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Topic: Where’s The Flu?
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 136201 From: Your Friendly Neighborhood Juris Doctorate. Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 30, 2020 07:35 PM
The average positivity rate for the flu is 15 percent. This year, that dropped to almost nothing (.1 percent).IP: Logged |
juniperb Moderator Posts: 11937 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 30, 2020 08:37 PM
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teasel Knowflake Posts: 16942 From: http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?action=viewprofile;username=u36170365 Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 30, 2020 09:27 PM
Since doctors are working overtime on the covid patients, maybe they aren’t as available to those with the regular flu. Maybe people who have it, are doing their best by themselves. I haven’t been to a doctor for the flu, since I was a kid (and we didn’t need insurance to do so). We also still have flu shots. Things like cancer still exist, too. Seriously, stop with the conspiracy theories. It is really sad to see how many people will run with anything they think will convince some people to keep a fascist in office. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 136201 From: Your Friendly Neighborhood Juris Doctorate. Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 30, 2020 10:46 PM
I saw the chart on a FOX News story, which was quite incredible to see. That’s where I got the stats I gave. I found a source (CDC) that shows an even steeper decline (from 20 percent to .33 percent). http://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/uritheflu/88676#:~:text=Influenza%20positivity%20rates%20in%20specimens%20tested%20%28a%20standard,PhD%2C%20of%20the%20CDC%20in%20Atla nta%2C%20and%20colleagues.IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer Moderator Posts: 3242 From: Sound Registered: Aug 2011
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posted December 31, 2020 05:22 AM
In the UK for the first time ever, the flu vaccine was made available to everyone in the country and everyone was encouraged to get it, no matter their health or age. This was to reduce the yearly pressure of flu patients on the NHS (which, I may add is in a state of emergency in parts of England). Perhaps flu simply isn't being recorded in the US with as much effort as there is a bigger threat to worry about this year? ------------------ Face a situation fearlessly, and there is no situation to face ~ Florence Scovel Shinn ~ IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 16942 From: http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?action=viewprofile;username=u36170365 Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 31, 2020 06:32 AM
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teasel Knowflake Posts: 16942 From: http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?action=viewprofile;username=u36170365 Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 31, 2020 06:33 AM
quote: Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer: In the UK for the first time ever, the flu vaccine was made available to everyone in the country and everyone was encouraged to get it, no matter their health or age. This was to reduce the yearly pressure of flu patients on the NHS (which, I may add is in a state of emergency in parts of England). Perhaps flu simply isn't being recorded in the US with as much effort as there is a bigger threat to worry about this year?
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iQ Moderator Posts: 6295 From: Lyra Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 31, 2020 07:39 AM
Those with Flu are thanking God that they did not get COVID19, and are taking care of themselves with basic Vitamins, Soup and Rest. Flu rarely needs Ventilators and ICU Bed Treatment. In my Factory, four employees got Flu since April, only one got COVID19. The COVID19 patient needed 7 days treatment, and luckily no ICU Treatment.Clear cut difference in Symptoms. In Flu, there is sneezing, runny nose, temperature will not cross 100 F, and it will end with some coughing and phlegm. COVID19 will first lead to 103 F fever, cause extreme pain in the Lungs/Chest, no running nose, no phlegm, painful dry cough, delirium, lack of smell/taste, muscle weakness, sleeplessness and weightloss. COVID19 also thickness the blood of Blood Group A Patients, creating death by Heart Attacks. History will NOT BE KIND to those who LIED that COVID19 is just a Flu. It is a MILDER VARIANT of a Bio Weapon. You can argue whether China released the Bio-Weapon by accident or on purpose, or whether Illuminati released multiple Bio-Weapons across all target countries and create a "Lock Down", "Financial Reset" etc But it is not some natural Flu. ------------------ Astrology Articles New Services and short readings IP: Logged |
LuckyLeo Knowflake Posts: 111 From: Registered: Dec 2011
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posted December 31, 2020 01:09 PM
