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Topic: Shite getting 1984'esque in Canada Eh?
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DualGemV2
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posted February 26, 2021 02:05 AM
  
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Originally posted by teasel:
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GCE, where did you go?
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum23/HTML/000650.html I did reach out to him and commented on one of his youtube videos. There's something "mystical" about him,I think he's genuinely a knowledgeable nice guy if you've seen what he looks like and listen to him talk. My Planets
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Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted February 26, 2021 04:06 AM
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Originally posted by Randall:
Because surgery involves open wounds, and a sterile environment is required to prevent infection. You don’t want to cough into an open wound. The masks are to prevent bacteria from getting into the wound. Bacteria are large in comparison to viruses.
That's not what this systematic review found Randall: Efficacy of face mask in preventing respiratory virus transmission: A systematic review and meta-analysis quote:
Abstract
Background
Conflicting recommendations exist related to whether masks have a protective effect on the spread of respiratory viruses.Methods
The Preferred Reporting Items for Systematic Reviews and Meta-Analysis (PRISMA) statement was consulted to report this systematic review. Relevant articles were retrieved from PubMed, Web of Science, ScienceDirect, Cochrane Library, and Chinese National Knowledge Infrastructure (CNKI), VIP (Chinese) database. Results
A total of 21 studies met our inclusion criteria. Meta-analyses suggest that mask use provided a significant protective effect (OR = 0.35 and 95% CI = 0.24–0.51). Use of masks by healthcare workers (HCWs) and non-healthcare workers (Non-HCWs) can reduce the risk of respiratory virus infection by 80% (OR = 0.20, 95% CI = 0.11–0.37) and 47% (OR = 0.53, 95% CI = 0.36–0.79). The protective effect of wearing masks in Asia (OR = 0.31) appeared to be higher than that of Western countries (OR = 0.45). Masks had a protective effect against influenza viruses (OR = 0.55), SARS (OR = 0.26), and SARS-CoV-2 (OR = 0.04). In the subgroups based on different study designs, protective effects of wearing mask were significant in cluster randomized trials and observational studies. Conclusions
This study adds additional evidence of the enhanced protective value of masks, we stress that the use masks serve as an adjunctive method regarding the COVID-19 outbreak.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7253999/ ------------------
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Randall
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posted February 26, 2021 10:42 AM
That metastudy contradicts numerous studies that found otherwise. I would bet money it’s flawed. Physicians have known for years that masks are ineffective against respiratory viruses. The masks only stop large droplets. The virus is in aerosol droplets. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted February 26, 2021 10:43 AM
We have near total mask compliance. The virus rages on. IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted February 26, 2021 01:58 PM
If all the data truly contradicts, then no conclusion can be agreed. In this case, a conscientious person errs on the side of caution.I saw a study on here where the results were inconclusive as to whether masks helped. However the thread was implying they do nothing - that is not what the study said. I have yet to see one study which states masks definitely do nothing to prevent the spread of viruses. On the other hand, I've seen several that show they do. Feel free to post a study which states masks are ineffective for inhibiting the spread of respiratory viruses. ------------------
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Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted February 26, 2021 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by Randall:
We have near total mask compliance. The virus rages on.
