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Topic: I Wish this had been Upheld in this Forum
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Voix_de_la_Mer
Moderator Posts: 2882
From: Sound
Registered: Aug 2011
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posted November 15, 2020 08:38 AM
  
From Randall:
...this Forum isn't an outlet to vent or a place to argue. Please, if you don't have something nice to say, say nothing at all. Knowflakes come here to intelligently discuss world topics from a Light perspective and to try to understand our differences in an atmosphere of mutual respect. If anyone feels anger during this process, it might be best to avoid this Forum. If Knowflakes can't get along over superficial and illusory differences, then what hope is there for the rest of the world?
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/000157.html -------------------------------------------- But it's not all about enforcement. It is a personal responsibility of us all (including myself) to conduct ourselves respectfully and reap the benefits of attack-free discussion and debate. IP: Logged |
juniperb
Moderator Posts: 11928
From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 15, 2020 09:33 AM
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This forum is to share not override one another or dismiss members.
Please think before you post! Also, the conspricy theories belong in another forum . please put your material in the correct forum or it may be moved.
This forum is for all!
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Voix_de_la_Mer
Moderator Posts: 2882
From: Sound
Registered: Aug 2011
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posted November 15, 2020 10:08 AM
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Originally posted by juniperb:
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This forum is to share not override one another or dismiss members.
Please think before you post! Also, the conspricy theories belong in another forum . please put your material in the correct forum or it may be moved.
This forum is for all!
Thanks for this Juniper. Sage guidance from the forum moderator, which I duly take on board  IP: Logged |
Belage
Knowflake Posts: 3509
From: USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 15, 2020 11:37 AM
I agree with this. I have tried for the most part to adhere to this statement, though I cannot claim I have been 100% successful. But I continue to try. IP: Logged |
shura
Knowflake Posts: 2626
From: kamaloka
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted November 15, 2020 11:41 AM
I spent years advocating, sometimes pleading, for the same. Politics is what it is. IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer
Moderator Posts: 2882
From: Sound
Registered: Aug 2011
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posted November 15, 2020 11:57 AM
If enough of us uphold this sentiment, then it will become the new reality. I have not always been as respectful as I could be either. My anger and frustration can get the better of me too. But it is easier to be respectful when respect is the expectation and upheld by the majority of individuals.When I looked back at the old GU, I saw similar disagreements, but also the tactical use of humour and respectful tolerance. Global Unity 1.0 had not completely lost its 'unity'. IP: Logged |
Dhyana
Knowflake Posts: 1054
From: US
Registered: Sep 2019
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posted November 15, 2020 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by juniperb:
Also, the conspricy theories belong in another forum. please put your material in the correct forum or it may be moved.
Big tech and establishment media approves this message.
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Voix_de_la_Mer
Moderator Posts: 2882
From: Sound
Registered: Aug 2011
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posted November 15, 2020 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by Dhyana:
Big tech and establishment media approves this message.
'Big tech and establishment media' do not enforce the LL rules. That's what moderators are for. IP: Logged |
Dhyana
Knowflake Posts: 1054
From: US
Registered: Sep 2019
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posted November 15, 2020 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
'Big tech and establishment media' do not enforce the LL rules. That's what moderators are for.
That's also true. As for the dismissal of allegations of fraud as "conspiracy theories" before any evidence is presented in a court of law is at the very least premature. IP: Logged |
shura
Knowflake Posts: 2626
From: kamaloka
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted November 15, 2020 12:41 PM
I disagree. Respectfully  1) GU 1 was at times brutal. Really brutal. Occupy, Patriot Act, Obama ... nasty stuff. Personal stuff. Behind the scenes stuff. At least two alternate LL's that I recall where temporarily set up because the atmosphere here was that brutal. In fairness there were maybe 3x more regular posters at that time 2) The essential quality of politics is unalterable. We can't change the nature of a shark by thinking happy thoughts. The hubris! The trick ime is in discovering other avenues of social discourse. IP: Logged |
shura
Knowflake Posts: 2626
From: kamaloka
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted November 15, 2020 12:45 PM
interesting to note maybe .... there was a time when certain volatile subjects begun on other forums were tossed into GU, not because they were political, but in an effort to segregate the nastiness. This speaks to the nature of politics perhaps.IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer
Moderator Posts: 2882
From: Sound
Registered: Aug 2011
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posted November 15, 2020 12:49 PM
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Originally posted by shura:
I disagree. Respectfully 1) GU 1 was at times brutal. Really brutal. Occupy, Patriot Act, Obama ... nasty stuff. Personal stuff. Behind the scenes stuff. At least two alternate LL's that I recall where temporarily set up because the atmosphere here was that brutal. In fairness there were maybe 3x more regular posters at that time 2) The essential quality of politics is unalterable. We can't change the nature of a shark by thinking happy thoughts. The hubris! The trick ime is in discovering other avenues of social discourse.
