posted May 16, 2021 01:39 PM            

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Originally posted by placidus_flamingo:
This was updated. No masks needed for the vaccinated bc it does work.

And half a million people have died. What's senseless is assuming your convenience matters more than people's lives. That's one reason why China pulled through much faster than the US. There are so many people here who just don't give a **** .

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/14/health/cdc-masks-vaccines-variants.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/05/05/covid-19-fact-check-coronavirus-mortality-rate-misleading/3019503001/

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vaccine does not work against all strains, people with it can and do still get covid (i've personally known people)

i never claimed my convenience matters more than anyone's life, but start of the pandemic/quarantine i personally took care of covid patients, there was no vaccine and no one knew what was going on so 🤷‍♀️ wasn't exactly convenient but i did put myself out there for other people's lives (also never got it)

i've personally seen many people (even ones on hospice) recover and have very minimal issues due to covid, and i've held people's hands and swabbed their mouths etc while they've been dying i think i've probably had more actual experience around covid than you (unless your claim about caring about people on the frontlines of it was from personal experience rather than virtue signaling in which case hey we've both been there then...and you should know how high the recovery rates are)

trusting china's numbers is absolute ******** btw

posted May 16, 2021 02:23 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
A friend of mine in Tennessee, said that she went to her favourite place for a break, hoping to feel better, and she ended up feeling worse, because people have decided that the updated guidelines mean that we can just breathe over each other now, and that isn’t the case. She’s vaccinated, but her mum has an illness that has kept her somewhat isolated, even before covid, and her children can’t be vaccinated yet.

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posted May 16, 2021 04:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
vaccine does not work against all strains, people with it can and do still get covid (i've personally known people)

i never claimed my convenience matters more than anyone's life, but start of the pandemic/quarantine i personally took care of covid patients, there was no vaccine and no one knew what was going on so 🤷‍♀️ wasn't exactly convenient but i did put myself out there for other people's lives (also never got it)

i've personally seen many people (even ones on hospice) recover and have very minimal issues due to covid, and i've held people's hands and swabbed their mouths etc while they've been dying i think i've probably had more actual experience around covid than you (unless your claim about caring about people on the frontlines of it was from personal experience rather than virtue signaling in which case hey we've both been there then...and you should know how high the recovery rates are)

trusting china's numbers is absolute ******** btw

the death rate for covid is very low, that's just reality, and my lifestyle doesn't endanger anyone because i've been pretty much hermit mode outside of when i was taking care of people with covid so please don't lecture me about my "selfishness" because no one is getting sick from me going on solitary walks in the middle of nowhere and never going into stores etc (quarantine didn't even really change my life, just felt like i was practicing for it before it happened)

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I'm not lecturing you, the your was in a general sense. I'm pointing out that ANYONE who doesn't take proper precautions right now is selfish, by definition. More than six feet, outside, do your thing. And it's ten times deadlier than the flu, fyi.

posted May 16, 2021 04:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
And she's incapable of basic hygiene and changing her clothes etc? I've been coughed on by people who were definitely sick with covid and was fine. Cleaning yourself goes a long way, and I didn't get anyone in my family sick either so... I'm not seeing the issue with that

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posted May 16, 2021 05:10 PM            

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Originally posted by placidus_flamingo:
I'm not lecturing you, the your was in a general sense. I'm pointing out that ANYONE who doesn't take proper precautions right now is selfish, by definition. More than six feet, outside, do your thing. And it's ten times deadlier than the flu, fyi.

Florida's numbers are faked too. And remember when trump got it? It's just so strange to see this quasi-racist rant against China coming from a bunch of you when you don't see the deceit happening here in the US. And, no, I'm not basing my perception of their recovery based on just their numbers. as I said, I have friends who live China and used to work at an international company with an office there.

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i'm not really sure why you're talking about florida to me, i never mentioned it (or trump) and it's not racist to say the Chinese media is full of **** that's just truth so is our media (literally no racism in attacking the media of a country, that's not the people)

why are your friend's personal experiences valid but my own and coworkers etc are not?

i think it's pretty funny when people act like they're a hero for getting stuck in the arm but then haven't actually done anything to help anyone who was sick tbh (they're always so loud about it too)

maybe actually care for another person then talk about how you've done something 🤷‍♀️ 'til then it sounds like you're just feeding into a bunch of fear mongering

covid has over a 95% recovery rate, that's a fact, it's literally just not that deadly

also it's not my personal experience that being hygienic prevents disease, that's just a fact too if it wasn't then there'd be no point in preventative measures at all so even the **** you think people should be doing before a vaccine was an option should've been worthless

not everyone has gotten covid, not everyone will (and most who do will recover including the elderly, people with underlying conditions up to and including people who were given 6 months to live prior to getting covid) so it must be preventable

someone breathing on a vaccinated person is not going to get the vaccinated person sick (assuming the vaccine is effective) meaning they are not going to be a carrier in the same vein as an asymptomatic individual who's sick

so where's the disease for them to spread? their clothes? their skin? etc take a ******* shower then and change your clothes before hugging someone not vaccinated and call it a day

posted May 16, 2021 05:37 PM            

I have friends who got sick, who dealt with long-term symptoms (some still do). I've heard of heart damage, lung damage, etc. It's not as simple as just getting over it for everyone.

