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posted July 23, 2020 11:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The most dishonest press in the history of the Republic. Their lies, distortions and false stories span all the..so called..news networks and major US..so called..newspapers.

Job approval of the press is now lower than members of Congress and far lower than President Trump's approval numbers.

From the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax to the Impeachment hoax to the current reporting about Covid-19 and most stories in between...like trying to portray looters, arsonists, murderers and insurrectionists in American cities as 'peaceful protesters, their credibility is shot.

They've committed journalist suicide. Rational people disbelieve most of what they read or hear. They've been labeled 'Enemies of the People' and no one is more deserving of that moniker.

At the same time..and for many of the same reasons, the FBI, Justice Dept and Intelligence Agencies are backstroking in the same toilet bowl as the press. They are equally deserving of citizen disbelief and outrage as the US press.

Let's not forget where these latest episodes of false stories and fake news started. They were...the press and government institutions, were trying to exonerate Hillary The Corrupt from her many federal crimes and get her elected President. To accomplish those goals, they, including Hillary The Corrupt..attempted to take Trump down. First, to make sure he wasn't elected. Later, to remove the duly elected President from office.


New FBI Notes Re-Debunk Major NYT Story, Highlight Media Collusion To Produce Russia Hoax

The New York Times in 2017 falsely reported that the Trump campaign had 'repeated' contacts with Russian intelligence officials during the 2016 campaign, and instead of being held accountable for publishing lies, the story's authors received Pulitzer prizes.
By Mollie Hemingway
July 23, 2020


The FBI official who ran the investigation into whether the Donald Trump campaign colluded with Russia to steal the 2016 presidential election privately admitted in newly released notes that a major New York Times article was riddled with lies, falsehoods, and “misleading and inaccurate” information. The February 2017 story was penned by three reporters who would win Pulitzers for their reporting on Trump’s supposed collusion with Russia.

The FBI’s public posture and leaks at the time supported the now-discredited conspiracy theory that led to the formation of a special counsel probe to investigate the Trump campaign and undermine his administration.

“We have not seen evidence of any individuals affiliated with the Trump team in contact with [Russian Intelligence Officials]. . . . We are unaware of ANY Trump advisors engaging in conversations with Russian intelligence officials,” former FBI counterespionage official Peter Strzok wrote of the Feb. 14, 2017 New York Times story “Trump Campaign Aides Had Repeated Contacts With Russian Intelligence.” That story, which was based on the unsubstantiated claims of four anonymous intelligence officials, was echoed by a similarly sourced CNN story published a day later and headlined “Trump aides were in constant touch with senior Russian officials during campaign.”

Strzok’s notes are the latest factual debunking of these stories, which were previously shown to be false with the release of Robert Mueller’s special counsel report finding no evidence whatsoever in support of the Hillary Clinton campaign assertion that Trump affiliates colluded with Russia to steal the 2016 election. A report from the Department of Justice Office of Inspector General on just one aspect of the investigation into Russia collusion — FBI spying on Trump campaign affiliates — also debunked these news reports.

Former FBI Director James Comey admitted under oath in June 2017 that the reporting was “false,” something his deputy director Andrew McCabe privately acknowledged to the White House earlier that year but refused to admit publicly. Efforts by the White House to get the FBI to say publicly what they were admitting privately were leaked to the media in order to suggest the White House was obstructing their investigation. “Obstruction” of the Russia investigation would form a major part of the special counsel probe, and media and Democrat efforts to oust the president.

As for the merits of the explosive New York Times story alleging repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials before the election, Strzok said it was “misleading and inaccurate… no evidence.” Of the unsubstantiated claim that former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort was on the phone calls with Russian intelligence officials, Strzok said, “We are unaware of any calls with any Russian govt official in which Manafort was a party.” And of the New York Times claim that Roger Stone was part of the FBI’s inquiry into Russian ties, Strzok said, “We have not investigated Roger Stone.”

