posted November 15, 2020 04:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
From what I have seen in GU, you are very clearly on one side. Why would you be reading 'independent journalism'?

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That's a good question. Thanks for asking.

Independent journalists can corroborate the truth, if you can find one who isn't partisan. Adam Housley isn't on either side. In fact, he dislikes both sides. That makes him trustworthy. He has good sources and a good track record of being right.

As an example, independent journalists on the ground were reporting and made videos of the violence in Portland and other cities. Whereas establishment media was referring to rioters as "peaceful protesters."

There are a few journalists on the left who, to their credit, were critical of the Russia collusion narrative: Aaron Mate, Glenn Greenwald, and Matt Taibbi. They weren't biased, they were right. Being on one side doesn't ipso facto mean you're biased or wrong.

There are times like now when the truth is predominantly on one side. So called fair and balanced reporting can sometimes obscure the truth rather than reveal it. Would we have known the truth from a "fair and balanced" reporting of the war against slavery? Of course not. This country is at war against an internal enemy.

posted November 15, 2020 04:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
I know what you mean.

I do not agree with everything about the republican party and have expressed my reservations here. But I had to make a decision on who to vote for and certain things had more weight tilting me in a particular direction.

The thing is even if people were undecided, the polls were still wrong in showing that Biden had a 10-20 lead.

And I am afraid really finding out why the polls were so wrong would uncover a host of shady motives that the media is not willing to investigate. It is easier to demonize Trump's supporters as fringe uneducated hicks, then to admit that 1 out of 2 American supports Trump. You cannot demonize half the people of the country without sounding stupid.

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posted November 15, 2020 04:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Dhyana:
That's a good question. Thanks for asking.

Independent journalists can corroborate the truth, if you can find one who isn't partisan. Adam Housley isn't on either side. In fact, he dislikes both sides. That makes him trustworthy. He has good sources and a good track record of being right.

As an example, independent journalists on the ground were reporting and made videos of the violence in Portland and other cities. Whereas establishment media was referring to rioters as "peaceful protesters."

There are a few journalists on the left who, to their credit, were critical of the Russia collusion narrative: Aaron Mate, Glenn Greenwald, and Matt Taibbi. They weren't biased, they were right. Being on one side doesn't ipso facto mean you're biased or wrong.

There are times like now when the truth is predominantly on one side. So called fair and balanced reporting can sometimes obscure the truth rather than reveal it. Would we have known the truth from a "fair and balanced" reporting of the war against slavery? Of course not. This country is at war against an internal enemy.

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posted November 15, 2020 04:34 PM            

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Originally posted by AcousticGod:
Dhyana,

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Trump campaign’s interactions with Russian intelligence services during the 2016 presidential election posed a “grave” counterintelligence threat, a Senate panel concluded Tuesday as it detailed how associates of Donald Trump had regular contact with Russians and expected to benefit from the Kremlin’s help.

The nearly 1,000-page report, [b]the fifth and final one from the Republican-led Senate intelligence committee on the Russia investigation, details how Russia launched an aggressive effort to interfere in the election on Trump’s behalf. It says the Trump campaign chairman had regular contact with a Russian intelligence officer and that other Trump associates were eager to exploit the Kremlin’s aid, particularly by maximizing the impact of the disclosure of Democratic emails hacked by Russian intelligence officers.
https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-ne ws-elections-politics-campaigns-5e833a62e9492f6a66624b7920cc846a

This is not remotely in evidence.[/B]

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The evidence I'm referring to is in the possession of Trump's lawyers and will be submitted to the courts.

In order to convince someone who thinks differently than you, you're more likely to succeed if you give them a source that person considers credible. I don't consider establishment media credible.

Also, the Senate Intel Committee is corrupt. So, I don't consider their report credible.

And another thing. After 18 months or so the Mueller investigation found no evidence of Russian collusion. In fact, what has come out now is that it was the Clinton campaign that colluded with Russia.

posted November 15, 2020 04:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Good points Dhyana, thanks. Adam Housley's Facebook page says he works for Fox News, are you sure he can be classed as 'independent'?

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Yes, he quit the industry.

posted November 15, 2020 04:45 PM            

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They weren't biased, they were right.

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posted November 15, 2020 05:28 PM            

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If truly the software did not allocate Trump votes to Biden and was not significant in changing the election results, why worry? Let a full investigation run its course, so that we can ALL feel good that everything was done properly.

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To clarify, I don't mind states recounting and finding again what they've already found. What's distressing is a pervasive disbelief in election results despite a lack of actual evidence. Every day new headlines emerge that show courts are not agreeing with challenges. Of course, the majority here also seem to want to disregard the news.