This forum is mostly made up of loud grump supporters, or independents who don't give a crap, and tell us that we shouldn't either. I'm no more loud than the rest of them, I just stick out like a sore thumb, because I haven't caved in my opinions and feelings, so that they will like me, and think that I'm smart, grounded, sane, etc. The more insults I get from some people, the more I know that I'm doing the right thing. I feel relieved when someone else sticks their neck out, and responds to some of these people, because I hate it here most of the time. Everyone else has each other's backs - it's a cozy little grump supporter's party in here.

posted May 16, 2021 05:55 PM            

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Originally posted by placidus_flamingo:

Florida's numbers are faked too. And remember when trump got it? It's just so strange to see this quasi-racist rant against China coming from a bunch of you when you don't see the deceit happening here in the US. And, no, I'm not basing my perception of their recovery based on just their numbers. as I said, I have friends who live China and used to work at an international company with an office there.

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So Florida's numbers are fake, but not New York's numbers, not California numbers, not any of the blue states numbers?

By the way, it is a typical tactic of the left to call people racist or to qualify what they say as racist in an attempt to shut them up. At the same time, being totally lacking in self-reflection and not noticing when you spew generalities and stereotypes on others, for instance when you felt comfortable enough to say that people here that disagree with you must be teaching creationism in school.

There has not been one racist word said about China. If there was one, point it out!

posted May 16, 2021 06:07 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
The one thing that has hurt my feelings in this forum, in a long time, was when Belage called me a monster, and said that she hoped I would never have children. After voting for a monster who also inflicted his children on the rest of us, and tried to overthrow the government.

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I don't believe every body should have kids and based on your comments in that thread, I am not taking back my comments. You strike me as someone who would tell a child they are responsible for passing a virus to grandma and they need to apologize on her deathbed.

I had no idea you cared so much about my opinion one way or the other. You certainly have not given any indication of that in the many times we have debated each other.

posted May 16, 2021 06:20 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I haven't noticed anyone thinking they're a hero, for getting vaccinated. I have noticed a lot of people over the past year, considering themselves to be "true patriots" if they don't even follow the basic requests of masks and distancing, and harassing others who are following them. Businesses who required people following the rules, to stay open, had a lot of comments from people stating they'd be back once all of this was over, and shame on them for caving to lies from the lamestream media and the democrats, who were just trying to make grump look bad. He could do that all by himself, and he did.

I have friends who got sick, who dealt with long-term symptoms (some still do). I've heard of heart damage, lung damage, etc. It's not as simple as just getting over it for everyone.

This forum is mostly made up of loud grump supporters, or independents who don't give a crap, and tell us that we shouldn't either. I'm no more loud than the rest of them, I just stick out like a sore thumb, because I haven't caved in my opinions and feelings, so that they will like me, and think that I'm smart, grounded, sane, etc. The more insults I get from some people, the more I know that I'm doing the right thing. I feel relieved when someone else sticks their neck out, and responds to some of these people, because I hate it here most of the time. Everyone else has each other's backs - it's a cozy little grump supporter's party in here.

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i love you teasel, and that was not a comment directed at you but in direct response to placidus' "doing my part" (paraphrasing here) while calling other people selfish comments

i think sometimes you let these things get too under your skin, and while i do think your sensitivity is an overall good quality it can make these sorts of conversations difficult 💜

i've definitely seen plenty of virtue signaling coupled with fear mongering and the implication that not falling in line with that means that someone is callous and uncaring which just isn't the case 🤷‍♀️

posted May 16, 2021 06:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i'm not really sure why you're talking about florida to me, i never mentioned it (or trump) and it's not racist to say the Chinese media is full of **** that's just truth so is our media (literally no racism in attacking the media of a country, that's not the people)

why are your friend's personal experiences valid but my own and coworkers etc are not?

