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Topic: Bill Maher To Young Liberals: “Your Ideas Are Stupid!”
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 141305 From: Your Friendly Neighborhood Juris Doctorate. Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 25, 2021 05:22 PM
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 141305 From: Your Friendly Neighborhood Juris Doctorate. Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 25, 2021 06:21 PM
This guy really tells it straight.IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 18264 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 25, 2021 07:20 PM
He sounds like an idiot. IP: Logged |
Belage Knowflake Posts: 4219 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 25, 2021 08:24 PM
Rant coming. Is it really surprising? These youngins were raised by their cell phones, superheroes movies and computer games. They get their news from mainstream media sound bites, twitter posts, snapchat and Tiktok, it is a rare one who has read biographical books and studied history on their own, without it being part of required school curriculum. How many of them know about the history of communist China and communist Russia? The various smoke and mirrors of the Cold War? They know there is someone named Hitler, but they couldn't tell you what he did other than he killed Jews in concentration camps. That is why they fell for the Trump is Hitler narrative drummed up by the left for the past 5 years. And frankly, the parents who raised them are no better either. Didn't teach them to be independent thinkers. Okay, Im done. Happy Sunday!
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mirage29 Knowflake Posts: 14489 From: us Registered: May 2012
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posted April 25, 2021 10:55 PM
Maher was speaking to ALL-those within that generational age bracket. NO political party was singled out. I listened to the entire program Live that night. The Youtube poster Patriots-United {extremist-right-winger} 'erroneously' slapped that title under the vid. Again, there was no political party singled out. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 141305 From: Your Friendly Neighborhood Juris Doctorate. Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 25, 2021 11:46 PM
He doesn’t have to specifically mention the Dems. It’s implied. The liberal ideas he mentions sort of gives it away, doesn’t it? You don’t see conservatives espousing those wacky ideas.IP: Logged |
Belage Knowflake Posts: 4219 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 26, 2021 12:54 AM
quote: Originally posted by Randall: He doesn’t have to specifically mention the Dems. It’s implied. The liberal ideas he mentions sort of gives it away, doesn’t it? You don’t see conservatives espousing those wacky ideas.
Yep, who else but the liberal youth thinks communism and abolishing the police are good ideas? But no worry, mirage, Bill Maher is an equal opportunity offender. He comes for the right and for the republicans also, just not in this video.
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Belage Knowflake Posts: 4219 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 27, 2021 11:21 AM
I need to take back my rant and lay the blame where it should lay. The young liberals are not the way they are due to cell phones, twitter and tiktok. Here is the reason.When they look around their homes, What do they see? They see electronics Made in China. Their clothings are Made in China. Their sneakers are Made in China. Practically everything they use is Made in China. Then, how are they supposed to know that communism is bad? What ground are we standing on as a society to tell them that communism is bad if in most of the homes in the US, Made in China is the label on everything they have? So the CCP quells dissent and censors the news... So they have social merits cards that reward or punish people based on how well they follow rules and diktats... So they are engaged in ethnic cleansing of religious minorities such as the Muslim Uighurs... So they've been ethnically cleansing Tibet for decades... THat means NOTHING to the youngings, most of them don't even know these things are happening and it also meant NOTHING to Americans as for decades we have allowed businesses to use Chinese labor to deliver cheap goods to us. The chickens have come home to roost. IP: Logged |
mirage29 Knowflake Posts: 14489 From: us Registered: May 2012
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posted April 27, 2021 02:58 PM
