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teasel
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posted August 26, 2020 02:07 PM
  
Was apparently shot seven times - in the back - after breaking up a fight. A teenage boy travelled to Wisconsin, to shoot protesters, and he got away. He's just been charged with murder, but some right-wingers were defending him last night. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted August 26, 2020 02:22 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/protest-continue-kenosha-wisconsin-jacob-blake-shooting/ IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted August 26, 2020 02:25 PM
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news /crime/jacob-blake-police-shooting-black-man-shot-in-front-of-3-sons-after-he-broke-up-fight-family-says/ar-BB18kApu quote:
Blake's family and multiple witnesses told ABC News the 29-year-old security guard had just broken up an argument before he was shot."The officers were responding to a fight," said witness La-Ron Franklin."It was some girls fighting. A gentleman was breaking up the fight. When he was turning to get his kids, the officer shot this man seven times." "He does the same job the police does. He protect people from being hurt and let people enjoy themselves at the same time," said Donnell Lauderdale, Jacob Blake's neighbor and friend. "Why can't the police do the same?" Lauderdale said Sunday was supposed to be a celebration for their family. "When I spoke to him he had presents in his hand," Lauderdale said. "He was inviting my 4-year-old son to come to his 6-year-old's birthday party."
How can anyone say that he deserved to be shot? IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted August 26, 2020 05:09 PM
Another cell camera showed him fighting two officers. He allegedly had a knife. Witnesses heard the police say to drop the knife. There were children in the back seat of the vehicle. An officer is legally authorized to use deadly force to protect the lives of others. In his current state of mind, could he have put the lives of those children in peril? It doesn’t matter what we think. The standard is: “What would a reasonable officer have thought under the same or similar circumstances?” The officer shot center body mass, just as he was trained to do. If he was allowed to drive off with those children, that also could have endangered their lives from the ensuing pursuit. That’s the legal analysis. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted August 26, 2020 09:16 PM
He wasn’t unarmed.
http://bluelivesmatter.blue/wisconsin-doj-confirms-jacob-blake-was-armed-when-he-was-shot/?fbclid=IwAR0Qvzpza49GKPIST12IT9F-Mqp9n1nwfHyJ-erG7kpmv2ZdjL2fUeFgIzg IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted August 26, 2020 10:53 PM
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Originally posted by teasel:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news /crime/jacob-blake-police-shooting-black-man-shot-in-front-of-3-sons-after-he-broke-up-fight-family-says/ar-BB18kApu How can anyone say that he deserved to be shot?
Wouldn't it be wise to wait for videos that show what happened before the clip that is shown instead of trusting the words of an eyewitness that JB was a "gentleman" who was "breaking up a fight?" What is wrong with waiting for more facts and evidence to come in before you make up your mind one way or another? Trust me when I say that, it will do wonders for your peace of mind and for your mental and emotional health. IP: Logged |
Dumuzi
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posted August 27, 2020 11:39 AM
that teenage boy was acting in self defense and only shot people who were direct threats one of whom pulled a gun on him and intended to kill himlast i checked self defense isnt murder or illegal edit: here's a compilation of videos of the shootings, they're very graphic, fair warning: http://banned.video/watch?id=5f461c12838dfb0597d10755 people are going to these protests armed with many different kinds of weapons, being there without a weapon is a good way to get killed and no doubt this kid wouldve been killed if he had not been armed the felon whose gun arm he shot had an illegal gun on him and was ready to kill him (can find you the facebook images of this guy's friends saying that was the intention if you'd like) when he fired that shot the man with the skateboard (also a criminal, go figure a criminal participating in a violent riot trying to beat a kid with a skateboard after chasing him down) clearly assaulted this kid first the man who was shot in the head (a sex offender btw) is a bit more unclear in these videos but is clearly shown beforehand antagonizing the militia group rittenhouse was there with asking to be shot, shots were fired before he was shot (not from rittenhouse's gun) and participating in acts of violence this kid did not go there to murder and did not murder, he wasn't there to shoot protestors he was defending a business and was armed because only an idiot would go do something like that unarmed considering the violent nature of these protests guaranteed if he was there just to shoot protestors many more would have been shot not just ones who directly assaulted and chased him he actually demonstrated excellent control and quick thinking and was not just firing into the crowd or attacking anyone IP: Logged |
etherealsaturn
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posted August 27, 2020 04:39 PM
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Originally posted by Belage:
Wouldn't it be wise to wait for videos that show what happened before the clip that is shown instead of trusting the words of an eyewitness that JB was a "gentleman" who was "breaking up a fight?"What is wrong with waiting for more facts and evidence to come in before you make up your mind one way or another? Trust me when I say that, it will do wonders for your peace of mind and for your mental and emotional health.
I agree. You would think people have learned by now to wait for the facts and details to come out instead of making assumptions. IP: Logged |
etherealsaturn
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posted August 27, 2020 04:39 PM
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Originally posted by Belage:
Wouldn't it be wise to wait for videos that show what happened before the clip that is shown instead of trusting the words of an eyewitness that JB was a "gentleman" who was "breaking up a fight?"What is wrong with waiting for more facts and evidence to come in before you make up your mind one way or another? Trust me when I say that, it will do wonders for your peace of mind and for your mental and emotional health.
