posted May 20, 2022 12:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
This is exactly the way it should be. The state legislatures should decide.

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Sure, but it doesn't mean it is morally or ethically correct.

What right does any bureaucracy have to tell a woman what she and can't do with her own body? Absolutely none. No more than any bureaucracy has a right to tell people that they HAVE to take experimental vaccines.

And until a Soul completes its connection to the body, the body is just an animal being kept alive by a general spirit of life. A hunk of barely sentient flesh. It is not a human being with freewill, humanity, etc.

The individual Soul connected to a human body is what truly makes a human, human. Not the physical body itself. Souls existed long before human bodies and will exist long after there is no earth.

posted May 20, 2022 12:34 PM            

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Is it morally or ethically correct to take a baby’s life? If we are going to use morals and ethics in the debate, then let’s apply them on the other side. Or how about a Constitutional argument? No taking of life without due process. But ultimately, rights not given to the federal government are reserved for the states. SCOTUS made a bad ruling with Roe. We have to face the facts and take things as they are. This is going to happen. The states will have to decide. As it should be. Some states may severely restrict abortion while others may allowlate term. People from either side who are not happy are free to move. Your soul argument is your opinion. We all have one. An opinion, that is. That doesn’t make it truth. Exactly when does a soul complete the connection to a body? That is up for debate, isn’t it? Abortion isn’t going away. But the people will now elect their state representatives to reflect what they want the laws on abortion to be for their state. It’s not the perfect solution, but it’s the way federalism works and how our Founders intended government to work.

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Like many things in life, I try to approach such topics as scientifically like as possible. In cases like this, it is harder to do, because we are dealing with literally non-physical topics, which by nature are harder to consciously perceive, understand, etc.

But one of the ways that I do this, is I scan through all the world's most verified and highly credible psychic and spiritual sources, whether that is folks like Edgar Cayce, Robert A. Monroe and/or his Explorers (like Rosalind A. McKnight who was a personal friend of mine), Rudolph Steiner, NDE's with back up proof/evidence that it was a real NDE (i.e. people clinically declared dead etc), etc.

I then seek my own guidance about the topic under the most ideal conditions. For example, extremely deep meditation that proceeds after asking to connect and communicate with only the most spiritually evolved/mature, positive, helpful, loving sources. Then focusing on the feeling and awareness of a Source/Creator like Love. Then I ask my questions with having no preconceptions as to possible answers or how or when it will be answered.

As I started practicing meditation at age 13 and now am in my early 40's, I do know a little something about it and attuning to various different consciousness states, as well as communicating with guidance. I'm also a "graduate" so called of The Monroe Institute's Gateway Voyage program which is world renowned (and also took Bruce Moen's Afterlife Knowledge/exploration course down at his home in FL).

Where all these various different sources (outer and inner) all agree concurrently, I consider as more likely closer to truth than not. This is about as scientific as one can get in these areas.

And a plethora of more verified and credible sources indicate that the Soul does not fully connect to a baby's body until around the time of physical birth. Some sources like Michael Newton's books and in in between life regressions, does indicate that it is a little more complex because the Soul kind of goes in and out of the fetus's body, getting it ready for that more complete energetic merging closer to physical birth. I actually do agree with this, but I wouldn't put Newton and his work in the same category of Cayce, Monroe and explorers, and certain NDE accounts though.

As an aside, an interesting article about abortion in relation to the bible: http://aninjusticemag.com/heres-what-the-bible-really-says-about-abortion-f39d8a2a1cde]http://aninjusticemag.com/heres-what-the-bible-really-says-about-abortion-f39d8a2a1cde

Things are not so cut and dry, black and white as many conservatives and/or religious people seem to like to believe to bolster their own personal beliefs/feelings on the matter.

In any case, if my partner got pregnant, and SHE decided to have an abortion, I really wouldn't have any deep qualms about it. It is more her choice than mine, since it is her body.