Wow that is a HUGE drop. I don’t know what to make of it exactly. I don’t think it’s due to people with the flu avoiding seeking medicial attention. Wouldn’t most people who came down with flu-like symptoms over the past few months definitely seek out medical attention because they’d want to confirm it wasn’t COVID? I don’t believe that tons of people who experienced symptoms during a pandemic decided to self-diagnose it as a non-COVID illness, not get tested and stay home with their bowl of soup. I do not think that is happening, at least not on a large scale in the U.S. Maybe the measures people are taking to prevent COVID are preventing some flu cases but it seems unlikely that could eliminate the flu entirely. Hmm, odd. IP: Logged |
iQ Moderator Posts: 6295 From: Lyra Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 31, 2020 04:05 PM
In Urban India, the very intense hand sanitization protocls and cleanser spraying in every establishment has minimized the spread of the common cold. Plus, most Flu/COmmon COld comes from school kids. Every kid passes it to every other kid, and that is also Zero this year as no schooling since March 2020.The Statistics to really look into is how many ICU Beds were used for Flu from 2000 AD versus how many ICU Beds are being allocated to COVID19 Patients. And whether Mobile Morgues were ever used in such huge numbers since 2000 AD. The Death Rate is Extremely high this year in USA. Interestingly, Flu Cases are very low in countries like Vietnam, Taiwan etc too. Have to study this more but if consistent, then it means the disinfection and Sanitization Protocls have helped wipe out spread of Common Cold. IP: Logged |
MarsSaturnDelight Knowflake Posts: 392 From: Registered: Dec 2014
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posted December 31, 2020 04:17 PM
There could be many reasons for this, it’s not unheard of clinically.Pathogens compete with each other for nutrients, including respiratory viruses. IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer Moderator Posts: 3242 From: Sound Registered: Aug 2011
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posted January 01, 2021 05:47 AM
quote: Originally posted by MarsSaturnDelight: There could be many reasons for this, it’s not unheard of clinically.Pathogens compete with each other for nutrients, including respiratory viruses.
That's interesting. So likely this, in combination with increased hygiene measures, less socialising and more vaccination could account for the reduction in flu cases. Misdiagnoses shouldn't account for this unless the COVID-19 tests are grossly inaccurate. I do also believe many may have avoided going to the GP. I've had flu several times, and have only ever attended the GP once when I became pretty ill when it had progressed to pneumonia. ------------------ Face a situation fearlessly, and there is no situation to face ~ Florence Scovel Shinn ~ IP: Logged |
MarsSaturnDelight Knowflake Posts: 392 From: Registered: Dec 2014
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posted January 01, 2021 08:03 AM
quote: Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer: That's interesting. So likely this, in combination with increased hygiene measures, less socialising and more vaccination could account for the reduction in flu cases. Misdiagnoses shouldn't account for this unless the COVID-19 tests are grossly inaccurate. I do also believe many may have avoided going to the GP. I've had flu several times, and have only ever attended the GP once when I became pretty ill when it had progressed to pneumonia.
Yep, it’s an accumulative effect of the recent circumstances, including this. IP: Logged |
Belage Knowflake Posts: 3692 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 01, 2021 01:06 PM
Some of the answers given are: 1) Social distancing, masks, handwashing and increased sanitations killed flu contagion 2) People got the flu vaccine 3) People successfully self treated when they got the flu. My thoughts: 1) why didn't social distancing handwashing, mask wearing and all the increased sanitation kill Covid contagion too? 2) Flu vaccine: no information is available on now many Americans got the flu vaccine this year. Certainly not the number that would be required to create ZERO flu incidences. 3) People self treating does not explain where the flu went, and if it did, then we need to start a national push to have people exclusively self-treating for flu in the coming years. IP: Logged |
Belage Knowflake Posts: 3692 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 01, 2021 01:09 PM
Speaking of the US only:Some of us have been talking about how this is a diagnostic game, a diagnostic scam, where Covid deaths have been overinflated and have absorbed many other deaths. A couple of MN lawmakers who have actually investigated thousands of covid death certificates in their state have asked for a national audit of corona deaths. They are saying that Covid deaths are overestimated by 40%: https://www.bitchute.com/video/hRBQJvZpTXk5/ This to me could explain why the flu is practically gone in the US. IP: Logged |