I saw several clear examples of people getting creative in how they dealt with conflict in GU 1.0. In GU 2.0 I hardly ever see this. In fact, there are clear hostile dynamics now solidified between certain members, resulting in no tolerance between them at all. This is something that happens over time when people have not checked themselves for too long. It is a personal responsibility. And we are not going to always be able to avoid being hostile or attacking, but it has become excessive in here. It appears that people are just not making the effort as much as they used to, and so the new members coming in think 'Oh, it's just the culture in here to be nasty and disrespectful and vent your spleen at anyone you like'. An unproductive culture has been created where most discussions just become one side against another, with little talk of unity or effort to see another's point of view. It is now an inherent dynamic. And it is certainly a regression from what I saw in GU 1.0. IP: Logged |
shura
Knowflake Posts: 2626
From: kamaloka
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted November 15, 2020 12:49 PM
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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
'Big tech and establishment media' do not enforce the LL rules. That's what moderators are for.
moderators and admin work within the confines of Big Tech's rules. Extreme example but if Randall turned LL into a white supremacist forum, he's lose his server.
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teasel
Knowflake Posts: 16435
From: http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?action=viewprofile;username=u36170365
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 15, 2020 12:50 PM
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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
If enough of us uphold this sentiment, then it will become the new reality. I have not always been as respectful as I could be either. My anger and frustration can get the better of me too. But it is easier to be respectful when respect is the expectation and upheld by the majority of individuals.When I looked back at the old GU, I saw similar disagreements, but also the tactical use of humour and respectful tolerance. Global Unity 1.0 had not completely lost its 'unity'.
There was more balance here. AG, Harpyr, Eleanore, occasionally Wych and proxieme. That’s what I remember. I didn’t spend much time here, until trump was elected. Threads that contained fighting were moved here, though - that’s also something that I recall. IP: Logged |
teasel
Knowflake Posts: 16435
From: http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?action=viewprofile;username=u36170365
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 15, 2020 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
I saw several clear examples of people getting creative in how they dealt with conflict in GU 1.0. In GU 2.0 I hardly ever see this.In fact, there are clear hostile dynamics now solidified between certain members, resulting in no tolerance between them at all. This is something that happens over time when people have not checked themselves for too long. It is a personal responsibility. And we are not going to always be able to avoid being hostile or attacking, but it has become excessive in here. It appears that people are just not making the effort as much as they used to, and so the new members coming in think 'Oh, it's just the culture in here to be nasty and disrespectful and vent your spleen at anyone you like'. An unproductive culture has been created where most discussions just become one side against another, with little talk of unity or effort to see another's point of view. It is now an inherent dynamic. And it is certainly a regression from what I saw in GU 1.0.
People were avoiding it before I started posting here, for that very reason. They still do. It has been considered the toxic forum for years. IP: Logged |
MarsSaturnDelight
Knowflake Posts: 337
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Registered: Dec 2014
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posted November 15, 2020 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by Dhyana:
That's also true. As for the dismissal of allegations of fraud as "conspiracy theories" [b]before any evidence is presented in a court of law is at the very least premature. [/B]
Relax All Juniperb was saying, was that conspiracy theories belong in another forum. You still get a voice, no one is being silenced. Also you get another forum you can spam with incoherent Twitter links. IP: Logged |
teasel
Knowflake Posts: 16435
From: http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?action=viewprofile;username=u36170365
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 15, 2020 12:57 PM
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Originally posted by shura:
moderators and admin work within the confines of Big Tech's rules. Extreme example but if Randall turned LL into a white supremacist forum, he's lose his server.
