posted January 16, 2021 06:45 PM              

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You are absolutely spot on about the importance of alkalinity...

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Sounds pretty intense whatever you had.

So far I lean to thinking that SC2 was likely lab created and purposely released. Hence why I don't think it is a hoax. I do think that corporate media, bureaucratic health organizations, and governments have been over extreme about it and that the plutocrats are using it to extend control of the masses, and increase wealth among their class.

(I have learned to listen to my gut and intuition over the years. Back around 9/11, I had a feeling it was either an inside job or allowed to happen. The holistic evidence very clearly points to the former.)

posted January 17, 2021 06:41 AM            

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Originally posted by todd:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
[b] Unproven claims of COVID-19 being a hoax belong in the Spiderline forum Todd, not a thread about UK COVID-19 news in GU.

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you make my point exacty...CDC records researched by investigators from john Hopkinss university showed there was no spike of 350000 deaths.unproven claims on the spider line,just how far are you off into denial?????!
it is funny how your response is to ignore the fact and ridicule me.this is why this is a obvious hoax...ignore facts and ridicule.
Actually you emoploy basic MKUltra psyop 1.0
1 ignore facts
2 submit counter fact even if it is fabricated
3 then ridicule

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No ridicule from me Todd. My position is that I've yet to see any hard evidence that COVID19 is a hoax. Just because some elite figures stand to benefit from a pandemic, does not automatically render it a hoax. Just think of how much money war makes. Is every war a hoax? Or is war seen as an opportunity by some to profit?

I'm not saying it ISN'T a hoax. What I am saying is that I haven't seen evidence of it being a hoax. People profiting from crises (as they have always done) does not make it a hoax.

No matter where the virus has come from, it is a public health crisis - the evidence of that in the UK is overwhelming.

So I am politely asking you to keep COVID19 conspiracies in the appropriate forum, or at least off this thread. The moderator of GU has also requested that conspiracy theories are posted in the Spiderline forum.

posted January 19, 2021 06:50 AM            

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MANY NHS hospitals and intensive care units in England are “already overwhelmed”, a medic has warned as the service braces for a further influx of Covid-19 patients.

Alison Pittard, dean of the Faculty of Intensive Care Medicine, said hospitals are already treating unprecedented numbers of patients – and more are expected over the next seven to 10 days.

Figures from the NHS in England show that a record 34,336 Covid-19 patients were in hospital in England as of 8am on Monday, January 18. The figure is up 7% on a week ago, and up 94% since Christmas Day.
http://www.thenational.scot/news/19021697.covid-19-many-hospitals-england-already-overwhelmed-medic-warns/

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posted January 19, 2021 09:05 AM            

This alone (in the stiff upper lip UK) is an indication of how concerned the authorities are that - if the people do not adhere to the current lockdown rules - the NHS will be overwhelmed.

posted January 19, 2021 12:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
There are some heartbreaking stories appearing on the UK tv news channels now ... and coverage is being given to NHS staff that are clearly close to breaking point.

This alone (in the stiff upper lip UK) is an indication of how concerned the authorities are that - if the people do not adhere to the current lockdown rules - the NHS [b]will be overwhelmed.

No-one in-the-know is talking in terms of "maybe" anymore.[/B]

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I can attest to that. My son works for the NHS in a COVID19 lab and he said it is constantly busy. It is not sustainable for staff to keep going at this pace. I wish people would consider the health and wellbeing of the frontline staff keeping us all afloat while they are writing their own pandemic rules.

posted January 19, 2021 03:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
No ridicule from me Todd. My position is that I've yet to see any hard evidence that COVID19 is a hoax. Just because some elite figures stand to benefit from a pandemic, does not automatically render it a hoax. Just think of how much money war makes. Is every war a hoax? Or is war seen as an opportunity by some to profit?

I'm not saying it ISN'T a hoax. What I am saying is that I haven't seen evidence of it being a hoax. People profiting from crises (as they have always done) does not make it a hoax.

