posted February 15, 2021 06:38 PM            

I do wear masks because they are mandatory but I don't support the mandate.

I am sorry for your loss. Covid deaths are especially hard because they often die alone without their loved ones around them. Two thngs I want to say:

1) Most of the people dying of Covid also have other co-morbidities (not saying this is the case for your loved one). My problem is, why aren't we also passionate in urging the population do lifestyle adjustments that would minimize their risks of Covid deaths? Where are the campaigns to tackle the epidemic of diabetes & obesity in this country in view of the fact that these have a high morbidity for Covid? i have relatives who are overweight/obese, and I dare not suggest they lose weight, for fear of offending them. But they like to put down people who do not wear masks.

The authorities have closed gyms which to me is the stupidest thing. How many people have gained weight with the lockdown and put their bodies more at risk of Covid complications?

2) Real Covid treatment with cheap HCQ and Yvimectin and Zinc and vitamin supplements are being suppressed. Where is the outcry? There are doctors who have paid a heavy price in being honest and outspoken about their success in using those more inexpensive drugs, vs the expensive ones pushed by Big pharma. Do you ever ask yourself, could my loved ones have been saved if they had used those cheaper drugs instead? Why are we trusting the same companies that brought us the opioid crisis just a few years ago?

Real conversations about treatments are being suppressed. Real conversations about supporting people in getting healthier are not being had. Instead, we obsess about masks as the solution.

Those are things that weight heavily on my heart when someone tells me they have lost someone to Covid.

posted February 15, 2021 08:52 PM            

“Roads in Dallas are snowy and icy and the government is telling me to stay home or I might die. But this is infringing on my FREEDOM and we need to keep the economy OPEN. I will drive the speed limit on untreated overpasses because I REFUSE to live in fear.“

posted February 15, 2021 08:55 PM            

This is a very complicated issue but I think we can all agree losing a family member sucks

posted February 15, 2021 09:36 PM            

The snow levels are so high and problematic because we measure them so much. People tell me we measure snow more than anyone else. If we stopped measuring snow and taking temperatures we would be fine.
http://twitter.com/joeborden/status/1361185281588617224?s=20

a month ago they said the roads were fine! WHICH IS IT, SCIENTISTS?!
http://twitter.com/redoverred/status/1361156332091449344?s=20

99.9% survival rate
http://twitter.com/smeesq/status/1361178699765145601?s=20

And anyone who's afraid that you might broadside them should just stay home! After all, you're only responsible for your own safety, not theirs.
http://twitter.com/HoferFan/status/1361192792400089091?s=20

We should send the elderly to do all of our errands.

Grandparents should be willing to sacrifice themselves for their families.
http://twitter.com/einman_susan/status/1361372064335204352?s=20

Funny how we’re not hearing about hurricanes any more. It’s all snow, snow, snow in the MSM
http://twitter.com/DrewBino/status/1361432780207489024?s=20

These traffic accidents aren’t **due to** the weather, they’re accidents **with complications from** the weather. Those cars were all gonna crash anyway, but they’re blaming them on the weather to boost the numbers.

posted February 16, 2021 12:18 AM              

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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:
Its easy to talk about being controlled and surveilled about covid until you lose someone you love to this pandemic, which I have.

I hope none of that happens to you.

Wear a mask for god sakes you will save someones life.

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I'm sorry for the pain of your specific loss.

Speaking for self, I do not see death as a big deal whatsoever. If my spouse and her body, whom I am very close to, died, yes, of course I would be sad and miss her, but at the same time, I would also be happy for her, because she gets to leave this very slow vibratory and suffering filled dimension to focus in much faster vibratory, lighter, and happier dimensions.

Guides/helpers and nonphysically focused individuals in general, when a individual here in the physical has their physical body die, and they are released into the nonphysical dimensions, they see this as a joyous birth into their realms.

I have had a fair amount of nonphysical and spiritual type experiences (some with definite verification far beyond statistical chance), hence I'm fairly sure at this point that 1. our consciousness survives death, and 2. many of the nonphysical dimensions are far, far, far more enjoyable than this dimension.

It's natural to feel grief as a human when a loved one leaves this world/level, but it's actually more our physical body that feels/experiences it than our Soul and Expanded self level. The latter levels and parts of us, are far more aware of the Oneness/interconnection of the Whole than our bodies and intellects are. That part of us is already communicating constantly with various loved ones both in and out of the physical. There is no real "disconnection" and what disconnection there seems to be, is an illusion and doesn't even need to be there.

