posted May 19, 2021 12:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
If you live in Oakland and you want to pretend the sharp increase in homicide is due to anti Asian hate, I have to ask myself if you are a liar or a fool.

And frankly, I don't want to waste time arguing with either one.

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good because we haven't been communicating this entire time. I send something. you ignore. you send something, I skim and usually disagree. That's not arguing. Arguing usually requires rational players and listening.

And yeah anti asian hate has led to a ton of anti asian violence in this neighborhood. Including deaths. I've seen and heard it happen. It's gotten so bad that people are starting to walk the elders home. Is it the MAJORITY of homicides? Probably not, that category seems to still be dominated by black and latino men 20-30 years old. I was wondering if that had skewed this year, but you seem to be right.

So what do you think this sharp increase is about?

I think it could be in part because of covid, same as the asian violence. And yeah I don't think it's a stretch that violence begets violence.

But the biggest ??? is Why bring this up at all though? You want BLM people to instead start a protest against individuals or gangs who perpetrate violence? Because more people are killed bc of these reasons? And because then it would be less about protesting for it's own sake? LMFAO. Did I misunderstand or is your reasoning this warped?

posted May 19, 2021 12:28 AM            

It is hypocrisy to scream BLM all day everyday when you don't give a fig or don't do anything about the black lives lost to homicides in your neighborhoods.

posted May 19, 2021 12:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
MY POINT IS:

It is hypocrisy to scream BLM all day everyday when you don't give a fig or don't do anything about the black lives lost to homicides in your neighborhoods.

CLEAR ENOUGH?

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Uh not really.

Violence perpetrated by cops against unarmed individuals--- clearly wrong, clear things that can be done about it.

posted May 19, 2021 12:48 AM            

My answer still stands.

BLM is hypocrisy if it only concerns itself with police on black crime, not on the black on black crime which kills way more, and I mean WAY MORE blacks than the police.

posted May 19, 2021 12:53 AM            

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Originally posted by placidus_flamingo:
Uh not really.

Violence perpetrated by cops against unarmed individuals--- clearly wrong, clear things that can be done about it.

Violence in general, which I guess you're right is more prevalent-- also wrong, but what do you expect civilians to do? seriously?

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So in your world vision, we can fix the police on black crime, but when it comes to the now increasing number of black on black crime, there is nothing we can do?

posted May 19, 2021 12:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
So in your world vision, we can fix the police on black crime, but when it comes to the now increasing number of black on black crime, there is nothing we can do?

I would LOL if your answer wasn't so pitiful.

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...Yeah I do think we should be able to keep the people who are supposed to protect us from killing people.

posted May 19, 2021 01:01 AM            

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Originally posted by placidus_flamingo:
...Yeah I do think we should be able to keep the people who are supposed to protect us from killing people.

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I see. it's the kind of mindset that keeps violence in inner cities a chronic condition.

It's always easier to fight the enemy outside than to fix the enemy within.

posted May 19, 2021 01:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
I see. it's the kind of mindset that keeps violence in inner cities a chronic condition.

It's always easier to fight the enemy outside than to fix the enemy within.

Well, after a year of "peaceful" protests, ACAB and defunding the police, how is it working for ya? Are your lives safer?

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Why do you say the protests were not peaceful when 93% were considered so? seriously? why?

posted May 19, 2021 01:13 AM            

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Originally posted by placidus_flamingo:

ETA It's not just Oakland. Homicide's are up in lots of places. And the numbers started going up after the pandemic hit.

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posted May 19, 2021 01:23 AM            

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Originally posted by placidus_flamingo:
LOL you think more police would fix this??? You know that they RESPOND to crime right (well in the instances were they're not committing it). To address it is to go to the source. Increase resources for younger kids, mental health services, rehab for addicts, I think would be a good start.

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posted May 19, 2021 01:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
You are correct. Homicide are up in all the heavily democrats cities where BLM held sway. I only brought up Oakland because you pretended to care about black lives.