No matter where the virus has come from, it is a public health crisis - the evidence of that in the UK is overwhelming.

So I am politely asking you to keep COVID19 conspiracies in the appropriate forum, or at least off this thread. The moderator of GU has also requested that conspiracy theories are posted in the Spiderline forum.

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posted January 19, 2021 03:50 PM            

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Originally posted by todd:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
[b] No ridicule from me Todd. My position is that I've yet to see any hard evidence that COVID19 is a hoax. Just because some elite figures stand to benefit from a pandemic, does not automatically render it a hoax. Just think of how much money war makes. Is every war a hoax? Or is war seen as an opportunity by some to profit?

I'm not saying it ISN'T a hoax. What I am saying is that I haven't seen evidence of it being a hoax. People profiting from crises (as they have always done) does not make it a hoax.

No matter where the virus has come from, it is a public health crisis - the evidence of that in the UK is overwhelming.

So I am politely asking you to keep COVID19 conspiracies in the appropriate forum, or at least off this thread. The moderator of GU has also requested that conspiracy theories are posted in the Spiderline forum.

Data from the CDC is not conspiracy.
You can not rebut these facts so you choose to ignore them
Where are the missing 350000 deaths in CDC ?books?[/B]

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I'm happy to consider what you are saying if you actually produce something for me to review e.g. a link to a study or report. If you are saying that report A doesn't match data B, then by all means present A and B so I can see what you are saying. Currently you're just telling me stuff.

posted January 20, 2021 06:00 PM            

A study at john university was taken down because it showed total deaths were no different than previous years in US.

2010:2.5 million
2011:2.5
2012:2.5
2013:2.6
2014:2.6
2015:2.7
2016:2.7
2017:2.8
2018:2.8
2019:2.9
2020:2.5 as No

posted January 21, 2021 12:46 AM            

It's news reminds me of a public outcry in the UK when a bunch of university students informed the media that they had been employed by their local County Council to count lampposts. The media reported this fact as proof that local authorities were wasting public monies and doing nothing worthwhile.

However, the truth was that the Council was being charged for electricity on the basis of an estimated number of street lamps in the Council's geographical area - because neither they nor the Electricity Board had a record of the actual number of functioning lamps in the locality. And, when the latter was produced (via the student's count) the County Council's electricity bill was reduced by some £1M per annum - as the number of lamps had been significantly overestimated.

posted January 21, 2021 05:56 AM            

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She said: "One of the things we've noticed has been a certain group of people who have covid.

"From the point at which they need some oxygen to the point at which they start to deteriorate, they can deteriorate and die very quickly."

The rapid effect of covid pneumonia means the team has ensured each department knows they are always available by phone or by pager so they reach people in time.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19026513.palliative-care-consultant-fiona-finlay-speaks-pressures-covid-queen-elizabeth-hospital-service/?ref=ebln

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posted January 21, 2021 05:59 AM            

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Originally posted by todd:
Beforeitsnews.com
Total deaths in 2020
No different to previous years

A study at john university was taken down because it showed total deaths were no different than previous years in US.

2010:2.5 million
2011:2.5
2012:2.5
2013:2.6
2014:2.6
2015:2.7
2016:2.7
2017:2.8
2018:2.8
2019:2.9
2020:2.5 as No

A Dr kauphman also found the the first 4 months of 2020 did not show 150000 deaths more than previous years 2017,2018,2019 .he was fired.

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Todd, please show the actual studies. You're still just telling people what to think. Here's a better idea. Rather than this derailing a thread about COVID19 news in the UK, why don't you start a thread where you post the actual studies for people to make their minds up? Not articles about studies, the actual studies. I would be interested to read them. As for studies being taken down, a cursory look indicates that quite a few studies have now been done on COVID19, so it shouldn't be hard to find what you are looking for.

posted January 21, 2021 06:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
beforeitsnews.com looks like a biased information source to me.