One can learn to attune to the nonphysical levels and learn to directly communicate with folks focused there, as I have with my mother.

My mother and I were/are very close. I was born on her birthday. She had me, her first born after being told that she would never successfully have children due to childhood illness/body imbalances. For awhile, the doctors seemed correct, as she had miscarriage after miscarriage.

She had a very intense and interesting dream when she was pregnant with me (ET/UFO related). Anyways, longer story shorter, obviously she successfully had me on her birthday and she was extremely happy and appreciative. She loved/loves me A LOT.

Anyways, when I was 16, she got sick with cancer. Somehow miraculously pulled through, got better for awhile, and then a few years later, she got rapidly sick again with cancer and her body died shortly after. Of course this was not easy on our family, and especially me who had an unusual and intensely close connection with her.

A year after she died, on the day (didn't realize it at the time consciously), I tried to leave this world--there was A LOT of stuff going on at the same time that was very difficult/challening.

Anyways, point being, I'm very well acquainted with the pain and experience of loss in relation close loved ones to health problems and death. But, as I've become more aware, I've realized that there is NO reason for me to be sad that she is not here anymore. I've had communications with her here and there, sometimes in dreams and sometimes in meditation.

She's doing great, very happy, very much alive and in some ways, far more alive than she was when she was focused here connected to a dense, slow vibratory body in this dense, slow vibratory dimension.

I have probably read hundred NDE accounts over the years. One of the most common and consistent things found between accounts? Most people say that when they were in the nonphysical dimensions, these felt and seemed so much more real to them than the physical did. Ironically, that is backwards of how many humans seem to view the whole thing. We seem to think the physical is the most "real" and the nonphysical is kind of ephemeral and/or illusionary.

Somewhat related. My grandfather died a little over a year and a half ago. My grandmother misses him, and her body is falling apart. She has told me that she hope she goes soon. If she happens to get Covid, and her body does die, tell me, should I rage at Covid or thank it for being a mercy? In her case, I would be thankful.

This is not to say that we shouldn't try to keep bodies alive--especially those that want to stay alive. Of course. But the way that government and bureaucratic health organizations around the globe have gone about this whole "Covid protection" thing, sadly, it has been the most vulnerable be most affected despite all the restrictions.

Nursing homes/care facilities in particular have been hit very hard in many countries. I use to work in home with elderly people. It was one of my first "real" jobs back in the day. I saw first hand how lonely, how isolated, etc a percentage of elderly folks were. Also, how in a number of cases their bodies were being artificially kept alive despite both physical and/or mental/emotional suffering.

Truthfully and speaking from experience/observation, in a percentage of such cases, death certainly would be a welcome release to their Souls, especially if they knew what awaited them.

But some (many?) seem to want to view everything in a purely physical manner, as if this world was all that matters. That is a very, very limited view and perspective to take. "Got to keep bodies alive NO MATTER WHAT".

Just like with the politics and science of Covid, this is not a black and white issue. Various shades of gray, different sides. People tend to gravitate to simple extremes, because it's easier to perceive these than the many shades of gray in between.

posted February 16, 2021 08:20 PM            

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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:

Whats the point of giving up freedoms to a government if they can't protect us from the forces of nature? that's the whole point of civilization

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posted February 17, 2021 01:43 AM            

shura I am just quoting hobbes

posted February 17, 2021 01:44 AM            

I’m sure you’ll get laid more frequently for sure

posted February 18, 2021 03:29 AM              

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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:
Galactic please make sure and tell your wife you would be happy if she died.

I’m sure you’ll get laid more frequently for sure

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Yo, yo, yo, this D is a hot commodity in this house, and we're a bit switched from the typical gender stereotypes in that sense. My Marsbar brings all the wives to the yard. So, not a worry of mine. Perhaps projecting a bit?

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I am deeply sorry for the loss of your mother at a young age, I can’t imagine how painful that must have been

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Thank you for the sentiment, but it was far harder seeing her suffer while still connected to a body. Point is, whether people realize it or not, on many different levels, the death of the body is a release of a heaviness and suffering for most souls. Whether suffering of the body, and/or of the mind, emotions, and/or energetically.

My point earlier was that it is not easy for most Souls to be here. It's a like going to a work job that you don't particularly like or want to be at, but pays the bills, while being in the nonphysical is like being home, comfortable, and surrounded by loved ones you want to spend time with.