That’s why I don’t understand why he let misinformation run unchecked. Except for the fact that trump has been pushing it constantly. There have always been certain conspiracy theories surrounding the government, but democrats worshipping satan, and eating babies? A worldwide conspiracy in sex-trafficking, and also to take down “the greatest president ever” by leaders all over the world? Some people on here used to make sense, and they don’t anymore. The Obama and Clinton hatred made no sense to me, and the blindly believing all of this doesn’t, either. IP: Logged |
teasel
Knowflake Posts: 16435
From: http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?action=viewprofile;username=u36170365
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 15, 2020 01:01 PM
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Originally posted by shura:
I spent years advocating, sometimes pleading, for the same. Politics is what it is.
I used to try, too. I’m not as educated as some of you, and so I avoid certain things for that reason. But the conspiracy theories are maddening. I’ve also missed Juni so much. Hi juni. IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer
Moderator Posts: 2882
From: Sound
Registered: Aug 2011
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posted November 15, 2020 01:02 PM
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Originally posted by shura:
moderators and admin work within the confines of Big Tech's rules. Extreme example but if Randall turned LL into a white supremacist forum, he's lose his server.
The moderator of GU 2.0 requested that conspiracy theories go in the forum for conspiracy theories. I believe (and someone correct me if I'm wrong) that forum is called "The Spider Line". That has nothing to do with 'Big Tech'. And if they don't like it, then I'll expect to see a mass exodus of conspiracy theory threads from Spider Line and GU 2.0 to Astrology 2.0, where they would get the most exposure. I doubt that will happen. IP: Logged |
Dhyana
Knowflake Posts: 1054
From: US
Registered: Sep 2019
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posted November 15, 2020 01:02 PM
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Originally posted by MarsSaturnDelight:
Also you get another forum you can spam with incoherent Twitter links.
What a nice thing to say and thank you for being so respectful.  IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer
Moderator Posts: 2882
From: Sound
Registered: Aug 2011
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posted November 15, 2020 01:05 PM
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Originally posted by teasel:
There was more balance here. AG, Harpyr, Eleanore, occasionally Wych and proxieme. That’s what I remember. I didn’t spend much time here, until trump was elected. Threads that contained fighting were moved here, though - that’s also something that I recall.
Yes, that's what I thought, it appeared more balanced from the threads I read. It's not about avoiding the conflict, that's not natural and it will always happen on every forum, but it's how people respond in a conflict that makes the difference. IP: Logged |
MarsSaturnDelight
Knowflake Posts: 337
From:
Registered: Dec 2014
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posted November 15, 2020 01:07 PM
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Originally posted by Dhyana:
What a nice thing to say and thank you for being so respectful.
You’re welcome IP: Logged |
teasel
Knowflake Posts: 16435
From: http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?action=viewprofile;username=u36170365
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 15, 2020 01:08 PM
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Originally posted by MarsSaturnDelight:
RelaxAll Juniperb was saying, was that conspiracy theories belong in another forum. You still get a voice, no one is being silenced. Also you get another forum you can spam with incoherent Twitter links.
I posted a lot of twitter links over the summer. Dhyana might have got that from me. I gave up on talking, because I felt like I was losing my mind, so I just started to post links and leave again. IP: Logged |
shura
Knowflake Posts: 2626
From: kamaloka
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted November 15, 2020 01:08 PM
Voix, the problems you cite were endemic on GU 1.GU 2 has degraded because the number of posters and the quality of posters has declined. But it was always a hot mess. Always. Ive many times begged Juniperb (privately) to give up this moderator position and stop posting. It is a rotting carcass now, and tbh I save serious political discussions for other groups. IP: Logged |
teasel
Knowflake Posts: 16435
From: http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?action=viewprofile;username=u36170365
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 15, 2020 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by shura:
Voix, the problems you cite were endemic on GU 1.GU 2 has degraded because the number of posters and the quality of posters has declined. But it was always a hot mess. Always. Ive many times begged Juniperb (privately) to give up this moderator position and stop posting. It is a rotting carcass now, and tbh I save serious political discussions for other groups.
So do I. On forums where conspiracy theories don’t thrive. IP: Logged |
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