posted September 15, 2021 08:34 PM            

6 weeks is just not realistic for many women. Maybe 3 months could spawn some much needed discussion and debate, but 6 weeks, nah sir.

posted September 16, 2021 01:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Covid mandates and a police state vs. abortion. We shall see.

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The abortion issue can mobilize most women, and women constitute half of the electorate, so dismissing its importance is not smart.

The antidote against our current tyranny is not conservatism but enlightened libertarianism. This country was founded by people who were freeing themselves from systematic tyranny. They were not trying to be conservative. They wanted to live a life of FREEDOM. That is why the very first amendment in the Bills of Rights list the essential liberties that we all value, but that have been trampled on these past 2 years.

posted September 16, 2021 01:13 PM            

I don't believe in giving businesses free reins to do whatever the heck they want. Right now, many business want to impose vaccines on their workers. Is that right? I don't believe in giving business free rein to dump toxic waste on the environment and communities. I believe there should be regulations against that stuff.

I don't believe all unions are bad. Right now, some unions are fighting for the right of their members to opt out of vaccine. That's a good thing.

We are fighting for the soul of the nation and the principles on which it was founded, a nation founded on the respect of essential liberties as listed in the first amendment, which is FIRST for a reason.

The right to abortion could arguable be part of the exercise of personal liberty. You don't like a woman's decision to abort, fine, but making laws to unilaterally limit it without some kind of national consensus is foolish at best and does not respect the spirit of the constitution.

posted September 16, 2021 02:13 PM            

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Perhaps, because you are not a conservative, you are lumping all women together. Therefore, you can't say that 50 percent of the electorate are going to vote against Republican candidates simply because they have a vagina. Most conservative women are celebrating the Texas law as a win for the rights of the unborn. That being said, the issue should be decided by the states. Since you mentioned the Constitution, and in partiocular, the Bill of Rights, there should be no taking of life without due process of law.

It's not about businesses being free to do anything they want. It's about federalism and government overreach.

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The Constitution confers/delegates no power to the federal government to oversee the health of citizens of the states.

10th Amendment
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

posted September 16, 2021 02:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Perhaps, because you are not a conservative, you are lumping all women together. Therefore, you can't say that 50 percent of the electorate are going to vote against Republican candidates simply because they have a vagina. Most conservative women are celebrating the Texas law as a win for the rights of the unborn. That being said, the issue should be decided by the states. Since you mentioned the Constitution, and in partiocular, the Bill of Rights, there should be no taking of life without due process of law.

It's not about businesses being free to do anything they want. It's about federalism and government overreach.

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I honestly don't believe all this legal wrangling will influence the visceral opinions of the majority of women in this country who happen to support the right to choose even if they disagree with abortion personally. And they will vote accordingly.

The democrats understand that, and they will shamelessly use this issue to stay in power.

posted September 16, 2021 02:48 PM            

when Facebook and Twitter deplatform someone whose opinion they don't like, it could be argued from a conservative point of view that they have the right to do so, as businesses they can do whatever they want.

When businesses want to fire someone who won't take the jab, from a conservative point of view it could be argue that they have the right to do so, that people are employed at will and if they don't like the company policy, they can just leave.

posted September 16, 2021 02:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Saving this country and whatever is left of our essential liberties is truly not a fight between conservatism and progressivism.

when Facebook and Twitter deplatform someone whose opinion they don't like, it could be argued from a conservative point of view that they have the right to do so, as businesses they can do whatever they want.

When businesses want to fire someone who won't take the jab, from a conservative point of view it could be argue that they have the right to do so, that people are employed at will and if they don't like the company policy, they can just leave.

Interestingly enough, the above conservative talking points are being used by the democrats/progressists to further their tyranical agenda, proving that this is not truly a conservative vs liberal ideology fight we are truly dealing with.

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posted September 16, 2021 04:56 PM            

Government cannot act through 2nd or 3rd parties to do what would be illegal if government did it directly. Government cannot curtail constitutional rights by acting through non-government entities...which is what the Biden administration is doing.

posted September 16, 2021 06:16 PM            

My body my choice has long been a liberal/democrat/progressive talking point. And we see how quickly these groups are abandoning this viewpoint when it comes vaccine, while it is being embraced by a lot of people on the other side.

That is why we need to stop looking at the fight for the soul of this country through the narrow frame of conservatism vs progressivism. The issue is much bigger than that.

I am just the messenger.

posted September 16, 2021 06:40 PM            

@Belage

"The use of conservative talking points to advance the democrats/globalists agenda may be illegal and even unconstitutional, but it is happening, those companies are doing it without major consequences for them, and looking at you like, whatcha gonna do?