The Times report, which came hours after National Security Advisor Michael Flynn was ousted due to criminal leaks against him, was one of the most important articles published by major media as part of their campaign to paint Trump as a Russian operative. Widely accepted by the media and political establishment, it did as much to cement the false and damaging Russia conspiracy theory as CNN’s story legitimizing the now-discredited Christopher Steele dossier or the Washington Post’s now-discredited suggestion that Flynn was a secret Russian operative who was guilty of violating an obscure 1799 law called the Logan Act.

The New York Times declined to retract or correct the article three years ago, even after Comey testified it was false, on the grounds that the anonymous sources who fed the false information remained pleased with the initial story.

The damage this false story caused the Trump administration can not be underestimated. It’s a story worth recounting here.

Leaks Real, News Fake

“The leaks are real, the news is fake,” President Donald Trump said on February 16, 2017, when ABC News’ Jonathan Karl asked him at a press conference to respond to The New York Times’ explosive report. As other reporters asked more questions related to the New York Times story, he went on to deride the media for writing negative and false stories based on anonymous sources.

The response was roundly mocked by a media class that asserted it was unimaginable that intelligence officials might be leaking anything but the most accurate information. CNN’s Jake Tapper, echoing other Democrat activists, called the press conference “unhinged.”

“I guess I don’t understand,” said CNN’s Jim Acosta, asking, “How can the stories be fake?” Numerous other reporters, presumably all college-educated, publicly claimed to wonder the same thing. The few reporters who were skeptical of the anonymously sourced reports on Russia were also mocked.

If someone associated with an intelligence agency had been granted anonymity to claim without evidence that Donald Trump — Donald Trump — had been a secret Russian agent for decades, or had for some reason paid prostitutes to urinate on a Moscow hotel bed President Obama once slept in, or had arranged clandestine meetings in Prague with top-level Kremlin operatives in a grand dirt-and-dollars-and-election-support scheme, it simply had to be true! Who was to say otherwise? Who was to demand evidence for the absurd conspiracy theory that had, it turned out, been manufactured as part of a Clinton campaign operation?

The response to Trump’s claim that the leaks from anonymous intelligence officials were producing fake news was one of many indicators that U.S. political media would be in no position to think critically or skeptically about whether they were being used by a politically motivated cabal of intelligence officials. The smarter ones might have known they were being used but simply determined they would be more than happy to play an important role in the operation.

Trump was right that the leaks were real but the news was false. Trump campaign aides did not have repeated contacts with Russian intelligence, contrary to what Michael S. Schmidt, Mark Mazzetti, and Matt Apuzzo breathlessly reported. Flynn was not a secret Russian agent. Neither was former Sen. Jeff Sessions.

Published At The Right Moment

The New York Times story was completely false, but the damage it caused the Trump administration was very real.

The false story was published mere hours after intelligence officials had successfully ousted Trump’s National Security Advisor Flynn following weeks of criminal and selectively edited leaks about his benign communications with the Russian ambassador to the United States. CNN “confirmed” the New York Times’ false reporting hours later.

The Wall Street Journal’s Shane Harris and Carol E. Lee reported based on anonymous sources two days later that the CIA was withholding important national information from Trump because of supposedly legitimate concerns over his ties to Russia. Then-CIA Director Mike Pompeo debunked that reporting immediately. The Washington Post openly talked about the “cloud of Russia” hanging over the Trump administration.

Still, the combination of stories and resulting hysteria was enough to lead Trump to hold a press conference in the East Room to address the growing Russia collusion narrative. It was there he described the “real” leak, “fake” news phenomenon he was dealing with.

As a reminder, Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton and the Democratic National Committee had secretly bought and paid for the conspiracy theory to be manufactured, disseminated in the press, and seeded to the U.S. government. It failed to take off as much as they hoped before the election — and yes, contrary to popular reporting, Clinton’s Russia operation was absolutely deployed before the election, and resurrected by the Clinton campaign in the hours after her stunning defeat.