Belage! Your mind works with interesting logical associations. You must have Gemini prominent in your chart, or else transiting Uranus is making some astonishing aspects in your chart that brings out genius in Creatives? Or else it's affecting all, since the Sun-Uranus conjunction in Taurus is due on April 30th. I really don't think there is a 'political party' distinction going on. I'd heard things said about the 9-ll Event for USA, where some were 'tired' of all the Memorializing that goes on during that Remembrance Time. They were TOO young (or not yet born) to remember that terrible day. Some youths just 'want to go on'.. skip the past, go to future without looking in the rearview mirror on the Journey. When you don't respect history-- and the 'experience' and Wisdom that comes from Life lived through that, then you'd be subject to the irritable-impulse to just drive forward, oblivious to the consequences. Psychologists want to remove some of the autism-spectrum disorders from inclusion in non-normal behaviors and traits. (That is SOOO much the shadow-side of Aquarius!) That has a 'mechanistic' view of humans, robotic. Void of the 'hazard' of feelings. Means that having Value for 'feelings' and other Human Beings is on the chopping-block. Human Beings don't count. When you do that {drawing from Lessons from Star Trek characters who are of alien/human DNA mixes where at some point the Human side wins the moment}, when you chop 'feelings', sensitivity, and regards for your fellow human, then you have halved your "sense of humanity." Being wholly and Fully Human MEANS having feelings, and Including ALL as having Value that adds to our Wisdom, and, Survival on this Planet. I have admired this youth. Recently saw her Greta Thunberg video clip where she seemed on a rampage AGAINST the general adult population. She IS diagnosed with that 'autism' spectrum disorder. Little patience with others, and feeling that you're BETTER than the Other Generations--- That reveals her 'lack of Wisdom'. You've GOT to work WITH the Generations that had gone before!! Stop 'blaming' and start 'relating'! -- Not EVERYONE older than you is 'as' you blame them to be. ..Gently, slow down. Think, AND Feel your FEELINGS. Be INCLUSIVE... Don't throw baby out with bathwater. I remember that 'know it all' spirit in my early 20s. At that age, you feel the superior sense that you know better, and have all the answers. It's 'plain' to see. Thing is? is that they are Correct! You actually DO know 'the answer'-- but what you don't "realize" is 'WHY'-- 'why' your answer is correct. Takes Experience, and Time, to reveal the 'Why's. {wise} In the past decade and more, I have come across a layer of youth-age Beautiful Humans. With knowing that THOSE are here, living on our Planet, it brought me Hope for the Future... that the World will come to be 'in their Hands, their Hearts'. I cringed when Maher had made that remark, calling them 'Stupid'? ... I've noticed a genuine respect that Elders HAVE for those Beautiful Youth, and really, among us with that respect, you'd never call them 'stupid' because we want to build, not tear-down their 'self-esteem'? .. ~oy!! In a way, Bill is saying we've been so encouraging of them, and not wanting to hurt their feelings-- we tend to want to help them feel a sense of their Value to Society-- but we've done it with 'kid'-gloves? {pun} .. But really? ... Stupid is stupid. Have to begin to use Common Sense. . . It's addressing those who think in 'conspiracy' modalities. That 9-11 didn't happen. Or the notion that The Moon Landing was Faked. And gently, it is not stupid, but DOWN-RIGHT DANGEROUS to entertain thoughts that Communism and Putin-type Dictatorships are the wave and way of the Future! We have those NEO-NAZI YOUTHS, who showed up for {then future-dictator ASPIRING} Trump, and acted-out in his rallies. They are brainwashed. Dangerous. Showed up at the Insurrection at the Capitol Building Jan 6, 2021. ... "Possessed"!! There was a "PLAYING out of Roles" like they were in a different-reality, involved in a Virtual Game --- THING IS? .. This 'Game' is REAL. Has REAL adverse Consequence if they cannot give up their Hypnos (hypnotic psychotic thought-grab). Those that can't tell Reality from Fantasy. Or ARE they being Converted TO comply with some of the greatest EVIL that has come upon Earth's civilizations, during previous time periods. Having the Ugly Monster gain ground. But I DO Believe 'for' that bracketed group that Maher called Stupid? Yes, perhaps he was doing that to CALL upon their rage. Calling on them to WAKE UP, and MAKE SENSE!! LEARN the History---- And LISTEN to those who have LIVED IT-- Lived and Survived through those horrors!! Pay Attention to the clues, Believe what you 'see' when Klansmen appear so boldly once more, stirring up Racial and Cultural Division and