Most of the nonphysical dimensions are far, far lighter and more joyous in nature than this 3rd dimension that we call the physical. Not just my perception and experience of things, but there are thousands of NDE'rs out there that bring back, and state, similar perceptions and accounts.

But, I suppose I "should be" like the average person and view death as something "horrible", "scary", "bad", or the like... But, I just don't. In many ways, it's the exact opposite, and we modern, westernized humans are certainly a funny and peculiar lot. Sometimes I really, really miss my physically focused, non human friends, as they made A LOT more sense in many ways and in many areas.

posted February 18, 2021 02:13 PM            

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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:

Whats the point of giving up freedoms to a government if they can't protect us from the forces of nature? that's the whole point of civilization

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posted February 22, 2021 01:36 AM            

“I like hearing alternate viewpoints, but it’s incredibly hard not to want to block people who think lockdowns are an overreaction when I knew a perfectly healthy 49 year old who died of it, and another young, healthy family member is, right now, fighting for his life.”

(She is also in Canada.)

posted February 22, 2021 11:39 PM              

Yet, they still consume tons of obviously bad for your body stuff--everything from wheat, factory farmed meat, dairy, and eggs, refined sugar, refined carbs, caffeinated coffee, hard alcohol (a little red wine and dark beer occasionally not so bad and may be somewhat healthy), etc, etc.

I know people who stress out way too much about too many things.

I know many that don't exercise enough, and some others that exercise too much (as to put a strain on the body and not allow sufficient recovery).

Nowadays, being "perfectly healthy", apparently means that you don't have an obvious disease or major health issue. But that is a poor standard and metric of "perfectly healthy". How many people on the North American continent, whether Canada, US, or Mexico, that are technically in the obese category? Seems to be quite a bit. In the United States, 36.5 percent of adults are obese. Another 32.5 percent of American adults are overweight. That means about only 30% of American adults, or 3 out of 10, are within a more optimal weight range (then you have to consider the other opposite extreme of anorexia, bulimia and the like, which drops that percentage of healthy weight people down a bit more).

Real, true health is on a whole other level, and unfortunately takes quite a bit of discipline and personal change to enact. I would say that nowadays, especially among North Americans, "perfect health" is probably quite rare and unusual. It really takes a holistic balance between proper attunement of body, mind, and Soul together. It's not JUST about the body. It's not JUST about the mind. And it's not just about the Soul/spiritual, but all 3 at the same time, and facilitating a balance and positive interconnection between all three levels.

Even as much energy, focus, time, and money I put into my own personal holistic health (and the unusual discipline I have in diet, symbolized by Cap on the 6th, Saturn in Virgo, etc), I know I could do better, and because of past abuse/extremism, I still don't have true "perfect health". One example, I really need to meditate more consistently. Work is now taking care of regular exercise for self, but before that, was somewhat lax and inconsistent on that. Still could tweak some diet stuff.

I've healed myself of the childhood illness I've talked about, but I still have a touch of psoriasis which indicates that there is still an imbalance. And yet, I get sick with colds/infections far less than most I know, and when I do actually get sick, stay sick for less time. Last time I experienced a cold was almost about a year ago (March), and I was completely fine within 1.5 days of starting to feel and show symptoms.

So when someone, or the media says a person is "perfectly healthy", I have to take such comments with a big dose of skepticism, because in my observation of others, that is actually quite rare/unusual. I would hazard to guess maybe 1 in 10 is actually "perfectly healthy" i.e. they are doing everything right on all those levels.

Meanwhile, even with that being the case, the fact of the matter is, the huge majority of people under certain age groups, with relatively decent health, that come into contact with SARS-CoV-2 do quite fine and many do NOT get seriously/severely sick. This is a statistic that even WHO, CDC, and other bureaucratic health organizations have talked about.

So why focus on the rare, and odd, "worst case scenarios?" To bolster a belief system that these lockdowns were completely necessary. Never mind the FACTS that Nursing Homes and Care facilities have still been hit very hard despite all the lockdowns, WHICH DID NOT EVEN REALLY APPLY TO THESE POPULATIONS TO BEGIN WITH.

What authorities should have done, was taken extra measures in places like these. You know, make these places install things like air purifiers, use of extra PPE, open up windows when possible, etc, etc. Common sense stuff.

So why did so many nursing homes/care facilities have such problems despite all the restrictions and lock down measures? Why, because in reality, the people in power, and really many people in general, really don't give two shites about elderly people. Oh, some may pay "lip service" to them occasionally, but in reality, we shut away elderly people in a manner that is slightly reminiscent of how we used to lock up people with mental and emotional health issues in institutions.

