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Topic: Their mom died of COVID. They say conspiracy theories are what really killed her
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teasel Knowflake Posts: 21894 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 28, 2022 04:16 AM
http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/04/24/1089786147/covid-conspiracy-theori es
quote: Stephanie was 75 when she succumbed to COVID-19 this past December. But Laurie says it wasn't just COVID that killed her mother. In the years leading up to her death, Stephanie had become embroiled in conspiracy theories. Her belief in those far-out ideas caused her to avoid vaccination and led her to delay and even refuse some of the most effective treatments after she got sick."
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When the daughters reached high school, Stephanie began to get into astrology and tarot. She did readings to advise people about things like houses, kids and jobs. It was quirky, but Laurie says that Stephanie brought a lot of positivity and optimism to her sessions."Everybody loved it, because everybody is always trying to figure out their lives. There's always the struggles," she says. "She spread hope with people." For all her star charts and spiritual ideas, Stephanie was practical when it came to her health. She went for regular checkups, and she was a big believer in vaccines. "She made sure I took the flu shots, we took the shingles shot, we took the pneumonia shot," Arnold recalls. "I mean, I was like a pincushion."
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Perhaps partially because she was isolated and feeling down, Stephanie got into watching strange videos and sending them to the rest of the family. Vikki says it was Laurie who was really the first to notice."She called me up one day and was like, 'All right, have you been watching these videos that Mom is sending us?'" The videos covered a wide range of far-fetched conspiracy theories: JFK Jr. is still alive; reptilian aliens control the government. Arnold says he wouldn't even look at them: "Watching them, to my way of thinking, would have reinforced that they were valid. Even if I'd argued against them, she wouldn't have accepted my argument." Stephanie's fringe ideas were troubling, but the family still hung out. Laurie says sometimes they fought over her beliefs, but often they kept the conversation on things like the grandkids. Then came the pandemic, and everything changed. Stephanie's videos told her COVID was a hoax. But Laurie and Vikki took it seriously. They were worried about giving their parents the virus. So they stayed away, trying to keep them safe. "We just stopped seeing each other as a family," Laurie says. "We didn't do Thanksgiving that first year." While the family stayed away, others did not. Through her astrology, Stephanie had formed a spiritual group that met weekly at her house. And like Stephanie, other members of that group didn't believe the virus was real. The more time they spent together, the more Stephanie became invested in her beliefs. Arnold says it was "tribal": "Staying in the same clique, reinforcing each other, and not getting outside opinions."
Repeating this, because it reminds me of this board, and others:
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While the family stayed away, others did not. Through her astrology, Stephanie had formed a spiritual group that met weekly at her house. And like Stephanie, other members of that group didn't believe the virus was real.The more time they spent together, the more Stephanie became invested in her beliefs. Arnold says it was "tribal": "Staying in the same clique, reinforcing each other, and not getting outside opinions."
That's what this place has been like, all along. Those who speak against them, like me, are treated like we know nothing, and that we should agree with you, or shut up, otherwise there is something wrong with us. The pile-ons and insults here in GU, and in those threads that were political in Astro 2, but not moved. quote:
When the COVID vaccines came along, Stephanie absolutely refused to get one because she falsely thought the shots contained tiny microchips. Moreover, she began avoiding her daughters, who had gotten vaccinated, because she believed false information that the vaccines were being used to somehow spread COVID.Arnold didn't get vaccinated, to try and keep the peace.
She avoided her own children and grandchildren, because they were vaccinated against covid. She chose to keep the peace with her spiritual group, and didn't protect herself. Her husband kept the peace with her, by not getting vaccinated. quote:
"Most people who are really into disinformation and conspiracy theories don't believe in a single conspiracy theory," he says. Rather, they're drawn into a self-reinforcing conspiratorial worldview in which conspiracies build on one another. While the theories can seem disparate, they often have unifying themes: They feed distrust in sources of authority; they claim insider knowledge that makes the believer feel valuable; and frequently, that knowledge includes a secret plan to defeat the forces of evil.Van der Linden says there are three major reasons why people are drawn into this world in the first place: fear and anxiety about the future, a desire to have a simple explanation for complex or seemingly random events, and the social support that communities around conspiracy theories can provide.
Of course, there's also the menace Rump, that some people worship. quote:
Benscoter herself is a former cult member. She says the conspiracy narratives provide reassurance. Even if the facts seem crazy, they can provide emotional stability. Speaking of her own past, she says these tales gave clarity because they turned complex problems into simple questions of good versus evil."It feels so good; I never felt so secure. I mean I knew what was right and wrong. There was no question," she says.
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Efforts to dissuade Stephanie from her beliefs were frequently met with outbursts of rage, her family says. "She was angry that we weren't listening to her and believing what she believed," Vikki says. "A couple of times I tried to speak to her on an analytical basis," Arnold says. "But I could see she was getting defensive, and I didn't want to alienate myself from her."