It's news reminds me of a public outcry in the UK when a bunch of university students informed the media that they had been employed by their local County Council to count lampposts. The media reported this fact as proof that local authorities were wasting public monies and doing nothing worthwhile.

However, the truth was that the Council was being charged for electricity on the basis of an estimated number of street lamps in the Council's geographical area - because neither they nor the Electricity Board had a record of the actual number of functioning lamps in the locality. And, when the latter was produced (via the student's count) the County Council's electricity bill was reduced by some £1M per annum - as the number of lamps had been significantly overestimated.

However ... the people chose to believe the media, "because the money-wasting Council employee's were 'obviously' making the story up".

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Yes. Nonsense like this happens all the time. I'm glad you know how to read research properly Graham. People think I am being condescending when I say you can't read a study like you read a newspaper or a novel. I am not. It is a totally different type of reading and you need to practice it to actually understand what it is you are reading. You don't need to have been a researcher or have a research degree (although it helps), but just understand the basics of scientific research language in order to understand the terms and implications of the results and conclusions of a study. Studies are [presented in such a way that it is easy to imply that it says one thing, when it actually says another, or nothing. Many studies do not have conclusive results, but researchers feel under pressure to get published and so they try to bend a conclusion out of an inconclusive study. You need a keen eye sometimes to spot this.

For this reason, it can be quite easy to bend a study to a narrative, at least to untrained eyes. This is not the purpose of the studies being left relatively open, it is simply because most topics are ongoing areas of research, and ultimate conclusions are created with lost of little fragments (studies), all building on the previous little fragments. To get a big picture understanding of anything, you are best to do (or find) a systematic review of all studies on that topic.

posted January 21, 2021 06:43 AM            

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LONDON (Reuters) - England’s lockdown is having some impact in reducing pressure on the National Health Service, education minister Gavin Williamson said on Thursday, as Britain tries to stem a deadly winter wave of the coronavirus.

While deaths have been rising, the number of new cases has fallen from a peak of 68,000 on Jan 8 to 38,000.

“The evidence that we’ve been seeing is that it’s actually, it has been having an impact in terms of relieving some of that pressure on the NHS,” Williamson told Sky News, adding that the government looked at all evidence available.
http://www.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-britain/english-lockdown-is-helping-to-relieve-pressure-on-health-system-education-minister-says-idUSKBN29Q0QW

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posted January 28, 2021 07:07 AM            

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A man making false and misleading statements about Covid-19 tried to remove a sick coronavirus patient from East Surrey Hospital, and is wanted by police.

The man filmed himself arguing with doctors in the ward, demanding to be allowed to take the patient home. Doctors at the hospital are seen in the video warning against such an action - stating that the patient would die if he left their care.

It follows a trend of people filming supposedly "empty hospitals" and then posting them online and encouraging others to do the same, spread on social media platforms.

In a statement, Michael Wilson, chief executive of Surrey and Sussex Healthcare NHS Trust, said: "Any suggestion that Covid-19 doesn't exist or isn't serious is not only extremely disrespectful to the NHS staff caring for patients affected by the virus, but it also puts the lives of others at risk."

The video has been shared thousands of times on social media. The man behind the camera makes a number of discredited claims - albeit ones that are very popular in Covid-19 conspiracy communities online.

What's wrong with his statements?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/55825480

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posted January 28, 2021 04:02 PM              

It's called "cherry picking". How many wars for example in the last 50 or so years that have been fought and that many nations have partaken in, that were actually just, necessary, and not about resources, control, or strategic positioning for future resources or power plays?

Skepticism of corporate media and government is not only healthy, but necessary considering how often the commoners are lied to and manipulated by these forces which seem to be ever more populated and/or strongly influenced by people in the ASPD spectrum.