Then corporate media, humiliated by their failure to accurately report on the 2016 campaign, latched onto the conspiracy theory as way to explain away their failure. Obama intelligence officials worked to give credence to the theory by leaking about Russia’s long-standing efforts to meddle in U.S. elections and attempting to insinuate Trump’s collusion with same.

At the time the New York Times story ran, it was received credulously by nearly the entire political and media class and received no meaningful pushback from them. “BREAKING: Minutes ago, NY Times bombshell– Trump campaign officials in contact w/Russian intelligence for full year,” tweeted Michael Moore. “Flynn was the appetizer. This is the meal,” tweeted Washington Post columnist Brian Klaas.

“Yes, this is as bad as it looks,” the Democratic National Committee stated. “If not a smoking gun, this is a very hot pistol,” opined Paul Begala. “The trail linking Trump to Russian interference in the election is getting closer and closer,” wrote Robert Reich. “Way beyond Flynn!” wrote an excited Sen. Amy Klobuchar, asking for support for a bill investigating Trump.

“Big NYT scoop,” bragged New York Times editor Cliff Levy. Slate’s Ashley Feinberg said, “it is [expletive deleted] insane that trump is not being impeached.” Rolling Stone senior writer Jamil Smith said, “This story is a mother[expletive deleted]. We have crossed the Rubicon, folks.” “Whoa,” said Twitter enthusiast Bill Kristol.

“It’s all starting to unravel. This won’t be over soon and we must be relentlessly disciplined in how we discuss it,” said Russia hoaxer Susan Hennessey. “There are some important caveats in NYT story on Russia and Trump. But harder to see how Republicans resist probe,” lobbied Los Angeles Times White House reporter Chris Megerian.

“Holy moly,” said the Los Angeles Times’ Matt Pearce. “Oh wow,” wrote the Washington Post’s Abigail Hauslohner. “Boom,” wrote Der Spiegel’s Matthieu von Rohr. “Words just fail me,” said NPR’s Neela Banerjee. “Blockbuster story has been out 24 hrs & Trump has provided no explanation or refutation. Instead attacks leakers,” said Washington Post-enabled Max Boot. “Siren,” wrote Politico’s Blake Hounshell. “Can’t overstate the importance of a diligent, independent press that protects sources,” wrote Mallory Busch about the anonymously — and erroneously — sourced account.

“This is one of the biggest scandals in American history. Where will it end?” asked American Federation of Teachers union president Randi Weingarten. “Are there any constitutional redresses if the President of the US proves to be the Muscovian Candidate?” asked Foreign Policy senior correspondent Michael Hirsh.

The story was tweeted by Rachel Maddow, lead reporter Michael Schmidt, the New York Times’ Nate Cohn, Times columnist Nicholas Kristof, CNN’s Jake Tapper, Times reporter Jeremy Peters, AP bureau chief Michael Tackett, and rabid Democratic activist and CNN White House correspondent John Harwood,

Democrats pounced. “The need for an independent commission to investigate grows more urgent by the hour. Where is the GOP?,” lobbied Sen. Dick Durbin. “When is enough going to be enough for my GOP colleagues to allow a vote on independent investigation of White House?” asked Rep. Susan Davis. “It’s time for a full, in-depth, bipartisan investigation into the Trump administrations ties to #Russia,” wrote Colorado Democrats. “We need full investigation into connection between
@realDonaldTrump campaign & Russia. Too many unanswered questions,” was a popular refrain from House Democrats such as Ann McLane Kuster.

The comments went on and on and on. Each time the story has been debunked, this received little to no coverage from the same corporate media that trumpeted it.

Fighting the False Story Was Treated As Obstruction

Television news the week The New York Times published it false report was non-stop Russia hysteria. It dominated the Sunday shows. When White House chief of staff Reince Priebus told CBS’ John Dickerson “I think that the media should stop with this unnamed source stuff,” The New York Times’ Maggie Haberman — who would also win a Pulitzer for her perpetuation of the false and dangerous Russia collusion hoax — claimed he was demanding that the media stop using anonymous sources.

