posted January 09, 2021 08:17 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Both of these guys, Biden and Trump, are very far from good presidential material.

Folks just don't get it, do they? The psychopathic plutocrats of the world (i.e. the heads of centuries old banks, and the mega corporations), want the common people at each others throats and believing in and fighting for this "left vs right" divide and polarization.

They THEMSELVES do not partake in same but via corporate media and public government try to foster division and separation between us, so that we do not focus on the real enemy--THEM. They fund and play both sides as is necessary and convenient for them. Why else did the DNC undermine and sabotage Sanders twice in a row now, when he had a very good chance of winning both presidential elections?

Because he would have been a true change agent and would have started the process of rooting out corruption which is enmeshed in both "sides". The biggest problem in both sides and all politics is, and always has been, special interests and big money i.e. CORRUPTION.

So keep falling for this b.s. facade and falling for their trap, cause that's really going to help things. These plutocrats probably laugh at us for fighting among ourselves, rather than uniting and realizing that we actually have far more in common with each other than the billionaires and covert trillionaires that actually run this world.

But pick your stupid football team (or more aptly, WWE wrestler), and rarara your side while denigrating the other side. So constructive, so balanced, so "woke".

F'cking broken record, and you're all just so blind. Seriously, completely, utterly blind and being led to your own "soft" enslavement. If it wasn't for the Creative Forces via nature going to be intervening in the near future, I would have zero hope for humanity. I would have thought that people interested in astrology, metaphysics, and/or spirituality might be a little more awake and conscious, but clearly not.

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i agree with you 100% actually

posted January 09, 2021 10:15 PM            

And berating people for being duped by very clever, and practiced at manipulation, psychopaths, isn't going to help anything either, so I guess I'm being somewhat a hypocrite as well.

posted January 09, 2021 11:20 PM            

Also, Bernie Sanders sabotaged himself by not being disciplined enough. How could one possibly win a party's nomination while speaking poorly of it? It was not inspiring to those outside of the Bernie camp. That's why it turned out that his base hadn't really grown much.

posted January 10, 2021 12:22 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Yeah, I was over generalizing some. I know there are some folks here that get this, but unfortunately just not enough to matter or change the tides. I don't know why I allow myself to get upset and angry about this, when I know that it's all going to collapse anyways.

And berating people for being duped by very clever, and practiced at manipulation, psychopaths, isn't going to help anything either, so I guess I'm being somewhat a hypocrite as well.

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can only try, but yeah it's basically just about watching things unfold

posted January 10, 2021 03:32 AM            

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Originally posted by AcousticGod:
Bernie Sanders had a slight chance of winning 2016 and zero chance of winning 2020. Either way, though, to suggest that the DNC was responsible for either result reflects not understanding how elections work. It also reveals that you don't understand the powers the DNC does and does not have. The only way one arrives at these conclusions is by allowing certain narratives to take hold that were never true. Bernie's campaign has sadly fomented these ideas.

Also, Bernie Sanders sabotaged himself by not being disciplined enough. How could one possibly win a party's nomination while speaking poorly of it? It was not inspiring to those outside of the Bernie camp. That's why it turned out that his base hadn't really grown much.

Keep paying attention. Question your assumptions.

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One could have a very long and nuanced discussion about this, as things are not so simple nor black and white either way. The people that fund the DNC also are heavily involved with corporate media and media can help to slant things to what they want us to think, perceive, believe, etc.

However, I will address the above indirectly. The below doesn't directly address the DNC, and yet it clearly indicates that our "democracy" is not really a democracy and is completely broken.

http://youtu.be/PJy8vTu66tE

posted January 10, 2021 03:49 PM            

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I’m not talking about paying someone to do your taxes or taking the responsibility to learn on your own.

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Nor was I. Read again.

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Try building a luxury structure from the ground up, turning a broken building into a luxurious one, and building an international brand that means the top echelon of attainment. Then I might listen to you.

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I don't think I could avoid paying contractors and falling into bankruptcy enough to follow in his footsteps.

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Businesses get bogged down with regulations.

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As a person whose spent a lot of years in a heavily regulated industry, I can affirm that this assumption is false. The problems aren't with the regulations but rather the business leaders who can't figure out how to work with them.

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As just one example of taxes, investing in new equipment had to be depreciated. With the Trump tax cuts, the entire amount can be deducted in one year. That encourages investing in new equipment and hiring new workers.

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There have LONG been business incentives. Some people even advocate for taking away corporate welfare. Depreciation wasn't invented with Trump even if he cut down the time on it.

With regard to highways, have we been suffering under wait times?

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You just don’t understand capitalism.

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You know liberals do Capitalism better, right? Who puts the "elites" in liberal elites?

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Obama created so many new regulations that it choked out so much potential.

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False...as evidenced by his ever-growing economy.