HATREDS. Be 'WOKE' .... Be Wise. And we REALLY Need to HONOR the Youth and Folks of Age of Responsibility in their 30s. The 'new' Establishment .. I SEE So MUCH GOOD!! in these. Don't let a few BAD apples spoil the Image of those Beautiful Souls, Beautiful HEARTS, that now lay in the position of forming our New Futures. They are 'the workers' now, out toiling to make a living wage. AMONG THEM, Will Come The Answers, The Inventions, that can Save our Humanity here on a Planet that needs US to get our acts together. Take Care of your Minds, of your Hearts, of Each Other. Power of Love Power of Inclusiveness BRIDGE THOSE GENERATIONS... Sharing Knowledge, Experience. Healing All 'Imagined' Division (music) I Choose Love (Mark Miller) [4:41] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlIH1REJ7lo IP: Logged |
HeavenlyLove Knowflake Posts: 119 From: Allcity, Nothingland, Earth, Infinity Registered: Jan 2021
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posted April 27, 2021 03:26 PM
quote: Originally posted by mirage29: Belage! Your mind works with interesting logical associations. You must have Gemini prominent in your chart, or else transiting Uranus is making some astonishing aspects in your chart that brings out genius in Creatives? Or else it's affecting all, since the Sun-Uranus conjunction in Taurus is due on April 30th. I really don't think it's a 'political party' distinction going on. I'd heard things said about the 9-ll Event for USA, where some were 'tired' of all the Memorializing that goes on during that Remembrance Time. They were TOO young (or not yet born) to remember that terrible day. Some youths just 'want to go on'.. skip the past, go to future without looking in the rearview mirror on the Journey. When you don't respect history-- and the 'experience' and Wisdom that comes from Life lived through that then you'd be subject to irritable-impulse to drive forward in noncaring for consequences. Psychologists want to remove some of the autism-spectrum disorders from inclusion in non-normal behaviors and traits. (That is SOOO much the shadow-side of Aquarius!) That has a 'mechanistic' view of humans, robotic. Void of the 'hazard' of feelings. Means that having Value for 'feelings' and other Human Beings is on the chopping-block. Human Beings don't count. When you do that {drawing from Lessons from Star Trek characters who are of alien/human DNA mixes}, when you chop 'feelings', sensitivity, and regards for your fellow human, then you have halved your "sense of humanity." Being wholly and Fully Human MEANS having feelings, and Including ALL as having Value that adds to our Wisdom, and, Survival on this Planet. I saw a Greta Thunberg video clip where she seemed on a rampage AGAINST the adult population. She IS diagnosed with that 'autism' spectrum disorder. Little patience with others, and feeling that you're BETTER than the Other Generations--- That reveals her 'lack of Wisdom'. You've GOT to work WITH the Generations that had gone before!! Stop 'blaming' and start 'relating'! -- Not EVERYONE older than you is 'as' you blame them to be. ..Gently, slow down. Think, AND Feel your FEELINGS. Be INCLUSIVE... Don't throw baby out with bathwater. I remember that 'know it all' spirit in my early 20s. At that age, you feel the superior sense that you KNOW BETTER, and have all the answers. It's 'plain' to see. Thing is? that's Correct! YOU actually DO know 'the answer'-- but what you don't "realize" is 'WHY' your answer is correct. Takes Experience, and Time, to reveal the 'Why'. In the past decade and more, I have come across a layer of youth-age Beautiful Humans. With knowing that THOSE are here, living on our Planet, it brought me Hope for the Future... that the World will come to be 'in their Hands, their Hearts'. I cringed when Mahrer had made that remark, calling them 'Stupid'? ... I've noticed a real RESPECT that Elders HAVE for those Beautiful Youth, and really, among us?, you never call them 'stupid' because it could thwart their 'self-esteem'? .. ~oy!! In a way, Bill is saying we've been so encouraging of them, and not wanting to hurt their feelings, and to help them with a sense of their Value to Society-- but we've done it with 'kid'-gloves? {pun} .. But really? ... Stupid is stupid. Have to begin to use Common Sense. It's addressing those who think in 'conspiracy' modalities. That 9-11 didn't happen. The Moon Landing was Faked. And, it is not stupid, but DOWN-RIGHT DANGEROUS to entertain thoughts that Communism and Putin-type Dictatorships are the wave and way of the Future! We have those NEO-NAZI YOUTHS, who showed up for {future-dictator ASPIRING} Trump, and acted out in his rallies. They are brainwashed. Dangerous. Showed