When the New York Times story came out, FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe asked to speak privately with Priebus, according to reporting in Howard Kurtz’s book “Media Madness.” McCabe told Priebus that “everything” in the story was “bulls–t.” Priebus motioned to the bank of televisions showing that the media was taking it seriously and talking about it non-stop. He asked McCabe if he could say something publicly to push back. McCabe said he’d check with his colleagues and get back to him.

McCabe called back to say he couldn’t do anything. Comey also called Priebus to claim there was nothing they could say publicly. (McCabe admitted in his book “The Threat: How the FBI Protects America in the Age of Terror and Trump,” that he declined to say publicly that the report was false.)

What the FBI was willing to do, however, was leak to CNN that the “FBI refused White House request to knock down recent Trump-Russia stories.” That report made it seem like the reporting from The New York Times was legitimate and that the White House was obstructing a legitimate investigation, which, again, became a major theme of the Mueller investigation and attempts to impeach the president.

Comey did offer to brief congressmen and senators that the New York Times report was completely false. When those members said publicly that the New York Times report was false, that too was characterized as something nefarious.

“Trump administration sought to enlist intelligence officials, key lawmakers to counter Russia stories,” was how the Washington Post’s Greg Miller spun that effort. Miller noted that the FBI declined to comment on whether they had told the White House that the New York Times story was completely false. Miller would also win a Pulitzer for his role in perpetuating the Russia collusion hoax.

In his book, McCabe said there was a disinformation campaign in the conservative blogosphere to suggest he had animus toward the president and had gleefully pursued Flynn, both of which he claimed were false. Of the reports, he said, “The stories may be fictional and the information false, but the consequences of this strategy are real.”

Whether or not McCabe’s denials are plausible, how much more powerful is the strategy when it’s not unread blogs but the most powerful media outlets in the world that are willing to spread fictional and false information.

http://thefederalist.com/2020/07/23/new-fbi-notes-re-debunk-major-nyt-story-highlight-media-collusion-to-produce-russia-hoax/

And now, you know why President Trump was and still is furious at former Attorney General Jeff Sessions. Sessions recused himself from any activities related to the Russia collusion/conspiracy investigation and that elevated one of the chief conspirators against Trump to the position of running the operation against Trump. Rod Rosenstein, who brought in Robert Mueller to run a full blown media circus investigation of Trump/Russia conspiracy/collusion. There wasn't any!

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posted July 23, 2020 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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In his book, McCabe said there was a disinformation campaign in the conservative blogosphere to suggest he had animus toward the president and had gleefully pursued Flynn, both of which he claimed were false. Of the reports, he said, “The stories may be fictional and the information false, but the consequences of this strategy are real.”

This is the same person who lied about unauthorized disclosures to the media about the FBI's investigation of the Clinton Foundation. He lied to FBI Director James Comey about these disclosures. He lied multiple times to federal agents, including while under oath. He admitted to lying to Congress.

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posted July 23, 2020 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And, McCabe is still walking around unprosecuted and free after committing perjury.

Let's hope John Durham, the US Attorney appointed by AG Barr to investigate this democrat made mess catches up with McCabe, Comey, Brennan, Clapper, Lynch and the rest of Obama's Russia hoaxers.

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posted July 23, 2020 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jwhop:
And, McCabe is still walking around unprosecuted and free after committing perjury.

Let's hope John Durham, the US Attorney appointed by AG Barr to investigate this democrat made mess catches up with McCabe, Comey, Brennan, Clapper, Lynch and the rest of Obama's Russia hoaxers.


Jwhop, as you may very well be aware, the Justice Department decided not to prosecute McCabe for perjury or was it leaking? because they have more significant charges to bring against him. They let go of the small potatoes for more substantial charges.

It's being reported that John Durham will have indictments by the end of the summer. Mark Meadows is openly talking about this, so I'm confident it's coming and soon.

And remember, there are unnamed investigators besides John Durham working on this, the biggest scandal in U.S. history. It's no wonder that the bad actors are turning up the heat. If they fail, they're going to prison.