Let's just acknowledge that you're full of opinions and assumptions that are just plain untrue.

posted January 10, 2021 04:03 PM            

I applaud you for posting a video that is from a person worth listening to (versus some second-rate opinion-holder that I was kind of expecting - not because of you, but because of the quality of information many people seem to like on this forum).

posted January 11, 2021 01:22 AM            

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Originally posted by PhoenixRising:
>>> If voting mattered, you can damn well be assured THEY wouldn't let us do it. --- Mark Twain

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posted January 11, 2021 09:09 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Yeah, I was over generalizing some. I know there are some folks here that get this, but unfortunately just not enough to matter or change the tides. I don't know why I allow myself to get upset and angry about this, when I know that it's all going to collapse anyways.

And berating people for being duped by very clever, and practiced at manipulation, psychopaths, isn't going to help anything either, so I guess I'm being somewhat a hypocrite as well.

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I do care, and I get really tired of the assumptions. Does anyone care about the Q folks buying an arsenal of weapons, preparing for something they have no proof of? I saw an account last night, re-posting fake news, in order to alarm people. They supported an actual terrorist attack last week, and are now doubling down, with trump and others dealing with consequences for a change. “It’s happening folks! It’s no longer a conspiracy!” As Trump gets banned long after he should have been. “If they can do it to the president, they can do it to you!” Of course they can, he was banned from Twitter!

Most of us are burnt the f*ck out, and can only deal with so much. We know the earth is in trouble, we know that we will still have to fight for what we need. That doesn’t mean that we just give up. I don’t see what we are supposed to do with what you’ve said. If anyone has a concrete plan that a lot of us could work with, without shooting anyone, please! Then lay it out for us. I have a gut, too. I follow it when I can. We all do. You tell us to go within - well, I do.

But, sure, we’re all stupid puppets, who have no idea about anything. It’s a wonder that I can make it to the shower by myself.

posted January 11, 2021 03:45 PM            

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If you can't understand the simple connection of those events with job growth, then you are not up to the task of engaging me with a discussion on these matters. Such is an exercise in futility for me.

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Ha!

posted January 11, 2021 08:50 PM            

I think you're a generally intelligent, fairly perceptive, and definitely caring kind of person, but I sometimes get the sense that you believe corporate media too much tbh and align too much with the identity of being "liberal/part of the left". That identification, much like a religion or any kind of belief system or group think, will have a narrowing and distorting effect on perception. It's why I don't and won't ever call or think of self as this or that, or part of this or that group whether political, religious, social, etc. Though I essentially follow the teachings of Yeshua, I don't call myself "Christian". Though I eat mostly vegan and vegetarian, I don't say I'm a vegan, vegetarian or pescetarian. These are perceptual, belief system traps that I try to avoid.

It allows me to remain more objective and not be as influenced by group think. Group think and belief are the enemies of truth. Jupitarians like myself may be preachy and a bit much at times, but we are obsessed with higher truth and put that above all else.

I'll give you a very clear and recent example. You denigrated the term, and people using the term of "elites" not long ago. I pointed out to you that it was not a "conspiracy theory", but very much a fact. I shared with you an excellent TedX talk by a Harvard Professor talking about an extensive political study done by Princeton saying how corrupt the US political system is, and how ELITES run it. The Princeton study even used that specific term!

Never heard anything back from you. I don't think you're a blind puppet, but you're not willing to question your own beliefs and more so the group think of those you align with enough. And you seem to have a rabid dislike of the right which at times distorts your perceptions to when they sometimes do say or speak truth. They are not wrong ALL the time, just as liberals are not right ALL the time. That is such a simplistic, two dimensional view of reality and human perception.

It needs to go out the window. The trick is, not personally identifying with either. And I would say that sometimes I get the sense that you take things too personally at times, when at times, its not even directed directly towards you. This is not a surprise as you have a very strong focus on the Personal Signs.

I fully recognize that in a personal sense, I should tone it down. Though I am usually speaking generally and impersonally, there is no point in blasting people for these short comings of perception. We're up against some very clever, very manipulative, very practiced, very rich, very connected ******** , and I need to have more compassion and empathy for that fact. I've just been feeling more angry lately and sometimes my method of venting is to rant about things in a more general and impersonal way--precisely so I don't narrow in on people in a personal and direct sense. Anytime I do partake in the latter, I always end up feeling really ****** about it. I really dislike the thought and feeling of possibly hurting another.

posted January 11, 2021 11:36 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Randall, Trump can’t string together coherent sentences. He makes no sense, most of the time. Biden has speech issues that he’s admitted to, and isn’t ashamed of. A friend of mine has a very smart and kind little girl, who has the same kind of speech issues, and now she gets to see that it won’t hold her back from great things (if she wants to try for anything like this in her lifetime).

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