up at the Insurrection at the Capitol Building Jan 6, 2021. ... "Possessed"!! "PLAYING out Roles" like they are involved in Virtual Game --- THING IS? .. This 'Game' is REAL. Has REAL adverse Consequence if they cannot give up their Hypnos (hypnotic psychotic thought-grab). Those that can't tell Reality from Fantasy. Or ARE they being Converted TO comply with some of the greatest EVIL that has come upon Earth's civilizations, during previous time periods. Having the Ugly Monster gain ground. But I DO Believe 'for' that bracketed group that Mahrer called Stupid? Yes, he was doing that to CALL upon their rage. Calling on them to WAKE UP, and MAKE SENSE!! LEARN the History---- And LISTEN to those who have LIVED IT-- Lived and Survived through those horrors!! Pay Attention to the clues, Believe what you 'see' when Klansmen appear so boldly once more, stirring up Racial and Cultural Division and HATREDS. Be 'WOKE' .... Be Wise. And we REALLY Need to HONOR the Youth and Folks of Age of Responsibility in their 30s. The 'new' Establishment .. I SEE So MUCH GOOD!! in these. Don't let a few BAD apples spoil the Image of those Beautiful Souls, Beautiful HEARTS, that now lay in the position of forming our New Futures. They are 'the workers' now, out toiling to make a living wage. AMONG THEM, Will Come The Answers, The Inventions, that can Save our Humanity here on a Planet that needs US to get our acts together. Take Care of your Minds, of your Hearts, of Each Other. Power of Love Power of Inclusiveness BRIDGE THOSE GENERATIONS... Sharing Knowledge, Experience. Healing All 'Imagined' Division (music) I Choose Love (Mark Miller) [4:41] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlIH1REJ7lo
And this all is unendlessly more important than our little egos. We will meet again in future lives, as we met in the past, and I hope to be part of the movements, that will make a livable future on our planet possible.
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jwhop Knowflake Posts: 16017 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 27, 2021 03:51 PM
"We have those NEO-NAZI YOUTHS, who showed up for {future-dictator ASPIRING} Trump, and acted out in his rallies. They are brainwashed. Dangerous. Showed up at the Insurrection at the Capitol Building Jan 6, 2021. ... "Possessed"!!"I sincerely hope you're not deluded enough to actually believe that tripe. Throwing around loaded words like 'insurrection', just because far left lunatic democrats and leftist media morons do is a sign of a brainwashed mind. Insurrection: an organized attempt by a group of people to defeat their government and take control of their country, usually by violence: IP: Logged |
HeavenlyLove Knowflake Posts: 119 From: Allcity, Nothingland, Earth, Infinity Registered: Jan 2021
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posted April 27, 2021 04:48 PM
I guess you are talking to Mirage, but the passage you quoted is the one, I also found slightly extreme, but overall she is right.Why does it always have to be so one-sided ? Can we not all find something in the view of the other, that we can understand, in general I mean. The mother of love is understanding (or so I read, was a quote from Buddha). But also the mother of understanding is love actually. Edit to add : Whitout this love and understanding we will not be able, to work together, to prevent different disasters from happening. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8X0HNPkNInc IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 141305 From: Your Friendly Neighborhood Juris Doctorate. Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 27, 2021 05:56 PM
That was no insurrection. It was a far more peaceful protest than some of the BLM ones—and far less property damage and injured cops. Biden is turning out to be the real dictator.IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 18264 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 27, 2021 06:34 PM
quote: Originally posted by jwhop: "We have those NEO-NAZI YOUTHS, who showed up for {future-dictator ASPIRING} Trump, and acted out in his rallies. They are brainwashed. Dangerous. Showed up at the Insurrection at the Capitol Building Jan 6, 2021. ... "Possessed"!!"I sincerely hope you're not deluded enough to actually believe that tripe. Throwing around loaded words like 'insurrection', just because far left lunatic democrats and leftist media morons do is a sign of a brainwashed mind. [b]Insurrection: an organized attempt by a group of people to defeat their government and take control of their country, usually by violence: [/B]
The description you posted, is what happened on January 6th. She isn’t deluded, you are.