But hey, let's talk about lamps if it supports our narrative and belief system. Here's a big clue of where to put that spotlight of cynicism, skepticism, and discernment on when it comes to government (which is so influenced by banking and big business): apply it more so when huge sums of money or control of the masses are involved. When it comes to little and less important things, they are much less apt to lie and deceive. There is no real gain to be had in such cases and it takes too much time, resources, money, and effort to deceive and manipulate in such cases.

posted January 28, 2021 04:24 PM            

Please don't assume I am lost, you need to be careful with that.

posted January 28, 2021 04:52 PM              

I have a friend that works in a hospital on the outskirts of a major, major US city (millions of people), and he says that not once that he has observed has the ICU been overly stressed or even been all that busy.

Where does that leave us? Different factors and things to consider, I reckon.

I was speaking more generally and impersonally earlier and not focusing on anyone in particular. My only specific reference was to lamps, which is what Graham brought up, and I brought it up in a larger holistic context of yeah, of course governments do tell the truth at times, but certainly not always.

I was not implying anything about you personally.

posted January 28, 2021 06:48 PM            

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Todd, please show the actual studies. You're still just telling people what to think. Here's a better idea. Rather than this derailing a thread about COVID19 news in the UK, why don't you start a thread where you post the actual studies for people to make their minds up? Not articles about studies, the actual studies. I would be interested to read them. As for studies being taken down, a cursory look indicates that quite a few studies have now been done on COVID19, so it shouldn't be hard to find what you are looking for.

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posted January 28, 2021 07:08 PM            

15% mortality rate .we have to destroy societbut now the CDC says..mortality rate is about the same as flu ,
.2%

Oh my god millions are testing positive for covid.
but now NIH says that PCR than run over 30 cycles are massively in error.most hospitals run between 37-40 cycles so all these rates are false positives.up to 97% of PCR determinations are wrong

Now its wear 3 masks..funny the CDC reviewed 16 scientific studies about masks in may 2020 and all these studies said mask don't affect the transmission of virus...so wear 3 more that don't do anything

God help us 450000 dead..whoops those 450000 deaths don't show upon the CDC totals for the year.the number deaths are the same as the last 10 years corrected to population growth.

The medical/political/corporate powers have been lying about everything since the beginning.

posted January 28, 2021 07:18 PM            

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[b]Covid: Surgery suspended as Dumfries and Galloway cases surge

[QUOTE]A "massive surge" of Covid cases in Dumfries and Galloway has prompted the suspension of some surgery at the region's hospitals.

Health officials said they had made the "very difficult decision" to halt some elective operations.

The number of Covid cases has risen sharply in the region with many of them the new, more transmissible strain.

NHS Dumfries and Galloway said it was facing a challenge "unlike anything we have confronted to date".

The health board said the number of cases had multiplied more than six times in a single week with nearly 90% of them a new, more highly transmissible strain - compared with a national average of about 54%.

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posted January 28, 2021 07:29 PM            

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That number is actually 3.1 million, an increase in 12% from previous year

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posted January 29, 2021 05:29 AM            

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Originally posted by todd:
I gave site where the article is.I use a phone so I can't copy and paste .I'm not going to spoon feed your information,
But ignoring a article is a good way to deny it.

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I'm not going to accept an article as fact unless I can access the data it is based on. That's just good practice.

To be frank Todd, AT THE MOMENT, I really don't care about where the virus has come from or agendas that may be behind its origin. I am worried for the lives of the people around me first and foremost. My partner's son has been very ill for 3 weeks now with it and my boss's brother is in ICU, he's already had a heart attack and struggling to accept ventilation. Maybe if someone in your life was ill your priorities would be different also.

I assure you, once everyone is safe, I will be asking the same questions, but it is not my priority just now. If you bring me studies I will read them, but no article is going to convince me that this virus is harmless when I can see with my own eyes it is not. Partner's son is mid-twenties btw, no health issues.

posted January 29, 2021 05:30 AM            

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Originally posted by todd:
This happened in the US,surgery put off to treat the covid victims,but you know what after this was reported. Many hospitals were contemplating bankruptcy in the US because the great wave never materialized just as the media said they were swamped.

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Well, it has undoubtedly materialised in the UK.