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posted November 15, 2020 05:35 PM            

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Originally posted by AcousticGod:
They weren't right. The Senate intelligence committee found otherwise. Because they weren't right, they are actually dangerous as far as journalists go.

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"They weren't right. The Senate intelligence committee found otherwise"

Anyone, journalist or not, who said RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA colluded and coordinated with Trump to steal the 2016 election from the Queen of Corruption, Hillary The Corrupt is absolutely wrong...and utterly corrupt to boot.

Anyone, journalist or not, who said there was no collusion or coordination between Russia and Trump to steal the election from Hillary The Corrupt, is absolutely right.

The Senate Intelligence Committee found no such collusion or coordination between Russia and Trump and reported there was none.

No collusion in 2016 between Trump campaign and Russia: Senate Intelligence Committee report
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/aug/18/senate-intelligence-cmte-no -collusion-trump-russia/

Senate Intel Panel Found ‘Absolutely No Evidence’ Of Collusion, Faced Roadblocks In Probe Of Steele Dossier
http://dailycaller.com/2020/08/18/senate-intelligence-steele-dossier-collusion-tru mp-russia/

Senate Intelligence Committee finds no evidence of collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign
http://www.foxnews.com/transcript/senate-i ntelligence-committee-finds-no-evidence-of-collusion-between-russia-and-the-trump-campaign

Senate Intelligence Committee: No Evidence of Collusion Between Trump Campaign and Russia
http://thepoliticalinsider.com/senate-intelligence-committee-russia-collusion/

NBC's Dilanian: Senate Probe Finds No Evidence Of Russian Collusion In Trump Campaign
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi deo/2019/02/12/nbc_dilanian_senate_probe_finds_no_evidence_of_russian_collusion_in_trump_campaign.html#!

Senate Intelligence chairman: No evidence of Trump-Russia collusion
http://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/07/richard-burr-senate-russia-investigation-115 6624

Senate finds no direct evidence of collusion between Trump campaign, Russia
http://www.msnbc.com/hallie-jackson/watch/senate-has-foun d-no-direct-evidence-of-trump-russia-collusion-1441263171664

THE REPORT
The Senate Intelligence Committee Report
http://www.bing.com/search?q=senate+intelligence+committee+russia+report+pdf&FORM=R5FD2

Back to your usual I see; deliberate, intentional lying.

posted November 15, 2020 06:40 PM            

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Anyone, journalist or not, who said RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA colluded and coordinated with Trump to steal the 2016 election from the Queen of Corruption, Hillary The Corrupt is absolutely wrong...and utterly corrupt to boot.

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posted November 15, 2020 07:55 PM            

Thanks for telling us you're a totally dishonest, intellectually and morally corrupt person.

Btw, you should find a different hobby. President Trump is a Sun Sign Gemini in the 10th house. Trump will go down in history as the greatest, most successful President of the 20th and 21 century..to date, perhaps in history.

posted November 15, 2020 09:22 PM            

WASHINGTON — A sprawling report released Tuesday by a Republican-controlled Senate panel that spent three years investigating Russia’s interference in the 2016 election laid out an extensive web of contacts between Trump campaign advisers and Kremlin officials and other Russians, including at least one intelligence officer and others tied to the country’s spy services.

The report by the Senate Intelligence Committee, totaling nearly 1,000 pages, drew to a close one of the highest-profile congressional investigations in recent memory and could be the last word from an official government inquiry about the expansive Russian campaign to sabotage the 2016 election.

It provided a bipartisan Senate imprimatur for an extraordinary set of facts: The Russian government disrupted an American election to help Mr. Trump become president, Russian intelligence services viewed members of the Trump campaign as easily manipulated, and some of Mr. Trump’s advisers were eager for the help from an American adversary.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/18/us/politics/senate-intelligence-russian-interference-report.html

The Associated Press is not known for getting things wrong.

posted November 15, 2020 10:51 PM            

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Originally posted by PhoenixRising:
You missed it, when I proved Trump is a Taurean according to the sidereal charts. Do your homework sunny boy.

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I missed nothing. Trump is a Gemini.

posted November 15, 2020 11:22 PM            

The AP and Reuters don't get things wrong!
Are you nuts?

Read closely acoustic.
The Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee said:

SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN SAID, NO EVIDENCE OF TRUMP-RUSSIA COLLUSION.

And acoustic, that wasn't reported by some right wing source. That was reported by a leftist source...POLITICO

One more thing. I don't give a damn that Flynn talked to the Russian Ambassador during the transition...just as he was supposed to do.

And I don't give a damn that Jeff Sessions shook hands with the Russian Ambassador after a speech Sessions gave. The Ambassador stuck his hand out and said hello. You expected Sessions to give the Russian Ambassador a crotch kick and refuse to shake his hand or acknowledge his greeting?