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teasel Knowflake Posts: 18264 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 27, 2021 06:34 PM
quote: Originally posted by Randall: That was no insurrection. It was a far more peaceful protest than some of the BLM ones—and far less property damage and injured cops. Biden is turning out to be the real dictator.
It was insurrection. IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 18264 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 27, 2021 06:36 PM
A large group of republicans refuse to certify the election, grump and his lot have wound up their supporters for months, they get them to attack the capitol, and then tell us it never happened. IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 18264 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 27, 2021 06:37 PM
quote: Originally posted by Belage: I need to take back my rant and lay the blame where it should lay. The young liberals are not the way they are due to cell phones, twitter and tiktok. Here is the reason.When they look around their homes, What do they see? They see electronics Made in China. Their clothings are Made in China. Their sneakers are Made in China. Practically everything they use is Made in China. Then, how are they supposed to know that communism is bad? What ground are we standing on as a society to tell them that communism is bad if in most of the homes in the US, Made in China is the label on everything they have? So the CCP quells dissent and censors the news... So they have social merits cards that reward or punish people based on how well they follow rules and diktats... So they are engaged in ethnic cleansing of religious minorities such as the Muslim Uighurs... So they've been ethnically cleansing Tibet for decades... THat means NOTHING to the youngings, most of them don't even know these things are happening and it also meant NOTHING to Americans as for decades we have allowed businesses to use Chinese labor to deliver cheap goods to us. The chickens have come home to roost.
There is nothing wrong with young liberals. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 141305 From: Your Friendly Neighborhood Juris Doctorate. Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 27, 2021 06:55 PM
If you think no cops and communism are good things, then it is no surprise that you haven’t a clue what insurrection is. Let me clear it up for you. It doesn’t matter what CNN says. Simply look at the charges filed. Trespassing and disorderly conduct. These are misdemeanors, not attempts to overthrow the government or acts of domestic terrorism.IP: Logged |
Belage Knowflake Posts: 4219 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 27, 2021 10:28 PM
@mirage, i take it as a compliment, thank you! I have Gemini south node, exact sextile of mercury and jupiter, and exact sextile of moon and Uranus. My thought process tends to run a little differently than the norm.You said some thoughtful things about our youth and I agree with a lot of it. They are the future. And I believe each new generation is given the spiritual tools to deal with the challenges it will face. So in the end, they will be allright. They will find their way and learn from their mistakes. The story of humanity is not rosy. It's been a story of battles with each other and with the elements, unspeakable atrocities and strife. Rarely has the world been at peace for extended period of times. Because of the current tools of destruction that could engulf our entire planet and leave no winner, warfare from those who seek to control others has to be conducted in other ways, in ways that are less obvious, more insiduous. You cannot just come in and subjugate an entire group of people by force like it was done in previous centuries. You have to seduce them, you have to subjugate their minds so that they can willingly give themselves to you. This is why I believe it is important to learn to think for yourself.
