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jwhop
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posted March 05, 2021 11:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You call that a coronavirus study of Trump rally attendees?

Nuts!

This is nothing more than an extrapolation of county coronavirus records. Not one Trump rally attendee was so much as mentioned or interviewed. The study was done by ECONOMISTS . Embarrassing!

B. Douglas Bernheim
Stanford University - Department of Economics; National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER)

Nina Buchmann
Stanford University, Department of Economics

Zach Freitas-Groff
Stanford University, Department of Economics, Students

Sebastián Otero
Stanford University - Department of Economics

Date Written: October 30, 2020

Typical BS

This is all you have to equate dual stupidity between Trump and Cuomo who killed 15,000 senior citizens.

Save the nonsense for the tourists!

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Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted March 06, 2021 04:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
And that would be your choice. It is political in this country. We take our constitutional rights very seriously. We are not going to stop living our lives until all traces of this virus disappears from existence. Those more at risk can take precautions. Just like I have a right to win a gun, but that doesn’t mean others have to go out and buy one. However, I am not going to suspend my right to own a gun because someone is afraid of them. We should have only closed down long enough to keep the hospitals from overcrowding. If you give government an inch, it takes a mile. Opening up is long overdue. This virus is going to spread and create herd immunity no matter what we do. Slowing that down is causing more harm than good. We only needed to slow down the spread to allow hospitals to handle the surge. Open the schools! Open everything. Lift all restrictions. Over 200,000 businesses are permanently closed. What about those families? What about the year of school lost? Those children will never get back the development they lost. Deaths from suicide, deaths from untreated diseases, and deaths from undiagnosed cancers and treatments. This isn’t about the economy. It’s about lives. It’s time to rebuild and return back to some semblance of normalcy.

Everyone takes their rights seriously. Untreated disease and cancers would always have happened because hospitals are focused on COVID patients - that has nothing to do with lockdown or the economy.

We ARE opening up. There's nothing to shout about. Scotland is projected to be out of lockdown by July. The relaxing of restrictions begins next week. Because lockdown brought the case and death numbers down. You'd be hard-pushed to find anyone in Scotland having a cow and screaming about rights over temporarily staying at home to assist in the management of a public health crisis - most people see the sense in it.

My rights still exist, as do yours. I could have ignored the guidance and went out every day, it's not like there are police road blocks stopping me. I chose to do what I thought was right and it wasn't difficult. And my rights still exist. Many chose the same, and now we are moving out of lockdown. Our schools began opening last week and will be fully open to all pupils by 15th March. I don't know what you are so afraid of. Sometimes a spade is just a spade.

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posted March 06, 2021 08:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was speaking about America. In blue states, business owners were fined ridiculous fines in the thousands per day for opening up their bars and gyms and hair salons. Since you mentioned your country, if we look to other countries, it gets worse. For example, in Germany, the homeowner was dragged out of his home by police for having too many people gathered. In America, a woman was alone in the schoolyard sitting on the bench away from everyone watching her child play ball when an officer literally dragged her away and tazed her for not wearing a mask. In the background, you can see school cheerleaders unmasked. In this country, that is extreme, to say the least.

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posted March 06, 2021 09:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Randall, some people are suicidal because they have no money to take care of themselves (sometimes that’s me - I have no insurance, but there are reasons for it, too). Some people are exhausted and depressed, because they’re overworked. Some are suicidal, because they’ve lost people (including losing them to covid). That herd immunity will come at a huge price when it comes to human life - it already has.

My dad has his first appointment for the vaccine, this morning. I hope that he has no side-effects.

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posted March 06, 2021 09:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jwhop:
You call that a coronavirus study of Trump rally attendees?

Nuts!

This is nothing more than an extrapolation of county coronavirus records. Not one Trump rally attendee was so much as mentioned or interviewed. The study was done by [b]ECONOMISTS . Embarrassing!