Basically, we don't want to think about or deal with them, they are an inconvenience. So, they don't get treated very well at times. I know, because I worked in that field and personally saw some ethical issues that I was not ok with. When we live in a society that too many see people as dollar signs rather than anything else, that's what is going to happen.

Anytime money is a big factor, you tend to get corruption and imbalances. Look how much fire Coumo is starting to receive for his nursing home related shenanigans. A democrat no less. And while not directly COVID related, even young, fresh faced AOC has recently shown the public that she is a true politician i.e. is willing to dramatically lie to bolster a political narrative. Even though she was caught red handed in the lie, some folks defend her for some reason?

If one can't see the corruption and issues on both sides, then one has a long way to go towards being truly "woke" politically or even really socially. When it comes to politics and politicians, it's a bit "lies, lies, lies everywhere, and not a drop of pure truth to drink" i.e. we are awash on an ocean of mistruths, distortions, corruption, partial truths, and outright lies. "But their side does it more!" Nope, wrong answer, even if technically true.

We should look at government and politics more like life partners. If we wouldn't accept regular lying and cheating in a relationship, then we shouldn't accept it in our elected officials. But not only does that happen, it is the norm.

The only real difference between the Democrat and Republican sides that I see on average? Both want to and will rape us, but the Democrats make a show of putting a little lube on first and maybe sweet talk you a bit or slip a roofy in your drink, but you still end up getting raped, and the Republicans are a little more upfront/direct, "yeah, yah gonna get raped, nothing you can do about it, gonna hurt, now shut up and take it".

posted February 22, 2021 11:44 PM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
All Governments will sneakily try for more control, this is a Fact.
We Expect Canada to be more evolved but Control is quite a drug. Hope they course-correct asap.

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posted February 23, 2021 12:20 AM              

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Originally posted by MoonMystic:

I wanted to respond to this thread but held back. My 2cents They need hardcore rehabilitation. We need to revoke [b] that drug.[/B]

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No worries, the Creative Forces will in the near future. In the near future, money will come to mean nothing. People will have to worry about the very basics. Enough food, clean drinking water, shelter, and increasingly out of these shared hardships--community will become more and more focused on.

Then, as humanity starts to rebuild civilization, we will have learned from our extreme and sordid past, and will put into place measures and controls against the accumulation of wealth and power into the hands of few...because THAT is where all the problems of society start to stem from.

I recently listened to a dialogue between Russel Brand and Jordan Peterson. Peterson pointed out that capitalism cannot be solely blamed, because the issue is far older than same, and pointed out it was a human issue. He talked about a First Nations tribe in Canada that he is affiliated with, and how they dealt with the issue. Every once in awhile, the tribe would have a big gathering wherein the wealthiest of the tribe (the ones with the most accumulated resources), would give away all their resources to the rest of the tribe. It was not demanded of them, they did so voluntarily.

Because they knew that they had to do this to maintain the collective health of the tribe. Probably not considered too much of a sacrifice because ultimately they cared about each other and the tribe just as much as themselves. It's a kind of Oneness and Love in operation. It's the "Christ Communism" that I talked about on another thread.

Anyways, after the collapse, and after these intentional communities build up here and there, people will agree to enact methods and ways to keep the same old same from happening yet again. We will be living closer to how some of the more positive tribes used to live, than we are currently living.

(Btw, I do not put Native American tribes on any kind of a pedestal and nor do I lump them all together. Many tribes had many definite differences, and some were downright violent and blood lusting in nature. If you ever want to read a very eye opening book about some of the Plains tribes, the book about Red Cloud called, "The Heart of Everything That Is" is excellent. However, it is not easy to read. The atrocities that both sides committed to each other are not easy to read about. Including some of the Native practices of torturing one's enemies and trying to make their afterlife as unpleasant as possible. Anyways, point being, humans be humans wherever they are, and are a definite "mixed bag" of Light and lack of same.)

posted February 24, 2021 04:03 AM            

The majority of people in Canada think the same way as I do...there's a possiblity it may be a scam and there are much bigger global dynamics at play here.

But as a responsible citizen its my responsiblity to wear a mask and take the proper COVID precautions to prevent someone else from getting sick.

I don't think the average American or outsider whould understand that if there comming from a society with a "me first mentality" or instantly take that "anything is a violation of my rights" then go up and arms about almost anything.