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teasel Knowflake Posts: 21894 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 28, 2022 04:20 AM
Just in case I'm adding too many quotes to one post, I started another: quote:
Out of timeUnfortunately for Stephanie, she did not have time. In November of 2021, just before Thanksgiving, Arnold and Stephanie met two other couples for dinner at a popular local restaurant. "Afterwards, she started developing symptoms," Arnold says. But she refused to get tested. Instead, she ordered drugs online from a natural healer in Florida. Two of the drugs, ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, are ineffective against COVID, but many conspiracy theorists believe they work. Stephanie waited for the pills to come. "She was waiting for the pills and I said, 'Why wait? You could go to the doctor right now. You have amazing health insurance. You don't have to wait,'" Laurie says. All the while, she was getting sicker and sicker. The daughters got her a device to check her blood-oxygen level: It was at just 77%. Vikki called a friend who was a nurse: "She said, '77?! You need to get your mom to the hospital. She could die!' And I said, 'Really?'" Stephanie still didn't want to go, but after hearing she could die, she eventually gave in. Arnold drove her to the hospital. Even after she was admitted, she turned down some effective treatments for COVID. One drug, called remdesivir, has been proven to reduce the severity of COVID, but Stephanie believed conspiracy theories claiming the drug was actually being used to kill COVID patients. Stephanie also refused another treatment shown to be very effective for patients with COVID-19: monoclonal antibodies. Laurie remembers how one doctor responded when he learned that Stephanie had refused the drugs: "He was like, 'Why didn't you take any of the treatments Stephanie?' She found every little piece of energy in her and yelled back at him, 'BECAUSE IT'LL KILL ME!'" Meanwhile, Arnold had developed symptoms and was getting sicker and weaker. He eventually asked his daughters for help. Vikki drove him to get monoclonal antibodies. He worsened overnight, and the next day, he was admitted to the same hospital that Stephanie was staying in. Unlike his wife, Arnold accepted every treatment he was offered. "He said yes to everything. He said yes to every treatment they were willing to give him," says Vikki. "My Mom said no." He was discharged after just five days. "I felt hopeful, because I told her I was going home. I told her, 'I'll be waiting for you.' And then, everything started deteriorating," Arnold recalls. "She was fighting a fight without any defenses," says Perihan El Shanawany, a doctor with Northwell Health, who was part of the team that cared for Stephanie. As Stephanie grew sicker, she started developing blood clots on her lungs. El Shanawany knew that as things progressed, Stephanie would only suffer more. "Patients at that point feel like they're suffocating, they're drowning," El Shanawany says. "It's a horrible way to die." The only option Stephanie had left was to go on a ventilator. So Dr. El Shanawany sat down with her and asked her what she wanted. "She did say that she's had enough. That's her words, 'I've had enough. This is not a life. I can't live like this anymore'," El Shanawany says. During a video call, Laurie heard her mother's wishes. She had been urging Stephanie to fight because she felt it wasn't her time. But hearing those words, "I can't live like this anymore," something changed. For years they had been battling over the lies and conspiracies. Laurie knew it was time to make peace with the mother she loved. And that meant helping Stephanie to die comfortably. "My whole mission after hearing that was to help her get her wishes," she says. Laurie stayed by her mother's side, reading text messages from friends and relatives who wanted to say goodbye. At one point, seeing she was suffering, Laurie played her some music written by a family member: "She gave me a thumbs up," Laurie recalls. "She was there." "We all said goodbye and told her she was the best," Laurie says. Stephanie died the next day. It was Dec. 28, a few days after Christmas.
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She also says she's slowly making her peace with Stephanie's death."I'm a lot less angry," she says. But she still thinks about the people who make the paranoia-laced videos that her mother consumed day after day. She understands that something inside her mother drew her to those voices, but Laurie still sees Stephanie mainly as a victim of the grifters and attention-seekers who generate many hours of falsehoods every day to grab money, likes and shares. "Whoever is creating all this content, is on some level waging a war — here in America — inside of every family," she says. "I think people need to wake up to that."
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teasel Knowflake Posts: 21894 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 28, 2022 04:37 AM
Now bring on the insults, I guess. For your own amusement, because I won't be reading them.IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 156719 From: I hold a Juris Doctorate (J.D.) and a Legum Magister (LL.M.)! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 28, 2022 09:45 AM
This sounds entirely made up to discredit sound Covid treatments that have already been proven to work. When a story reads like this, it is probably a work of fiction. But you sure do love your fear porn! I’ll give you a story. It’s a story about millions who have never worn a mask, never received a jab, never social distanced, never used hand sanitizer, and who hug and shake hands regularly. I’m proud to be a member of that group. I’ve also never been tested. I do not live in fear. I am sorry so many have been duped by our government and have avoided simple healthful practices, such as losing weight and taking vitamin D and zinc. These millions of us have not gotten sick nor have died. The science now invalidates masks, lock-downs, and social distancing. They had zero effect. No need for a tale filled with fictional drama. We simply lived our lives.IP: Logged |
Belage Knowflake Posts: 6083 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 28, 2022 03:14 PM
I think most of us are weary of arguing, teasel.NPR has lost all credibility as far as I am concerned and has become a mouthpiece for Big Pharma and globalist agenda. I still fondly remember when they used to represent the little people. If you want to keep the fear of Covid pandemic alive, and you yearn for the days of mandates, lockdown, and mandatory masking, you can do so. I am sure Fauci and nem will be pushing for these things in a few months, as they have not lost the urge to control others. IP: Logged | |