B. Douglas Bernheim
Stanford University - Department of Economics; National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER)

Nina Buchmann
Stanford University, Department of Economics

Zach Freitas-Groff
Stanford University, Department of Economics, Students

Sebastián Otero
Stanford University - Department of Economics

Date Written: October 30, 2020

Typical BS

This is all you have to equate dual stupidity between Trump and Cuomo who killed 15,000 senior citizens.

Save the nonsense for the tourists![/B]


I don’t take you seriously, when you’re gullible in your worship of Trump, so save your fingers the typing.

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posted March 06, 2021 11:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
People are suicidal because they’ve lost their businesses. Children are committing suicide because they can’t go to school. People were depressed because they were locked down and not getting enough sunlight and are more free now but stressed about a lot.

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posted March 06, 2021 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"I don’t take you seriously, when you’re gullible in your worship of Trump, so save your fingers the typing."

I'm shocked, shocked, I say, that you...who constantly spread total lies on this forum which have been debunked and/or retracted by their lying originators..doesn't take me seriously.

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posted March 07, 2021 05:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
I was speaking about America. In blue states, business owners were fined ridiculous fines in the thousands per day for opening up their bars and gyms and hair salons. Since you mentioned your country, if we look to other countries, it gets worse. For example, in Germany, the homeowner was dragged out of his home by police for having too many people gathered. In America, a woman was alone in the schoolyard sitting on the bench away from everyone watching her child play ball when an officer literally dragged her away and tazed her for not wearing a mask. In the background, you can see school cheerleaders unmasked. In this country, that is extreme, to say the least.

That is extreme, I would be upset about this too.

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posted March 07, 2021 05:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by teasel:
Randall, some people are suicidal because they have no money to take care of themselves (sometimes that’s me - I have no insurance, but there are reasons for it, too). Some people are exhausted and depressed, because they’re overworked. Some are suicidal, because they’ve lost people (including losing them to covid). That herd immunity will come at a huge price when it comes to human life - it already has.

My dad has his first appointment for the vaccine, this morning. I hope that he has no side-effects.


Hope your dad is OK Teasel. My grandparents had their first dose just over a month ago and they have been fine so far. They're in their 80s.

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posted March 07, 2021 07:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hope your dad is OK Teasel. My grandparents had their first dose just over a month ago and they have been fine so far. They're in their 80s.


Thank you. He said that he felt fine afterwards.

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posted March 07, 2021 08:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
I was speaking about America. In blue states, business owners were fined ridiculous fines in the thousands per day for opening up their bars and gyms and hair salons. Since you mentioned your country, if we look to other countries, it gets worse. For example, in Germany, the homeowner was dragged out of his home by police for having too many people gathered. In America, a woman was alone in the schoolyard sitting on the bench away from everyone watching her child play ball when an officer literally dragged her away and tazed her for not wearing a mask. In the background, you can see school cheerleaders unmasked. In this country, that is extreme, to say the least.

So you admit the police sometimes go too far, when it suits your own cause?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/09/28/alecia-kitts-taser-mask-video-ohio/

If this were any other subject, I’m not sure that you would feel the same way. We would be hearing that she brought it on herself, for refusing to follow the orders of the police. This brought on a slew of threats, aimed at the authorities. He was taken off duty, and the school went into lockdown, because of those threats. Nino vitale was one of the men who voted to keep a clause in a law, that allows men to rape their wives, if they’re incapacitated, and the man needs sex. I don’t want to hear about how a woman wasn’t protected by men who were sitting around doing nothing, from people who voted to keep that clause. (Vitale was quoted in the article, as he continued to rail against COVID restrictions, and our governor.)

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/4/12/18498 08/-Ohio-men-can-now-legally-rape-their-wives-force-them-to-give-birth-Seriously

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posted March 07, 2021 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You really got off on a tangent there, didn't you? I support the Constitution. That means I do not support the police exceeding their lawful authority. It also means that I also support law and order, which means people following the law. However, mask orders are not "law." They are "orders" from mayors and governors that violate the Constitution. There is no pandemic exception to the Bill of Rights.

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