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Topic: Immigration COVID Crisis
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Randall
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posted March 03, 2021 09:15 AM
  
For those who support this open border madness by Biden, what about all the people with COVID that are being released into the country? How many deaths do you think that will cause? Or does that not matter to you? IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted March 03, 2021 01:27 PM
We know at least 108 were released into the country who tested positive.
http://m.theepochtimes.com/108-illegal-immigrants-released-by-border-patrol-in-texas-tested-positive-for-covid-19-officials_3719020.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_cam paign=breaking-2021-03-03-2IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted March 03, 2021 05:39 PM
If you test positive in this country, you have to quarantine. You also can’t enter this country via plane without a negative test. But thanks to Biden, COVID positive immigrants are released into the country and given a bus ticket to anywhere they want to go. Where are the health experts with their graphs who closed churches because one person infected in a choir of 67 people will infect 87 percent of everyone in the room? Biden is going to infect thousands from those 108 he let in. And those are just the ones we know about. I thought Biden was supposed to handle the pandemic? IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted March 04, 2021 05:22 AM
Stupid decision. But no stupider than holding mass gatherings during a pandemic. Both are bad decisions. ------------------
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Randall
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posted March 04, 2021 08:25 AM
But Biden criticizes one and is behind the other. Wasn't he supposed to be the candidate who provides a better response to COVID? IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted March 04, 2021 08:30 AM
I think it was natural to hope that would be the case. Biden behaving hypocritically doesn't absolve Trump of making bad decisions. Both decisions are irresponsible.------------------
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Randall
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posted March 04, 2021 09:10 AM
Are you saying that President Trump closing down travel from China when we only had one case in the US (when Biden disagreed with it) was a bad decision? Or was it a great decision? IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted March 04, 2021 09:55 AM
No, I didn't say that. Closing borders is a good idea obviously. Bad decision is holding mass gatherings.------------------
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Randall
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posted March 04, 2021 10:22 AM
President Trump did have mass gatherings of thousands, but BLM had millions. A virus is going to spread. That's what viruses do. People who take D3 and zinc are practically immune to this one.IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted March 04, 2021 10:39 AM
BLM made a bad decision too then. Both should have put vulnerable people over politics. It was only temporary.------------------
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Randall
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posted March 04, 2021 10:56 AM
Dem leaders who forced businesses to closed joined with BLM protesters. Hypocrisy of the highest levels. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted March 04, 2021 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by Randall:
But Biden criticizes one and is behind the other. Wasn't he supposed to be the candidate who provides a better response to COVID?
He says they should have enough vaccines for all adults in the US, by the end of May. He asked for a mask mandate for 100 days, and a few governors decided to undo all COVID restrictions instead. Grump is out there telling republicans to get the vaccine, at the same time that he’s mocking democrats for already doing so. Grump had no plan to help all of us, he was more concerned about his loyal fans showing their support by not being careful. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted March 04, 2021 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
I think it was natural to hope that would be the case. Biden behaving hypocritically doesn't absolve Trump of making bad decisions. Both decisions are irresponsible.
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teasel
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posted March 04, 2021 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by Randall:
Dem leaders who forced businesses to closed joined with BLM protesters. Hypocrisy of the highest levels.
BLM protesters mostly wore masks, had hand sanitizer, handed out bottles of water, and helped to register people to vote. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted March 04, 2021 07:22 PM
So, you are saying BLM used hand sanitizer before they looted? The bottled water could have helped put out fires. Yes, some wore masks, so it was harder to identify them, but many did not. And there was little social distancing. I have already corrected you about President Trump. Broken record much? Why don’t you post a video of him talking badly of people taking the vaccine? I would tell you again, but it wouldn’t matter. We were already doing a million doses of vaccine a day before Biden took office. And it would have taken at least five years to get a vaccine. Biden and other Dems said it was impossible to get it done so quickly. In only ten months, President Trump warp speeded the process. That’s because he has vision. Biden can’t even have a live one-on-one press conference. IP: Logged |
jwhop
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Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 04, 2021 11:27 PM
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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Stupid decision. But no stupider than holding mass gatherings during a pandemic. Both are bad decisions.