In America?? Come on Randall, you know that's not true. I doubt there is total compliance anywhere. ------------------
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Randall
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posted February 26, 2021 02:09 PM
I said "near" total compliance. Masks are being worn by the vast majority anywhere you go in America. If masks work, it doesn't matter if a few don't comply. Most here have said that they will continue to wear masks even when the pandemic is over. The fear brainwashing is strong. The CDC referenced several studies in May 2020 that found masks to be ineffective against respiratory viruses (influenza). For the record, I have never worn a mask, and I never will. I didn't fear the flu, and I do not fear COVID. I have an immune system for a reason. D3 and zinc renders this virus harmless. Everyone could be vaccinated, and they are going to still require masks. This isn't about public health. This isn't science. This is about control and submission. I will not comply. IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted February 26, 2021 03:17 PM
This short video rant from this Canadian guy who predicted everything back in the spring of last year:
https://www.reddit.com/r/NoNew Normal/comments/kxc8s7/video_from_2020_spring_this_one_aged_like_fine/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted February 26, 2021 03:25 PM
Florida under the governance of DeSantis does not have a statewide mask mandate. Businesses and restaurants have stayed open. People wear masks if they want to or not. I know elderly people there who wear their masks everywhere. I know people who don't. Yet Florida is not drowning in extra Covid cases. Think about it. DeSantis took a lot of flack for it in the beginning, but now he is looking pretty damn good, regardless of the numerous attempts by mainstream media to denigrate Florida. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted February 26, 2021 03:36 PM
Florida blows the fake narrative of the left. IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted February 26, 2021 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by Randall:
I said "near" total compliance. Masks are being worn by the vast majority anywhere you go in America. If masks work, it doesn't matter if a few don't comply. Most here have said that they will continue to wear masks even when the pandemic is over. The fear brainwashing is strong. The CDC referenced several studies in May 2020 that found masks to be ineffective against respiratory viruses (influenza). For the record, I have never worn a mask, and I never will. I didn't fear the flu, and I do not fear COVID. I have an immune system for a reason. D3 and zinc renders this virus harmless. Everyone could be vaccinated, and they are going to still require masks. This isn't about public health. This isn't science. This is about control and submission. I will not comply.
You are young Randall, you don't need to worry, but there are many who do and we all have a responsibility to them. Or at least I would have hoped people would recognise that responsibility. So what to do then when there are studies which say masks help and studies which say inconclusive or don't? Do we take a gamble with other people's lives? Because until the science is settled, you are taking a gamble. If it saves a few people from dying, I'm cool with a mask until the vaccinations are done. What's so difficult about this? The value of life and humanity is far higher than my comfort or desires. Desperate times and all that. It really doesn't bother me, until/unless I see definitive proof that it is pointless. Which, despite several people, including yourself, telling me it that's the case, everyone continues to fail to actually bring the studies which say so. I looked at one posted here before, the OP stating that it was proof masks don't work. The results were inconclusive. Inconclusive doesn't not mean masks don't work, it means the study failed to find significant evidence that they don't. The study I linked here gave you significant evidence that they do help. Why is it hard to accept this? You said there were flaws - state them. Let's discuss them. Surely it doesn't matter whether you want the pandemic to be real or not, surely what matters far far above what you want, is what IS. The truth. No? Why be invested in anything other than the truth? Just because opportunists have politicised, and profited from the pandemic, doesn't make it any less of a pandemic. This happens with all crises, nothing new there. Plenty profited from the crisis in Iraq, that doesn't mean it was a hoax (although the 'war on terrorism' is definitely not what it seems). No one will stand for wearing masks once it is safe, including me, so I'm not sure what you are worried about. The people won't do it, and the people outnumber the government. ------------------
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Randall
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posted February 26, 2021 07:25 PM
There is something going on here other than a virus. We can agree to disagree.IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted February 26, 2021 07:34 PM
A few days ago, Fauci said that even after you get vaccinated, you will still be expected well into 2022 to wear masks and do social distancing and NOT DO:Indoor dining
Theaters
Places where people congregate
Because, blah... blah... blah... Hocus Pocus... Abradabacra... whatever is passing as scientific wisdom nowadays. Those who truly feel they are at risk should wear a mask, stay home and just order takeout and home delivery. And the rest of us can resume having a life. Tomorrow is not guaranteed or given to anyone. Let us live today. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted February 26, 2021 07:46 PM
Well-said. I can only speak for America. This virus is being used to destroy our constitutional rights. These rights will never be returned to us if we submit.IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted February 26, 2021 07:47 PM
If a mask works, then wear one, and you will be protected, right?IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted February 27, 2021 05:29 AM
I thought you were a lawyer Randall? Yet you don't place any value on evidence??------------------
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Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted February 27, 2021 05:36 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Belage:
A few days ago, Fauci said that even after you get vaccinated, you will still be expected well into 2022 to wear masks and do social distancing and NOT DO:Indoor dining
Theaters
Places where people congregate
Because, blah... blah... blah... Hocus Pocus... Abradabacra... whatever is passing as scientific wisdom nowadays. Those who truly feel they are at risk should wear a mask, stay home and just order takeout and home delivery. And the rest of us can resume having a life. Tomorrow is not guaranteed or given to anyone. Let us live today.
