be kept in mind always.

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Thank you for explaining my thoughts and defending me. I appreciated it then and I appreciate it now.

I also know that at some point, we have to let people have their opinion. Gotta keep our blood pressure leveled. [/B][/QUOTE]

You are right! I need to practice more detachment with political topics, I am trying to be more detached today LOL

posted March 31, 2020 11:56 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
He was instilling hope at a time that this needs to be instilled and he did it based on research, we dont exactly have time do a long clinical trial when people could be dying for not receiving a drug that can help. Ofcourse doctors always should disclose risks and inform patients drug has not been researched extensively for coronavirus but has been promising so far like the vet told me with my dog and the experimental drug.

He is aware of the risks, he just feels optimistic which is not bad. Hope is crucial in a time of crisis.

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I get it, but look what happened, because he wasn't careful. He's supposed to think these things through, before he says something like that.

posted March 31, 2020 11:58 PM            

One reason it shouldn't just be called "The Chinese virus" is because Asian people are being attacked. I posted something in another thread, about a family (children!) who were stabbed by someone who thought they were spreading the disease. Trump *has* to be careful.

I don't care that he looks orange. I care about what he encourages, and SO much more, but I need to try to sleep.

posted April 01, 2020 07:46 AM            

We have to be careful about what we put out in this world. We put out hate or we support things that promote hatred, we shouldn't be surprised when hate comes back to us.

AIDS when it started, the first known cases at the time started in the US. They didn't call it the American virus.

posted April 01, 2020 08:05 AM            

And the first medical name for AIDS was GRIDS, Gay Related Immune Deficiency Syndrome. The gay lobby put an end to that though, despite it being an accurate description because we wouldnt want to offend anyone with the truth. Better to lose yourself, or even your life, in feel good denial.

Like calling on your citizens to "hug a Chinese" as the Italian mayor did. Or guilting your citizens into attending a Chinese New Year festival in Chinatown as multiple NYC officials did.

NYC and Italy are doing real well now ofc :thumbs up:

posted April 01, 2020 08:10 AM            

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Originally posted by shura:
First case was in Africa.

And the first medical name for AIDS was GRIDS, Gay Related Immune Deficiency Syndrome. The gay lobby put an end to that though, despite it being an accurate description because we wouldnt want to offend anyone with the truth. Better to lose yourself, or even your life, in feel good denial.

Like calling on your citizens to "hug a Chinese" as the Italian mayor did. Or guilting your citizens into attending a Chinese New Year festival in Chinatown as multiple NYC officials did.

NYC and Italy are doing real well now ofc :thumbs up:

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In the first 6 months of the AIDS epidemic, people did not know the first case was in Africa.

posted April 01, 2020 12:35 PM            

Slowdown!
Think!
Revamp every system

posted April 01, 2020 01:02 PM            

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Originally posted by PhoenixRising:
The Ebola virus was called Ebola due to its Origin place. Whats wrong with Wuhan virus?

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I did not know that. Thanks for pointing it out.

So I sleuthed around and discovered: the virus was identified first time in 1976, and it started at first in the bordering towns of n Nzara (Sudan) and Yambuku (Congo/Zaire). The virus is named after the Ebola River, not after the towns or people or country.

Apparently, the scientist who identified the virus, Peter Piot, decided to name it after the river so that the towns would not be associated with the disease's stigma.

posted April 01, 2020 02:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
In my opinion, it should not be called the Chinese virus. that is not its official name. Why not call it its official name? It's not that hard. Why insist on using a word that divides and shames a fourth of the human population? And yes it promotes hatred.

We have to be careful about what we put out in this world. We put out hate or we support things that promote hatred, we shouldn't be surprised when hate comes back to us.

AIDS when it started, the first known cases at the time started in the US. They didn't call it the American virus.

I am happy to see the president exercise some self-restraint and call the virus by its proper name. I happened to watch the last daily briefing he did yesterday, and he was much more poised than usual and surprised me. He exhibited cautious optimism but warned the population that the worst was yet to come. I welcome this evolution and I think we need more of this Trump we saw yesterday.

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posted April 01, 2020 02:08 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:
First case was in Africa.

And the first medical name for AIDS was GRIDS, Gay Related Immune Deficiency Syndrome. The gay lobby put an end to that though, despite it being an accurate description because we wouldnt want to offend anyone with the truth. Better to lose yourself, or even your life, in feel good denial.

Like calling on your citizens to "hug a Chinese" as the Italian mayor did. Or guilting your citizens into attending a Chinese New Year festival in Chinatown as multiple NYC officials did.

NYC and Italy are doing real well now ofc :thumbs up:

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posted April 01, 2020 02:21 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
It wasn't only affecting gay people. It's transmitted to heterosexuals, too, and through blood donations.

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Sure there are outlier examples. Needles, blood donation before we could screen. But these were and remain a small minority. And it's exceedingly rare, really quite difficult, to contract hiv through heterosexual sex. AIDS was and remains largely a disease which affects homosexuals. Pretending otherwise puts that population at increased risk for the sake of short term feels. Denial and delusion always puts people at risk.

People didnt bat an eye over *Lyme* disease, *West Nile* Virus, *German* measles etc

posted April 01, 2020 02:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
In the first 6 months of the AIDS epidemic, people did not know the first case was in Africa.

Even to this day, there is debate as to where the first case originated. But regardless, BACK THEN, in the beginning of the epidemic which was only known to be in the US at the time, nobody called it the AMERICAN virus.

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No. Earliest known case dates to the 50s in a Congolese man. HIV was spreading throughout the world soon after. Famously, a Haitian man living in 1960s NYC and a 1970s Norwegian family. Doctors outside of the US knew something was up, it just took time to isolate and identify the virus.

posted April 01, 2020 03:36 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:

People didnt bat an eye over *Lyme* disease, *West Nile* Virus, *German* measles etc

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Lyme disease is not contagious from human to human, so there is no stigma associated with it.

West Nile virus name originated in 1937.

The term German Measles started back in 1814.

posted April 01, 2020 03:38 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:
No. Earliest known case dates to the 50s in a Congolese man. HIV was spreading throughout the world soon after. Famously, a Haitian man living in 1960s NYC and a 1970s Norwegian family. Doctors outside of the US knew something was up, it just took time to isolate and identify the virus.

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That is all hindsight.

Can you share a link to prove that all this was known in the earliest days of the AIDS epidemic when most of the cases were found in NY?