i think it's pretty funny when people act like they're a hero for getting stuck in the arm but then haven't actually done anything to help anyone who was sick tbh (they're always so loud about it too)

maybe actually care for another person then talk about how you've done something 🤷‍♀️ 'til then it sounds like you're just feeding into a bunch of fear mongering

covid has over a 95% recovery rate, that's a fact, it's literally just not that deadly

also it's not my personal experience that being hygienic prevents disease, that's just a fact too if it wasn't then there'd be no point in preventative measures at all so even the **** you think people should be doing before a vaccine was an option should've been worthless

not everyone has gotten covid, not everyone will (and most who do will recover including the elderly, people with underlying conditions up to and including people who were given 6 months to live prior to getting covid) so it must be preventable

someone breathing on a vaccinated person is not going to get the vaccinated person sick (assuming the vaccine is effective) meaning they are not going to be a carrier in the same vein as an asymptomatic individual who's sick

so where's the disease for them to spread? their clothes? their skin? etc take a ******* shower then and change your clothes before hugging someone not vaccinated and call it a day

infectious diseases require specific conditions to spread, pretending otherwise is nonsensical and my age has nothing to do with that

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posted May 16, 2021 06:36 PM            

Ok, I am being a meanie.

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posted May 16, 2021 09:23 PM            

'You're gonna listen to these people?': Ricky Schroder films himself confronting Costco employee over mask policy

posted May 16, 2021 09:25 PM            

Essential workers raise concerns about new CDC guidance
Essential workers are raising concerns about the new CDC guidance on masking.

Earlier this week, the United Food and Commercial Workers International Union, which represents 1.3 million food and retail workers, said the guidance "is confusing and fails to consider how it will impact essential workers who face frequent exposure to individuals who are not vaccinated and refuse to wear masks."

"With so many states already ending their mask mandates, this new CDC guidance must do more to acknowledge the real and daily challenge these workers and the American people still face," Marc Perrone, president of the international union, said in a statement.

posted May 16, 2021 10:23 PM            

The minute the CDC tells them they can relax, the moment the science tells them they can relax, nope! They don't want to listen.

People are addicted to misery and fear. That is why people ride scary rollercoasters. That's why they watch horror movies, slasher movies, zoombie apocalypses, resident evil movies. I used to be like that. People don't want to feel good.

posted May 16, 2021 10:38 PM            

BECAUSE YOU'RE IMPLYING THAT CHINA'S THE ONLY PLACE TO **** WTH THE NUMBERS OR DOWNPLAY THE DISEASE. THEY'RE NOT. YOUR TAKE SHOWS BIAS.

AND LOOK AT THE REST OF THE THREAD. THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS COMPARING CHINA TO HITLER. I'D RECOMMEND YOU READ THIS
(https://blog.thefactual.com/can-chinas-covid-news-be-trusted),
BUT CONSIDERING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE VARIANTS YOU HAVEN'T READ THE OTHER STUFF I'VE SENT SO WHAT'S THE POINT...

why are your friend's personal experiences valid but my own and coworkers etc are not?

THEY ARE BOTH VALID. BUT I'M USING MORE THAN ONE DATA POINT. I'M NOT JUST LOOKING AT PERSONAL EXPERIENCE BUT THE SCIENCE BEHIND THIS.

i think it's pretty funny when people act like they're a hero for getting stuck in the arm but then haven't actually done anything to help anyone who was sick tbh (they're always so loud about it too)

LMFAO WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? PEOPLE WHO POST ON INSTA THAT THEY'VE BEEN VACCINATED? I FIND THAT ANNOYING TOO, BUT NOT AS ANNOYING PEOPLE WHO DENY THE EFFICACY OF THE VACCINE. HERE IS WHAT I SAID:

"No, I'm not particularly virtuous and I don't think what I said is virtue signaling. Being a citizen comes with certain perks and certain responsibilities. This is the bare minimum. And it certainly doesn't make me a good person."

maybe actually care for another person then talk about how you've done something 🤷‍♀️ 'til then it sounds like you're just feeding into a bunch of fear mongering.

HAVEN'T MENTIONED HOW I'VE DONE SOMETHING. STILL DON'T KNOW WTF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND IT'S NOT FEAR MONGERING TO TAKE SAFETY MEASURES DURING A PANDEMIC. IT'S A SCRAP OF FABRIC OVER YOUR FACE. WHY DO PEOPLE SEE THIS AS SUCH A BIG DEAL?

covid has over a 95% recovery rate, that's a fact, it's literally just not that deadly

5% OF WORLD POP IS HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE... BUT I GUESS AS LONG AS YOU'RE IN THE MAJORITY IT'S OK? WHERE DID YOU GET THAT NUMBER ANYWAY?

also it's not my personal experience that being hygienic prevents disease, that's just a fact too if it wasn't then there'd be no point in preventative measures at all so even the **** you think people should be doing before a vaccine was an option should've been worthless
READ UP ON HOW LONG IT STAYS ON CLOTHING.