iQ Moderator Posts: 6295 From: Lyra Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 01, 2021 04:22 PM
Good Questions @Belage<< 1) why didn't social distancing handwashing, mask wearing and all the increased sanitation kill Covid contagion too? >> Americans, British, Italians and French were a bit indisciplined in all the above on a daily basis. Sanitization was neglected by the newly Deregulated Corporations, simple example being Tyson Foods. Korea, Vietnam, Taiwan and Japan were far more disciplined. << 2) Flu vaccine: no information is available on now many Americans got the flu vaccine this year. Certainly not the number that would be required to create ZERO flu incidences. >> True, Flu Vaccine is not even 70% effective. But the lack of Children in schools eliminated 99% of Flu Carriers. << 3) People self treating does not explain where the flu went, and if it did, then we need to start a national push to have people exclusively self-treating for flu in the coming years. >> Agree, please note the point on School Children. Ask parents of school kids in America. When Child 1 in Desk 1 Gets the FLu, it ultimately reaches Child N in the Last Desk. And all their parents and siblings. ------------------ Astrology Articles New Services and short readings IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer Moderator Posts: 3242 From: Sound Registered: Aug 2011
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posted January 02, 2021 05:42 AM
Everyone is making good points. One thing that I think causes difficulty in figuring this out globally is the different health care systems. I think it may be easier (or more visible) to profiteer from some than others, although all theoretically can be corrupted and exploited. The issue of categorising deaths as COVID-19 deaths when other health issues have been present, has also arisen in the UK. The motive may not necessarily be to panic or control people. For example, for trusts and hospitals to get the resources they need, they need to demonstrate that there is a demand. Resources in the UK are notoriously slow in coming, and the government has been believed to have been chipping away at our NHS for decades. I could see a slight manipulation of numbers in order that services can secure what they need to cope should the situation worsen. Looking at the hospitals in some parts of England, if there was over inflation in numbers (or strategic diagnoses) to get increased resources to cope with the pandemic, then even that wasn't enough as they are on the verge of being overwhelmed. ------------------ Face a situation fearlessly, and there is no situation to face ~ Florence Scovel Shinn ~ IP: Logged |
Belage Knowflake Posts: 3692 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 02, 2021 12:27 PM
quote: Originally posted by iQ: Good Questions @Belage<< 1) why didn't social distancing handwashing, mask wearing and all the increased sanitation kill Covid contagion too? >> Americans, British, Italians and French were a bit indisciplined in all the above on a daily basis. Sanitization was neglected by the newly Deregulated Corporations, simple example being Tyson Foods. Korea, Vietnam, Taiwan and Japan were far more disciplined. << 2) Flu vaccine: no information is available on now many Americans got the flu vaccine this year. Certainly not the number that would be required to create ZERO flu incidences. >> True, Flu Vaccine is not even 70% effective. But the lack of Children in schools eliminated 99% of Flu Carriers. << 3) People self treating does not explain where the flu went, and if it did, then we need to start a national push to have people exclusively self-treating for flu in the coming years. >> Agree, please note the point on School Children. Ask parents of school kids in America. When Child 1 in Desk 1 Gets the FLu, it ultimately reaches Child N in the Last Desk. And all their parents and siblings.
I am taking note of the point on school children, and it seems valid as children when normally together (Pre-Covid) would not practice any social distancing and will be all over each other coughing and sneezing. However the estimate that children are 99% of Flu Carriers seemed rather high to me all things considered, so I researched online and couldn't find any confirmation of the high percentage you stated.
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iQ Moderator Posts: 6295 From: Lyra Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 02, 2021 03:12 PM
Intuitive Calculation. My reasoning: We have data that during the Peak Swine Flu Pandemic, almost 60 million Americans were infected. and 12000 perished. This was 2010. Now suddenly there is more than 99% reduction in Influenza numbers, and 100% of School Children are home. I just aligned those points. Do note, that if COVID19 was just a Flu weaker than Swine Flu, which was quite Nasty, then the total deaths should have only been 1200 or so. Not 350000. This article gives another perspective: http://www.healthline.com/health-news/covid19-is-surging-but-flu-cases-are-down#Flu-vaccination-rates-this-year IP: Logged |