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mirage29 Knowflake Posts: 14489 From: us Registered: May 2012
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posted April 27, 2021 11:22 PM
HeavenlyLove.. Yes I guess that did come off with a bit of emphasis. I try to write in a really sound-toxic environment, and feel as though I 'compete' with the loudness behind music and mechanical beats/vibrations. I've noticed I use CAPS when those times are more stressful here. Sometimes when I post something with a lot of caps, later I'll go back in and tone it down. The other thing is kind of astrological. I'm having my Mars Return. It's part of an aspect with natal Mercury Gem that gives the impression of a Speech Writer, Polemics. Also have other astro features that add to it. I don't like name-calling, and am not a person who calls others stupid. I kind of cringe at thinking that someone would think of 'themselves' as stupid. It's kind of mean, and an arrogant thing to say to someone. .. Not fair. As I had mentioned, the age group referred to are those of our main 'workers' in Society. Things have been quite 'difficult' for them. And over these past years, so much propaganda has been let loose. Hard to know 'who' is telling the truth? So chaotic. Besides being in my Mars Cancer Return, I am still in the afterglow of my Venus Taurus Return.. Conjunct in the degree of my Venus H5 is asteroid 344 Desiderata Taurus 12.12. For that bracketed group --
I leave you with the words (and song) to Max Erhmanns poem, entitled, Desiderata. (music) You Are A Child Of The Universe (Les Crane; lyrics are Max Ehrmann's 'Desiderata') [4:15] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m-6o41CpHw Desiderata Max Ehrmann narrated by Les Crane Desiderata ('Things To Be Desired') Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. . . As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story. . . Avoid loud and aggressive persons; they are vexatious to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain or bitter, for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. . . Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. . . Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time. . . Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what Virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of Heroism. . . Be yourself. Especially do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment, it is as perennial as the grass. . . Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. . . Beyond a wholesome discipline, be Gentle with yourself. . . You are a Child of the Universe no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. . . Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be. And whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life, Keep Peace in your soul. With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful. Strive to be happy. (c) by Max Ehrmann in the 1920s _____________________________________________ April 29, 2021 5:06pm EDT Since this thread turned the page, I want to add this article here, to keep certain contents together on same page. This article is FOR Young Adults. *heart*
The Atlantic: FAMILY The Real Reason Young Adults Seem Slow to ‘Grow Up’ It’s not a new developmental stage; it’s the economy. NANCY E. HILL AND ALEXIS REDDING APRIL 28, 2021 - http://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2021/04/real-reason-young-adults-se em-slow-grow/618733/ ______________ Saw your comment to me below, iQ ! .. Thanks! IP: Logged |
mirage29 Knowflake Posts: 14489 From: us Registered: May 2012
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posted April 27, 2021 11:40 PM
Belage! Yes, I wrote that as a compliment.
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teasel Knowflake Posts: 18264 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 28, 2021 02:23 AM
http://twitter.com/amandacarpenter/status/1387233463208665096?s=20 Michael Fanone says he “absolutely” wants his body camera footage released. He says it will show the riot was “violent” and “brutal.” IP: Logged |
HeavenlyLove Knowflake Posts: 119 From: Allcity, Nothingland, Earth, Infinity Registered: Jan 2021
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posted April 28, 2021 08:56 AM
@ Mirage: I didn't want to critisise you btw, meant it in general, that we all could try to love and understand, easier said than done...🌺 Thank you so much for the beautiful song, fitting exactly at the moment. And the asteroid too, made me laugh about some aspects and almost cry, shows exactly what I'm feeling, what I expressed here... Sorry, no time until tomorrow evening...
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iQ Moderator Posts: 6446 From: Lyra Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 28, 2021 04:20 PM
Awesome post Mirage!
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teasel Knowflake Posts: 18264 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 28, 2021 05:06 PM
http://www.newsandguts.com/video/watch-dc-cop-who-barely-survived-january-6th-insurrection-incensed-by-whitewash-of-events/ IP: Logged | |