Leftists in this country have clearly lost their minds...and most of them had a long head start before Trump ever showed up to trounce Hillary The Corrupt.

posted November 16, 2020 01:15 AM            

I see a lot of caveats and not a lot of acceptance of what the report reported. Because Republicans lead the committee, the report didn't go as far as determining collusion, but Democrats correctly identified that what occurred is what collusion looks like. This committee found MORE connections between Trump and Russia than Mueller did. It's pretty cut and dried. Trump is neither clean nor particularly lawful.

But what if we take collusion off the table? We still have a campaign in close contact with Russia. That is damning and damaging of itself by virtually ANY rational measure. It shouldn't happen. It's plain. We're not good buddies with Russia.

And then Trump put his desire to find dirt through foreign sources on display and got impeached. Pattern established.

posted November 17, 2020 12:14 AM            

And yet, here you are touting a bunch of democrat chair warmers on the Senate Intelligence Committee as having a broader scope and deeper understanding than the FBI and DOJ Mueller Investigating team...who, by the way subpoenaed many more people and got far more testimony than ever dreamed of by the democrat pipsqueaks on the Senate Committee.

Lastly, Richard Burr, a Trump hater, and chairman of the Senate Intel Committee STATED PUBLICIALLY THAT THE COMMITTEE FOUND NO COLLUSION, NO COORDINATION.

Time to give it up. Your bullshiiite isn't going to fly. I posted the link to the committee report..in it's entirety. How much of the report did you read? More importantly, how much of the report did the idiot..so called journalists, whose a$$ you seem to have your head up read. My guess is not a damned word of it. They took the bullshiite spin from the low life lying democrats on the committee and ran with their lying narrative.

posted November 17, 2020 02:04 AM            

Mueller's team put a lot of Trump associates in jail, including one with known ties to Russian leadership.

I'm here touting the truth as has always been the norm. You are trying to obfuscate it via your usual means of acting as though you're an authority. It's very clear you are not. You regularly engage in delusional ideas of what truth is.

You're evoking Richard Burr, who quickly stepped down from leadership of that committee after the report due to being investigated for essentially insider trading on knowledge of the Coronavirus. This is who you're asking us to trust. Come on. Be Better.

This is the same Richard Burr who started out with that very idea in mind:

On January 12, 2017, eight days before President-elect Donald Trump was sworn into office, Senate Intelligence Chairman Richard Burr told reporters his committee would not look into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia as part of its investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election. "That's not our role," the North Carolina Republican said.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/23/politics/senate-intelligence-committee-report-russia-trump/index.html

He, like you, is not just going to change his mind in light of new evidence.

Journalists on the left are quite good, Jwhop. NYT articles are like small books. The idea that news reporters on the left have no clue what they're talking about is laughable.

posted November 17, 2020 10:48 PM            

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The Mueller investigation was touted as the 'Gold Standard' of investigations. Mueller's team of Trump hating democrat FBI and DOJ lawyers didn't find a damned thing...and unless you've been hibernating for the last 3 years, you know it too.

And yet, here you are touting a bunch of democrat chair warmers on the Senate Intelligence Committee as having a broader scope and deeper understanding than the FBI and DOJ Mueller Investigating team...who, by the way subpoenaed many more people and got far more testimony than ever dreamed of by the democrat pipsqueaks on the Senate Committee.

Lastly, Richard Burr, a Trump hater, and chairman of the Senate Intel Committee [b]STATED PUBLICIALLY THAT THE COMMITTEE FOUND NO COLLUSION, NO COORDINATION.

Time to give it up. Your bullshiiite isn't going to fly. I posted the link to the committee report..in it's entirety. How much of the report did you read? More importantly, how much of the report did the idiot..so called journalists, whose a$$ you seem to have your head up read. My guess is not a damned word of it. They took the bullshiite spin from the low life lying democrats on the committee and ran with their lying narrative.

That's the essence of Fake News and people who fall for the bullshiite need an IQ boost. [/B]

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posted November 17, 2020 10:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Dhyana:
Christopher "The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history" Krebs, Director of Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency has been fired.

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posted November 17, 2020 10:55 PM            

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Originally posted by AcousticGod:
They weren't right. The Senate intelligence committee found otherwise. Because they weren't right, they are actually dangerous as far as journalists go.

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I agree, they are dangerous, to the enemies of our republic and the people.

posted November 17, 2020 11:14 PM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
That's why that article was published in the first post.

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posted November 17, 2020 11:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Dhyana:
...are you saying Krebs knew he was about to be fired and he wanted the article made public beforehand?

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Probably his boss or bosses trying to protect him.

They tried to apply public pressure against the firing.