not everyone has gotten covid, not everyone will (and most who do will recover including the elderly, people with underlying conditions up to and including people who were given 6 months to live prior to getting covid) so it must be preventable

someone breathing on a vaccinated person is not going to get the vaccinated person sick (assuming the vaccine is effective) meaning they are not going to be a carrier in the same vein as an asymptomatic individual who's sick

so where's the disease for them to spread? their clothes? their skin? etc take a ******* shower then and change your clothes before hugging someone not vaccinated and call it a day

AGAIN, MAYBE READ THE NYT ARTICLE I SENT. VACCINATED PEOPLE ARE NOT SPREADING IT BC THE VACCINE WORKS.

infectious diseases require specific conditions to spread, pretending otherwise is nonsensical and my age has nothing to do with that

posted May 16, 2021 10:42 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
The one thing that has hurt my feelings in this forum, in a long time, was when Belage called me a monster, and said that she hoped I would never have children. After voting for a monster who also inflicted his children on the rest of us, and tried to overthrow the government.

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I'm so sorry she said that to you. And to double down or imply it's your fault bc you're sensitive. I just can't. The level of discourse here is... not good.

posted May 16, 2021 11:03 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:
I earned my name a long, long time ago. Alhamdulillahi rabbil alamin

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OK, so we've established that you know the first verse of the quran.

What's still unclear is the shura part.

posted May 17, 2021 12:15 AM            

where did i imply that? in the quote you're responding to (that you ******* put right there btw) i literally say "so is ours" so please tell me how i managed to imply china's media is the only media that's full of **** in a response where i said "so is ours"?

i'd love to see you manage that

i don't give a **** about what other people have said, you're talking to me yeah? even if someone is comparing china's government to hitler (which i didn't personally do) that's still not racism against chinese people as an ethnicity

if i said some **** about the american government am i suddenly hating every american? no, governments are not ethnicities or the people they rule over

please learn what racism actually is instead of hysterically using buzzwords as if that proves your point (it doesn't, it weakens everything you say and i hope you realize that)

regardless though speak to me about what i've said, don't speak to me like i'm part of a collective, because everyone speaking to you is an individual, if you wish to address the collective you don't need to quote me directly and tell me i've said x when what you really mean is someone else said it and you're projecting that onto me

the science behind this is covid has a high recovery rate (literally just search it and you will see it) also why are you using the entire world's population here as an example as if everyone in the world is infected

this isn't the stand or the walking dead lol

i'm talking about you implying i'm selfish for not agreeing with you and going on about how you're a "responsible citizen" meanwhile only one of us has actually stuck their neck out for the people who are sick and it isn't you

which is exactly what you did earlier

why would i need to read up on how long it stays on clothing when one of the things i said about preventative measures to not spread it being "washing your clothes" you quote me saying that and yet you ignore that i said that in the first place to make what point exactly?

seems like you don't have one there

"wash your clothes" implies that not exposing people to potentially contaminated fabric is important does it not?

it's funny how you're making points i've made to argue with me, but it isn't exactly productive now is it?

i can find many articles about "breakthrough cases" and have personally known some because the vaccine is not 100% effective (they even admit this) and you can find that information as well, also how many search engines do you use for info because not all of them are equal

they don't all show the same **** , something to be aware of... almost like the media is controlled 😱

age can be a factor, but now you're assuming health which is something i've personally struggled with for many years so while i'm 34 i've dealt with my health since my teens and even worse stuff in my 20's etc been near bedbound before but hey what do i know about risk or not catching infectious diseases

it was only a crucial part of my job working with people who had covid especially considering i have underlying conditions thus making me "at risk"🤷‍♀️

again my age isn't relevant, especially considering i've seen 90+ year olds in hospice care recover i'd say you bringing it up is pretty pointless

you're talking down to me a lot for someone who seems blind to the conflicting "evidence" that can be found all over and who can't seem to read either

if you're going to talk to me please respond to what i say and read it, i'll respond regardless but it's a lot easier to get somewhere with a conversation when the person is actually paying attention

posted May 17, 2021 12:19 AM            

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Originally posted by placidus_flamingo:
I'm so sorry she said that to you. And to double down or imply it's your fault bc you're sensitive. I just can't. The level of discourse here is... not good.

I think it's kind of telling though that no one but you and I are actually linking to where we got our info from. Beliefs trumping science is how we got to that creationism remark, Belage. You do sound like you'd advocate for it.

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i told her she's sensitive because she seemed to take what i said to you as something personal about her when it had nothing to do with her. 🤷‍♀️ i have no comment on her and belage because that's between them, i only care that she doesn't take what i say to someone else personally and internalize it because she's a friend and i happen to genuinely care about her

she is sensitive, it isn't a flaw, but it can make her sometimes feel put on the spot (which she seemed to feel in her response) when it's not personal which it wasn't from me