posted September 02, 2021 12:38 PM            

But when dealing with some folks on the right and Trump, they just don't want to see any of that, and so no matter how much evidence you do present (because I have done this before multiple times), they just don't see it, because they don't want to.

At this point, the people that have dug their heels in, are the ones that really have dug their heels in.

I actually know some people on the right that previously supported Trump, but even they came to realize that he was not living up to his promises and assertions made pre presidency. Ah, bombing Syria for a more specific example.

Conversely, I know some people on the left that previously supported Obama, but came to realize that he was not living up to his promises and rhetoric.

This country is not run by Presidents and congress anyways. It is run by international banking institutions, mega corporations, and the intelligence agencies which tell the politicians what to do, what to say, etc. None of which are publicly voted in. None of which we have any control over.

It is a stinking pile of corruption, and Trump cow towed to that just as much as any president. A great example is his flipped reaction to Covid. At first he was saying it wasn't that big of a deal, like a flu. Then, almost over night, it was we need a vaccine, we need lock downs, and the whole 9 yards. Someone over at Langley or wherever likely had a talk with him.

posted September 02, 2021 02:42 PM            

Regarding what you call his Covid flip flop. I am afraid you have not really kept up in real time with what was happening.

Trump did NOT downplay the virus at first. In fact, he issued an executive order against travel from China, way before the WHO declared we had a pandemic. When the rest of the US was still not worried much about a pandemic, his order was considered xenophobic and anti Chinese and he took a lot of flack for it.

He also correctly stated that the virus had escaped from a Wuhan lab, which of course was anathema in our CCP controlled world, and the opposition wasted no time shutting this down. Now we know that he was right, see you can't shut the truth out forever.

When finally all the world's major "civilized" nations went into lockdown, of course Trump supported lockdown too. Yeah, remember that we just need 2 weeks to flatten the curve lockdown argument?. which later turned into permanent lockdown for many countries. Trump has NEVER supported prolonged locdowns.

Trump's gut instincts about Covid have been off at least 50% of the time, due to transit Neptune squaring his highly intuitive NN/Uranus/Sun stellium. Not because he is beholden to some unseen handler telling him what to do. You may say whatever you want about Trump, he is bombastic, boastful, unpresidential, prideful, he has said some stupid things, he is addicted to the limelight, and you would be correct. He is a very flawed man. But he remains his own person.

posted September 02, 2021 02:50 PM            

Now, you say:
"There are some truths that just seem obviously self evident."

So far, I haven't seen any 'truth'.

Then you say Trump supporters are so dogmatic in their support that no 'truth' can penetrate. But still, you don't offer any proof.

In the amount of time you've already wasted, you could have listed at least 10 instances where Trump has done what Biden is accused of...if you have a valid premise.

There comes a point when it's time to fish or cut bait. But general allegations don't cut any ice.

posted September 02, 2021 04:29 PM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
Trump denies it and General Kelly was on the call with Trump. DEBUNKED

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This irrational need to defend Trump!

I was remarking on the difference in media coverage.

As Galactic points out, the narrative remains the same. The same 'meat' is thrown to opposing groups. Whether the Trump/Biden stories are true or false is near impossible to verify, and really what does it matter? The only difference is in mass media coverage.

posted September 02, 2021 04:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Is there even 1 family out of the 13 ones that thinks highly of Biden and thinks he has done a good job and bears no responsability for the shitshow in Afganistan and has said so publicly?

Even one?

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I don't know but it's a good question

If I were one of Biden's handlers, I'd wait until the ****** off moms had their say then drag out whoever I found (I'd be looking) willing to speak in his favor.

Last word is best remembered

posted September 03, 2021 12:20 PM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
"This irrational need to defend Trump!"

The irrational need to blame Trump! But, for what?

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Let him go, Jwhop. He failed you. He's failing you now.

posted September 03, 2021 01:39 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:
Let him go, Jwhop. He failed you. He's failing you now.

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More general accusations, unspecific.
Are you related to GCE?

On the other hand, Trump didn't fail me or fail America. He kept his campaign promises and moved America in the right direction...against the wishes of the 'I hate America, America Last, Globalist morons'.