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posted July 23, 2020 06:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Former FBI Director James Comey admitted under oath in June 2017 that the reporting was “false,” something his deputy director Andrew McCabe privately acknowledged to the White House earlier that year but refused to admit publicly. Efforts by the White House to get the FBI to say publicly what they were admitting privately were leaked to the media in order to suggest the White House was obstructing their investigation. “Obstruction” of the Russia investigation would form a major part of the special counsel probe, and media and Democrat efforts to oust the president.

"Swamp" doesn't begin to describe how corrupt this is.

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The New York Times declined to retract or correct the article three years ago, even after Comey testified it was false, on the grounds that the anonymous sources who fed the false information remained pleased with the initial story.

This rings hollow. More likely, the NYT was pleased with the damage to the President, which was the whole purpose for the article in the first place.

This is a very good article. Many of us have known this information for quite sometime. But now we have conclusive evidence from one of the main perpetrators of the Russian collusion hoax.

The criminal conspiracy is now being laid bare for the entire country to see. First, declass, followed by indictments.

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posted July 23, 2020 11:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Dhyana

"First, declass, followed by indictments."

Declassification of documents is in process. Hopefully Grand Juries and indictments are too.

July 23, 2020
Presidential polls look as fake as the Russian collusion narrative
Jack Hellner

The media are clearly using skewed polls, as they did in 2016, to suppress votes and discourage Trump supporters by making them think they are oddballs and racists.

The ABC/Washington Post poll is a good example.

President Trump faces a significant challenge in his bid to win reelection in November, with former vice president Joe Biden holding a double-digit lead nationally and the president's approval ratings crumbling amid a spreading coronavirus pandemic and a weakened economy, according to a Washington Post-ABC News poll.

Instead of polling proper samples in their latest poll, they polled with 24% of their respondents as people who identified themselves as Republican. A proper sample would be at least 33%, because that is what people have said in 2016 and 2018. In this poll, Joe Biden had a 15-point lead.

If they had used 33%, Trump conservatively would have picked up six or seven percent, and Biden would have gone down a comparable number. A 12% to 14% adjustment would mean that the race is a dead heat, and that wouldn't be a good headline to push the leftist agenda. The poll has a 3.5% margin of error.

The economy is usually the most important issue in the election, and a 12% to 14% bump for Trump would mean he would stomp Biden on that issue. Be very wary of polls, done by desperate Democrats with an agenda.

Another way polls are skewed is by polling "independents"...from blue cities, instead of from smaller cities and rural areas. Guess how that group swings.

A third way they skew the polls is by carefully choosing the wording to get the results they want. For example, if you ask, "Do you want to send your kids to school before they are safe?," you will get almost zero yeses. If you instead ask, "Did you know that scientific evidence shows that the seasonal flu is more dangerous to students and teachers than COVID?," the answers would be very different.

Or if you asked, "Did you know that states that kept their schools open throughout the epidemic, without masks, social distancing, and gathering in small groups, did not have problems?," the results would also be very different.

The other thing pollsters do to influence or mislead the public is that they will ask many questions about what Trump says or does, but rarely will you see a poll on what Biden says or does or on the radical, leftist policies most journalists and other Democrats want to inflict on the American people. They clearly know what the results would be, so they don't ask.

For example:

Do you believe that Biden was correct when he said he blacks aren't black if they aren't voting for him?

Do you understand that Biden is lying when he talks about Trump and white supremacists and when he says the Obama/Biden years were scandal-free?

Do you want to give up all cars, trucks, planes, houses, and other things powered by or made with oil? Won't the travel industry and many other industries be destroyed if oil is no longer available?

Do you believe that the politicians who didn't keep their word that you could keep your doctor and keep your plan and that your premiums would go down can control temperatures within one or two degrees, storm activity, and sea levels if we just give up oil and hand politicians and bureaucrats trillions of dollars?

Do you believe that it is OK to let an unwanted baby die after birth?

Do you believe there should be no limits on abortion?