Nonsense! Releasing illegal aliens to mingle with Americans you damned well know are covid positive doesn't equate in any way with holding/attending rallies where NO ONE is known to be covid positive. We've heard from leftist lunatics that Trump rallies were 'super spreader' events. Yet not one shred of evidence exists to back up that nonsense. If you disagree with the last statement, show the clinical study which proves the 'super spreader' theory. IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted March 05, 2021 04:08 AM
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Originally posted by jwhop:
Nonsense!Releasing illegal aliens to mingle with Americans you damned well know are covid positive doesn't equate in any way with holding/attending rallies where NO ONE is known to be covid positive. We've heard from leftist lunatics that Trump rallies were 'super spreader' events. Yet not one shred of evidence exists to back up that nonsense. If you disagree with the last statement, show the clinical study which proves the 'super spreader' theory.
I said nothing of 'super spreader' theory, whatever that is. What I did say was that holding mass gatherings during a pandemic was a bad decision. The below study supports this. The Effects of Large Group Meetings on the Spread of COVID-19: The Case of Trump Rallies
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3722299 ------------------
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Randall
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posted March 05, 2021 12:10 PM
From the subject, I’m sure there’s no biases at all. So, while every life is important, this study claims that 700 people died from Trump rallies? Relative to the hundreds of thousands of people who attended these rallies, only 700 deaths seems comparable to the general population who mask up, social distance, and stay home. Let’s assume the study is correct with that number. Those people could have left the rally and caught COVID the next week at Walmart. Those hypothetically constructed 700 could have died anyway. Or the ones supposedly later infected by those who attended a rally. Despite its technical jargon, this study seems nonsensical to me. I’m still waiting on a study of the millions of BLM protesters.IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted March 05, 2021 12:47 PM
No matter what way you carve it, it was a bad decision. The study results indicate that rallies could increase deaths from COVID-19, simply because they are a mass gathering. Any mass gathering would yield similar results, this isn't bias toward Trump, it's just common sense. But Jwhop asked for research.We don't have to be so black and white. A bad decision is a bad decision no matter who makes it. ------------------
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teasel
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posted March 05, 2021 01:44 PM
http://www.politicususa.com/2021/03/05/biden-ap-approval-rating.html?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=biden-ap-approval-rating IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted March 05, 2021 02:09 PM
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Originally posted by teasel:
http://www.politicususa.com/2021/03/05 /biden-ap-approval-rating.html?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=biden-ap-approval-rating
44% of republicans agree with Biden's handling of the pandemic according to that poll. You'd never know it from GU. ------------------
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Randall
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posted March 05, 2021 02:10 PM
It's called freedom. The freedom to choose. People can stay home. People can wear their super powered magical masks. We don't stop living because of a virus with a 99.97 percent survival rate. We don't stop driving because of the possibility of dying. If a person fears car accidents, they can choose not to get in a car. Dems love controlling us and don't want to give up power. Biden is clinging tightly to the power grab, but more and more states are opening up. IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted March 05, 2021 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by Randall:
It's called freedom. The freedom to choose. People can stay home. People can wear their super powered magical masks. We don't stop living because of a virus with a 99.97 percent survival rate. We don't stop driving because of the possibility of dying. If a person fears car accidents, they can choose not to get in a car. Dems love controlling us and don't want to give up power. Biden is clinging tightly to the power grab, but more and more states are opening up.
It's not political unless you make it so. It is a worldwide pandemic. I'll exert my freedoms once its safe for those who wouldn't survive infection. ------------------
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Randall
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posted March 05, 2021 05:29 PM
And that would be your choice. It is political in this country. We take our constitutional rights very seriously. We are not going to stop living our lives until all traces of this virus disappears from existence. Those more at risk can take precautions. Just like I have a right to win a gun, but that doesn’t mean others have to go out and buy one. However, I am not going to suspend my right to own a gun because someone is afraid of them. We should have only closed down long enough to keep the hospitals from overcrowding. If you give government an inch, it takes a mile. Opening up is long overdue. This virus is going to spread and create herd immunity no matter what we do. Slowing that down is causing more harm than good. We only needed to slow down the spread to allow hospitals to handle the surge. Open the schools! Open everything. Lift all restrictions. Over 200,000 businesses are permanently closed. What about those families? What about the year of school lost? Those children will never get back the development they lost. Deaths from suicide, deaths from untreated diseases, and deaths from undiagnosed cancers and treatments. This isn’t about the economy. It’s about lives. It’s time to rebuild and return back to some semblance of normalcy.IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted March 05, 2021 06:17 PM
Instead of a hypothetical 700 people who we don’t know actually got COVID or where they got it, we are certain that Cuomo is responsible for the deaths of 15,000 seniors.IP: Logged |
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