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LOLOLOL

posted May 19, 2021 01:27 AM            

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Originally posted by placidus_flamingo:
LOLOLOL

Highest murder rate per capita is in Louisiana, Mississipi, Alabama, Missouri, Alaska... do any of these sound like BLM centers to you?

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posted May 19, 2021 01:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Another good start would be people taking responsibility for what is happening in their neighborhoods, people stop finding excuses for and coddling criminal elements. 1 police (especially white) kills a black person => 1000 people will spontaneously take to the streets in protest and will riot and loot. But good luck finding people protesting the surge of homicides. This is unsustainable.

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How would one protest a surge in homicides? and what would that do?

Are you going to keep ignoring the 93% figure? Why are you making these sound like violent protests?

posted May 19, 2021 01:30 AM            

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Originally posted by placidus_flamingo:
How would one protest a surge in homicides? and what would that do?

Are you going to keep ignoring the 93% figure? Why are you making these sound like violent protests?

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It's so funny people throwing the 93% figure when we know in actuality, the downtown areas of major cities had to be boarded up because of rioting and looting done by the measly 7%.

And the peaceful 93% kept bailing out, shielding and defending the riotous 7%.

Goodnight!

posted May 19, 2021 01:45 AM            

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Originally posted by placidus_flamingo:
LOLOLOL

Highest murder rate per capita is in Louisiana, Mississipi, Alabama, Missouri, Alaska... do any of these sound like BLM centers to you?

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posted May 19, 2021 10:17 AM            

ETA: Here is the link again, so you don't have to goose chase through this thread:

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/pdfs/mm7010e3-H.pdf

posted May 19, 2021 10:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Another good start would be people taking responsibility for what is happening in their neighborhoods, people stop finding excuses for and coddling criminal elements. 1 police (especially white) kills a black person => 1000 people will spontaneously take to the streets in protest and will riot and loot. But good luck finding people protesting the surge of homicides. This is unsustainable.

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posted May 19, 2021 10:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Still have not heard you acknowledge and comment on the CDC study link I posted which showed that difference in covid stats between the counties that had mask mandates and those that didn't was less than 2%.

ETA: Here is the link again, so you don't have to goose chase through this thread:

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/pdfs/mm7010e3-H.pdf

We had an entire thread on it, but I guess you missed it.

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Here’s a study that shows the death toll being so high that it looks like Florida is underreporting

https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/10.2105/AJPH.2020.306130

And here’s some info about why the whole Florida v California comparison is not a fair one to make. (Both are outliers so it doesn’t actually show the effect of taking precautions)

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/why-do-california-and-florida-have-similar-covid-19-case-rates-the-answer-is-complicated#Looking-abroad-for-answers

posted May 19, 2021 11:22 AM            

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Originally posted by placidus_flamingo:
Here’s a study that shows the death toll being so high that it looks like Florida is underreporting

https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/10.2105/AJPH.2020.306130

And here’s some info about why the whole Florida v California comparison is not a fair one to make. (Both are outliers so it doesn’t actually show the effect of taking precautions)

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/why-do-california-and-florida-have-similar-covid-19-case-rates-the-answer-is-complicated#Looking-abroad-for-answers

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Do you even read my replies to you?

I have already told you a few pages ago that this study is not available unless one pays $24 to $38. I am going to assume you paid that money to access it since you claim to follow the science. I am going to ask you again to reprint here the full text of the study so we can all look at it.

And are you going to continue to ignore the CDC study I linked? You don't fight a study by posting a link to another study. That is not the scientific way to debate. That is not the scientific method.

All it shows is that THE SCIENCE ON MASKS IS NOT SETTLED, and you should not be going around acting smug and insinuating people who doubt the efficacy of masks are uneducated and teachers of creationism.

posted May 19, 2021 11:28 AM            

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Originally posted by placidus_flamingo:
The abstract with the figures didn’t paint a picture? And did you check out the other one?

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