Well, I have no idea why your politicians are saying this. That is not what is happening here. But then, there has been little fear of conspiracy here, not none, but people are not feeling persecuted the way Americans appear to be. So for the most part, Scotland followed the rules, and restrictions are about to be phased out because things are getting under control. In saying that, maybe if America hadn't had a leader downplaying the virus and organising mass gatherings, it may have been more successful in controlling it. ------------------
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Randall
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posted February 27, 2021 08:42 AM
I am looking at evidence. I look at what the science says. Let’s say masks work. Why do we have the same results in very restrictive California and Florida with little to no restrictions? Are people wearing goggles?IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted February 27, 2021 09:11 AM
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Originally posted by Randall:
I am looking at evidence. I look at what the science says. Let’s say masks work. Why do we have the same results in very restrictive California and Florida with little to no restrictions? Are people wearing goggles?
Then show me the science which states they do not work? One man's casual observation is not the scientific method. ------------------
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Randall
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posted February 27, 2021 09:30 AM
Those studies should be easy to find. The CDC referenced them last year in May. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted February 27, 2021 09:33 AM
FOX News has a number of doctors on saying masks do not work. This isn't an exreme view. Goggles would need to be used, along with an N95. IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted February 27, 2021 09:42 AM
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Originally posted by Randall:
Those studies should be easy to find. The CDC referenced them last year in May.
Shouldn't take you long then  ------------------
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Belage
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posted February 27, 2021 10:02 AM
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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Well, I have no idea why your politicians are saying this. That is not what is happening here. But then, there has been little fear of conspiracy here, not none, but people are not feeling persecuted the way Americans appear to be. So for the most part, Scotland followed the rules, and restrictions are about to be phased out because things are getting under control.In saying that, maybe if America hadn't had a leader downplaying the virus and organising mass gatherings, it may have been more successful in controlling it.
Can't speak for Scotland, but in America, the leader we had at the time did not downplay the virus at first. He issued order severely restricting travel from China and he was slammed for it by the democrats, because well, anything he did was deemed... wrong and to be opposed. Imagine if the US had embraced his first knee jerk reaction instead of fighting it... Anyway, after that, he seemed to have reverse course and yes he started downplaying the virus. And lest he bears all the blame, let me remind you and others that Dr. Fauci, spent considerable time and energy telling people not to wear masks. This was a man who supposedly had decades of epidemiologic science and experience under his belt. Wouldn't it have been better if the US had closed our borders early on and people not discuoraged from wearing masks early on? In our partisan politics of COvid, the democrats have never done any mea culpa about their slamming of Trump's original decision to close our borders to China. And they have continued to lionize Dr. Fauci inspite of his earlier position on masks. But Trump is the one responsible for 500,000 deaths. Oh yeah... IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted February 27, 2021 11:32 AM
Actually, I’m not here to serve you. If you are interested in knowing what the science says, you can search the literature. Regardless of your political stance, it might behoove you to watch FOX News, which often has guests who explain the science. I am comfortable with not wearing a mask. I made an educated choice. If you wish to do so, that is your choice. The science doesn’t support it. A virus isn’t stopped by these cheap cloth masks and bandannas that the majority of people are wearing. An N95 is moderately effective. The general population isn’t wearing those. When Fauci first said wearing a mask doesn’t help, he mentioned how the virus enters the eyes. The real question is why masks are now pushed by Fauci and others when the people pushing them know they are ineffective. Riddle me that, Batman. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted February 27, 2021 11:49 AM
President Trump saved at least two million lives by closing down travel from China when only one case was found in the US. Experts expected 2.2 million deaths if nothing was done. That turned into only 200,000 at the height of the pandemic. If masks worked, we certainly wouldn’t be at 500,000 now. A virus attenuates. Deaths are still too high but are coming down. About half of the US has immunity. At the present rate, we should reach herd immunity by April. This isn’t what one person is saying. This is what the experts (who aren’t political hacks) say.IP: Logged | |
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