There's a big shamming here of people who do things that put other people at risk for COVID.

Whether or not COVID is a scam is irelevant...its about the next person.

Even if there was no COVID the majority of people here (not saying everyone, there are always a couple bad Apples) whould try to do things to minimize personal risk for the next person.

Lots of people here detest having to take COVID measures...but the one fact I mentioned above which is are you a good citizen doing your part to ensure the health and safety of others is what makes people do it.

laugh away...Probably a bad example being a female dominated website..its sorta like a wife naging a husband to take out the garbage.

The husband will initial detest it but he'll eventually agree because its for the common good of the household..he'll still dislike her for nagging but he does it because its the right thing to do for the household.

Thats how most Canadian thinks of COVID measures its not so much a goverment control thing its more about doing whats right for the next person.

posted February 25, 2021 06:58 AM            

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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
This is something I wanted to say all along..but had to be cautions in saying it.

The majority of people in Canada think the same way as I do...there's a possiblity it may be a scam and there are much bigger global dynamics at play here.

But as a responsible citizen its my responsiblity to wear a mask and take the proper COVID precautions to prevent someone else from getting sick.

I don't think the average American or outsider whould understand that if there comming from a society with a "me first mentality" or instantly take that "anything is a violation of my rights" then go up and arms about almost anything.

There's a big shamming here of people who do things that put other people at risk for COVID.

Whether or not COVID is a scam is irelevant...its about the next person.

Even if there was no COVID the majority of people here (not saying everyone, there are always a couple bad Apples) whould try to do things to minimize personal risk for the next person.

Lots of people here detest having to take COVID measures...but the one fact I mentioned above which is are you a good citizen doing your part to ensure the health and safety of others is what makes people do it.

laugh away...Probably a bad example being a female dominated website..its sorta like a wife naging a husband to take out the garbage.

The husband will initial detest it but he'll eventually agree because its for the common good of the household..he'll still dislike her for nagging but he does it because its the right thing to do for the household.

Thats how most Canadian thinks of COVID measures its not so much a goverment control thing its more about doing whats right for the next person.

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Completely agree. And this is the general feeling here in Scotland.

posted February 25, 2021 05:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Masks don't protect you or anyone else from COVID or any respiratory virus.

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Then why does a surgeon wear a mask?

posted February 25, 2021 05:31 PM            

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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
This is something I wanted to say all along..but had to be cautions in saying it.

The majority of people in Canada think the same way as I do...there's a possiblity it may be a scam and there are much bigger global dynamics at play here.

But as a responsible citizen its my responsiblity to wear a mask and take the proper COVID precautions to prevent someone else from getting sick.

I don't think the average American or outsider whould understand that if there comming from a society with a "me first mentality" or instantly take that "anything is a violation of my rights" then go up and arms about almost anything.

There's a big shamming here of people who do things that put other people at risk for COVID.

Whether or not COVID is a scam is irelevant...its about the next person.

Even if there was no COVID the majority of people here (not saying everyone, there are always a couple bad Apples) whould try to do things to minimize personal risk for the next person.

Lots of people here detest having to take COVID measures...but the one fact I mentioned above which is are you a good citizen doing your part to ensure the health and safety of others is what makes people do it.

laugh away...Probably a bad example being a female dominated website..its sorta like a wife naging a husband to take out the garbage.

The husband will initial detest it but he'll eventually agree because its for the common good of the household..he'll still dislike her for nagging but he does it because its the right thing to do for the household.

Thats how most Canadian thinks of COVID measures its not so much a goverment control thing its more about doing whats right for the next person.

My Planets
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☉‘ ♊, ☽ ♈, ASC ♑, ☿ ♊, ¡÷ ♉, ¡ö ♋ , ♃ ♒, ♄ ♏, ♅ ♐, ♆ ♑

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I agree with you, and luckily, the entire US does not have a “me first” attitude. I don’t think it’s a scam, and I’m more concerned about keeping people safe, than sitting in a restaurant and being served, or going to the movies. I miss both, and I don’t always enjoy wearing a mask, but I do it. I have a friend who doesn’t trust the US government, but they followed guidelines because of the rest of the world.

GCE, where did you go?

posted February 25, 2021 05:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Then why does a surgeon wear a mask?

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posted February 25, 2021 07:39 PM            

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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:
I’m the grey goose of trollling

shura I am just quoting hobbes

His book leviathan covers the topic of the point of government

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You're not quoting Hobbes firstly because you're conflating civilization with government.