Do you believe that big government, more regulations, and higher taxes are what makes the private economy thrive? Can you name one proposed Democrat policy that helps the private sector versus making the government more powerful?

Do you believe that politicians from cities and states have the right to refuse to enforce immigration laws they don't like? Are laws flexible for individuals and businesses or just politicians?

Do you believe that it was OK for Obama to dictatorially, unilaterally, and unconstitutionally change immigration laws when he couldn't get what he wanted through Congress?

Should there be open borders and mass amnesty for people who came in illegally, or should people get in line as previous generations have?

Does a president have an obligation to use federal agents to protect federal properties in cities and states when the local politicians refuse to do so?

Do you believe that mayors and governors should treat anarchists who take over areas of cities and police stations as peaceful protesters, or should they take immediate control?

Is it proper that politicians put few if any restrictions on protests they support while greatly limiting our activities in church, school, gyms, stores, restaurants, sporting events, weddings, funerals, etc.? It seems freedom is very selective!

Since the government requires photo ID's for many things in our daily lives, do you believe it is racist to require them to vote?

Do you believe voting by mail would be ripe for fraud?

Do you believe protests are safe but voting in person is dangerous?

Do you think it was O.K. that the Obama administration continually lied through the complicit media to get the deal done with Iran that continues to pledge death to America?

Do you think it was proper for Obama to dictatorially stop the Justice Department investigation into drug running by terrorists to appease Iran?

Do you think it was proper for Biden and Hillary to use their positions at the public trough to greatly enrich themselves and their families?

Should Hillary Clinton and her aides have been prosecuted for their multiple crimes that other people have been prosecuted for or was she above the law?

Should Eric Holder, James Comey, James Clapper, Lois Lerner, Andrew McCabe, John Brennan, and others who lied to Congress and/or the FBI be prosecuted or are they above the law?

Did you realize that there was never any evidence of Trump and those surrounding him colluding with Russia for which there was endless false reporting and almost endless investigations?

Should the media admit that they knowingly printed stories for years when there was never any evidence that the stories were true in order to take out Trump?

Was it proper for President Obama to threaten to cut off education funds if schools refused to allow boys, who emotionally felt like girls, to violate girl's privacy and expose themselves in girs' restrooms and locker rooms? I bet the yes votes on this question would be extremely low.

None of these questions will be asked or others relating to radical leftist policies promoted by almost all journalists and other Democrats because most answers would show the policies would not be popular.

For as long as I can remember, the media has been choosing what to report, what not to report and how to report, not based on what is newsworthy, but based on how to get Democrats elected and their policies. These days, it seems to have intensified and gotten worse. The AP, NPR, WP, NYT, ABC, NBC, CBS and almost all social media outlets are essentially campaign arms for Democrats.

Each day, the media should run a chyron or headline that says this message is an unpaid campaign ad for Biden.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/07/presidential_polls_look_as_fake_as_the_russian_collusion_narrative.html

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posted July 24, 2020 12:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Political Climate Preventing 62 Percent of Americans From Sharing Their Views

https://www.theepochtimes.com/political-climate-preventing-62-percent-of-americans-from-sharing-their-views_3435071.html

Along with polls being fake, this must be a significant factor in why they don't accurately reflect the views of the electorate.

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posted July 25, 2020 12:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jwhop: You might be interested in this guy. He's a solid reporter with good sources, like John Solomon. He's also a winemaker, so his twitter feed has a lot of tweets about wine. Below are a few quotes I've collected re: Durham

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Durham and Barr do not want this investigation to be used for political points, which is the way it should be. There are major rumors that there are already indictments. There are some indictments in the pipeline also for sure. The scope of this investigation is huge. Massive.


...which is why I suspect it's taking so long, that, and Covid.

On timing re Durham

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A lot is coming. A lot. I am told the investigation has not been political and has tons of evidence. Tons. We will see soon enough.

I hear by [August] recess. I do have one saying by Labor Day.


https://twitter.com/adamhousley

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