posted October 17, 2021 02:03 PM            

I came upon this video made by a woman who was conceived in a rape. Her mother was raped at 11 by a 21 year old man and gave birth to her at 12.

https://youtu.be/ZkV0T-hTmXs

posted October 17, 2021 02:06 PM            

I was conceived within what used to be called holy matrimony. Others are conceived out of wedlock. Others are conceived in a petri dish.

Yet others are conceived in rape.

We do not choose the circumstances of our conception.

If we could talk to a fetus/baby and ask it, should we abort you or should we let you live, what do you think it would reply?

posted October 17, 2021 02:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
I got to think...

I was conceived within what used to be called holy matrimony. Others are conceived out of wedlock. Others are conceived in a petri dish.

Yet others are conceived in rape.

We do not choose the circumstances of our conception.

If you could talk to a fetus/baby and ask it, should we abort you or should we let you live, what do you think it would reply?

Should'nt all fetuses/babies have a chance at life? I now see that pro-lifers are not necessarily people whose overarching goal is to enslave women's bodies. I am still pro-choice, but the issue is not so black and white. Both sides need to have real conversations and try to reach some workable consensus.

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posted October 17, 2021 06:29 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
No, they don’t. Especially when it comes to kids who are raped.

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I understand your position. I was where you are for most of my life.

I have been contemplating this issue. We don't choose the manner of our conception.

posted October 17, 2021 07:34 PM            

But I can imagine a family court requiring the rapist pays child support.

posted October 18, 2021 03:37 PM            

According to a number of spiritual-psychic sources that I respect, its kind of "yes and no" thing re: the above.

As Souls and especially as Expanded selves, we often are aware of those bodies and life paths that we are most likely to connect with, and as we get closer to the incarnation period, we zero in on a particular situation/body/life path.

Sometimes lilies can and do grow out of the muck, but often, things occur more according to "Like attracts, begets, and resonates with Like" which is one of the fundamental Laws built into all levels of Creation.

This is the Sources built in "balancing" and "growth inducing" structure for Creation.

For example, Cayce's guidance spends much time and focus on the origins of Yeshua ("Jesus") in both a physical and deeper spiritual and metaphysical sense. According to his source, the group that has been called the Essenes literally spent centuries working to create the right conditions for that Messiah of Messiahs to be attracted in (in Jewish/Hebrew tradition there have been and may be multiple Messiahs).

They did this through a kind of spiritualized version of eugenics (not the controlling, over material focused Bill Gates type) that understood and respected the above Law. And they did this in a very holistic way. They individually dedicated themselves to spiritual growth and body purification/balance, but also mated certain individuals according to their vibratory levels and matching. Those they found to be the fastest vibratory (say through their aura patterns, character, etc), were chosen to be the potential vessels of the Messiah of Messiahs.

Basically, they were trying to create ever faster vibratory and more balanced bodies that would be a good fit for a Soul like Yeshua so that he could more fully and clearly stream through his consciousness into the material dimension.

That centuries of work culminated in the birth of Miriam's mother, who according to this source and to Catholics was conceived unusually i.e. without a human father involved, and then later to Miriam doing the same with Yeshua. (I suspect it was somewhat different process in their respective cases though. I suspect Anna's was more ET oriented and Miriams was more pure Spirit/consciousness oriented).

Could Yeshua have come in any other way and have been Yeshua, the only human in the last great cycle to fully overcome the world and to become a pure channel of Source and Divine Love consciousness? No, not really. He could have incarnated into a rape situation or the like, but he would not have been able to reach the heights and capabilities that he did (his body would have fought against/been antagonistic to the Soul/consciousness more so). He perhaps could have become a spiritual teacher and/or messenger to some extent, but not to the degree he had as Yeshua with that background and that deliberate, constructive building up.

In any case, ultimately, a woman should have autonomy over her own body. Nor do I view it as murder when I know that the Soul doesn't more fully connect to the body until around birth (my own rather intuitive mother saw this process at my birth). Most abortions happen way before that point. It is the Soul that makes a human body truly human. Until that full energetic connection is made, it is more a lump of unconscious and unchoosing flesh that is kept alive by a general Spirit of life.

In many cases of SIDS, the Soul decides to withdraw from the body for whatever reason(s). Should we try to outlaw Souls from choosing/doing that just because the host body dies in the process? Humans, ever over material minded.

And in the case of abortions, and the potential Souls that are connected to that process, do you really think that the Souls looking on the conditions from the nonphysical have no idea of that probability? Course they do. Sometimes they will wait for the mother to create a new body to incarnate.

From a spiritual perspective, it's really not a big deal. And so many of you who do have problems with abortion seem to have no problem with violating the freewill process of animals and murdering their bodies for food. Animals have Souls too. But I guess it is ok to murder them even though they are already fully connected to their bodies? Because of what? Because you "like" the taste? Or, "that's what people do"?

Ye hypocrites!

posted October 19, 2021 01:12 AM            

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Originally posted by Dee:
It's happened a lot over the years. And the court knows about the rape.
Here's one case.

http://nypost.com/2017/10/09/convicted-rapist-gets-joint-custody-of-victims-child/

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I didn't know this was a thing, This is messed up and that Sanilac County Circuit Judge Gregory S. Ross who made this ruling is demended or probably a rapist himself. Thanks for pointing it out,

posted October 21, 2021 03:39 PM            

There are spiritual dimensions and various opinions on the subject of conception, and I appreciate your take, but I wanted to approach the subject on purely humanistic and legalistic grounds.

On these grounds, we as a society have reached a stage where we do not make differences when asserting the rights of offsprings.

For instance, if a man dies and leaves a 10 million inheritance for his 3 children, and another person comes up claiming that the deceased was his father and has the DNA proofs to back up his claim, he would be entitle to seek part of the inheritance, regardless of the situation of his conception.

Basically society from a humanistic and legal point of view is saying that regardless of the conception, a being is entitled to certain rights...

So how come we think differently when it comes to those conceived in rape that we automatically assume they don't have a right to life?

This is what I am pondering these days.

posted October 21, 2021 04:21 PM            

Humans choose their birth circumstance and life path, inasmuch as that higher state of consciousness can be thought to 'choose.'

Rape can, though far from always, attract a lower energy spirit (for lack of a better description) with difficult karma. Naturally, a mother may sense this and instinctually pull away. A more mundane take ofc being the association a woman will make between the rape and the pregnancy/child is an insurmountable emotional burden.
fwiw A mother's acceptance of the perhaps troubled spirit will go a a significant way in healing both her and the child's karma. It's the opportunity for a massive leap forward spiritually. See how often a tragedy in this world is a gift in the other? Similar to the way adoption by infertile couples often leads to a surprise pregnancy. I think Linda Goodman mentions this phenomenon in one of her astro books?

And there's the problem. I can't prove all this to anyone - you just have to see for yourself. Likewise, no one can disprove it to me.

So we must make decisions based on the little data we are all able to agree on. Not much, sadly.