I agree. You would think people have learned by now to wait for the facts and details to come out instead of making assumptions. IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted August 27, 2020 09:11 PM
CNN is holding on to its narrative of "peaceful protests" like a starving dog to a bone. The latest in creative writing with fire in the background: "fiery but mostly peaceful protests"  https://3knk6g1tqbkuv3amm1ypcu5l-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/CNN-Chyron-1.jpg IP: Logged |
Dhyana
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posted August 28, 2020 01:11 AM
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Originally posted by Randall:
An officer is legally authorized to use deadly force to protect the lives of others.
No question. But, Blake was shot seven times. Wouldn't one shot have been lethal enough? IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted August 28, 2020 02:36 PM
If he was still moving and reaching for a weapon, then no. But you can't shoot too much if the goal is deadly force. IP: Logged |
Dhyana
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posted August 28, 2020 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by Randall:
If he was still moving and reaching for a weapon, then no. But you can't shoot too much if the goal is deadly force.
I see, thanks. Stating the obvious, but if he hadn't resisted arrest, he wouldn't be in the hospital with seven bullet wounds. IP: Logged |
MarsSaturnDelight
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posted August 28, 2020 04:02 PM
Because of the lack of details and transparency of the incident, it’s impossible to make any sense of it all. People are just surmising to suit their bias. One thing is for sure, that the officer is not good at his job. Lost control of the situation and had to result in shooting. And if the goal was to use deadly force and it was warranted, then what a poor shot he is. Just looked this he was given a gun for the first time - just uncontrollable shooting.
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Dhyana
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posted August 28, 2020 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by MarsSaturnDelight:
One thing is for sure, that the officer is not good at his job. Lost control of the situation and had to result in shooting. And if the goal was to use deadly force and it was warranted, then what a poor shot he is. Just looked this he was given a gun for the first time - just uncontrollable shooting.
Of course, this is not speculation. lol IP: Logged |
MarsSaturnDelight
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posted August 28, 2020 05:00 PM
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Of course, this is not speculation. lol
Nope. Not really from the media coverage and footage shown and from the initial statement from the police. Also, the second part in my post was hypothetical, in response to the comment made by Randall. I think that was clear. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted August 28, 2020 09:20 PM
Seven shots seems excessive. I agree with that. But people on PCP can take a few bullets and still lunge at an officer.IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted August 28, 2020 09:36 PM
I don’t think the officer was a poor shot. He hit him all seven times at point blank range. IP: Logged |
Dumuzi
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posted August 28, 2020 09:58 PM
pretty sure i'd go down after the first bullet or 2 even on pcp, you have to be on such high doses of that **** to get a really out of it high and even then typically not violentat least never violent in my experience, can definitely make you not there though my only black out ever was pcp related mind not there at all body still going it was like waking up from a dream when i snapped out of it but i was in the middle of having sex hell of a drug IP: Logged |
MarsSaturnDelight
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posted August 29, 2020 02:03 AM
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Seven shots seems excessive. I agree with that. But people on PCP can take a few bullets and still lunge at an officer.
I agree, but that’s where is struggle. If it was warranted that the police officer could use fatal response, as you stated above, I don’t see why here failed to do so even after 7 shots. Also, where does it say that he was high on drugs? Sorry, not seen this evidence yet. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted August 29, 2020 02:46 AM
I was just giving an example where multiple bullets may be used and appear excessive but not be. There’s no such thing as deadly force and deadlier force.IP: Logged |
MarsSaturnDelight
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posted August 29, 2020 05:42 AM
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Originally posted by Randall:
An officer is legally authorized to use deadly force to protect the lives of others.
What does this mean, then? IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted August 29, 2020 05:49 AM
It is from a case concerning a fleeing felon. The Court tackled the subject of deadly force, specifically where the individual was running away. Deadly force may only be used when the officer’s life is being threatened or when the lives of others are in danger.IP: Logged |
Blind writer
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posted August 29, 2020 10:47 AM
https://twitter.com/PoliticalShort/status/1299702113103220737 Excerpts from the NY Post.Jacob Blake is a horrible person. I am glad he survived, so he can face the justice system. Remember, $2M dollars were raised for this guy, major sports teams canceled their games for him, and Biden defended him. He was tased twice, headlocked an officer, was armed, and resisted arrest, while also placing children at risk. As more facts come out about Kyle Rittenhouse’s case, it is still not confirmed if his gun is the one that killed the first man, or if shots from another gun participated in his death. For certain, he wasn’t the first to shoot a gun that night. The second altercation that resulted in two other men shot were clear cut self-defense. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted August 29, 2020 11:12 AM
The video of the teenage boy came after he shot someone, not before. They chased him, because he shot someone. Seven shots is excessive. I saw a woman on another site, say that he was "only" shot four times. Oh, only four? That isn't bad? I was worried about violence this Spring, all thanks to people like that kid and his mother. My mental health is fine, Belage. Things were getting to me before, but I'm used to this now. All the excuses in the world are made for the white teenager, who travelled to another State, to "protect property" and take lives. A guy walks away from police, is shot seven times, and it's fine. He had it coming. I'm used to it now. IP: Logged |
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