The control of others and their freewill is one of society's most pernicious, insidious, and banal of evils. And women indeed have been overly subject to this for too long by the hands of men. We are going backwards on this issue.

The irony being that many conservatives and/or religious folks who identify as "patriotic" often (as shown by the past--Vietnam, Iraq war, Afghanistan war, etc) had no qualms about sending soldiers to kill and die for senseless, unjust reasons. So much for the "sanctity" of human life when it is convenient for them.

posted May 20, 2022 12:42 PM            

And in these cases, the Soul is still connected to the body, but just barely.

How much of a vegetable is a body when the Soul is not even fully connected to the body to begin with?

posted May 20, 2022 12:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
A baby isn’t her body. It’s as simple as that.And all those hypocrites who ranted for vaccine mandates really need to shut up about all this “my body, my choice” nonsense concerning baby murder.

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Seeing as I'm not in the above category, not sure what your point is. I agree that there is hypocrisy there.

Please answer honestly and directly Randall. When do you think the Soul connects more completely to a baby's body? Do you think it is right at conception. Somewhere in or near the middle. Or closer to physical birth?

Have you researched the Cayce work at all? Do you realize how much, ridiculously so, verification is contained within that body of some 14, 300 + individual psychic readings given over nearly 40 years? How often Cayce was tested by various others in his day from folks like Houdini, the head of Harvard Psych, various doctors, etc?

You do know that Linda Goodman was a big fan of, and very influenced by, Edgar Cayce and his work, right?

Cayce's guidance consistently over years states that the Soul doesn't fully make the connection to the body until sometime around physical birth/first breath. In fact, sometimes it doesn't do so until a number of hours after physical birth, which is why they say that astrological charts don't always fit a person.

Seeing as my own, rather psychic-intuitive mother told me that she saw a bright light descend and enter my body, many minutes after it was born, well perhaps you can understand that I am quite open minded to this source in this area. My Mom btw, was a fellow Cap Sun like us, and though she was very psychic and spiritual, she was also pretty grounded and balanced too (except for when it came to romance).

posted May 20, 2022 06:09 PM            

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All of this is pure speculation. As such, we could speculate back and forth all day. But by your view, abortion would be fine up until the moment a baby is born (takes its first breath), correct?

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It is not quite so black and white as that, as I have earlier intimated. I believe that over time, the Soul goes in and out of the fetus's body, lightly connecting with it here and there, before that moment of full energetic merging with the body near physical birth. (If it didn't do this, I believe that the possibility would be very high that the Soul could "blow out" that body's brain and nervous system--much like a high current going through a 60 Watt light bulb not meant for that high current and the bulb getting instantly burnt out).

But yes, technically, until the Soul is fully energetically merged with that body, that body is more purely an animal being, but one without much consciousness, self awareness, etc.

Because even in animals, there is a soul connected to the body. That soul may not be exactly like yours and mine, but it is still a soul with self awareness, feelings, and freewill/decision space.

Hence, that fetus without a Soul fully connected to it, is ultimately more of a lump of flesh being kept alive by the general spirit of life here in the material, than a true human being as we understand and perceive it. Again, it is the Soul connected to the body that makes that body a true human being. When you are interacting with another human being--to some extent you are interacting with their body and vice versa, but what you are really responding to and interacting with, is their Soul and the Soul connection between them and yourself.

With all that said, there are other reasons besides the above to keep abortions to earlier, like within the first few months ideally. Mainly for the health/well being of the mother's body.

It is not "pure speculation" btw. I'm citing a source that literally has hundreds and hundreds of real world verification of its psychically received information--everything from medical cases, to ancient history, to future predictions, to being tested by doctors, etc, etc. A source that almost single handedly jump started the holistic health and more non denomination spiritual movements in America. A source that Linda Goodman herself quite liked and respected.

But "nice try". I see your lawyer skills are in full operation. Good thing I was born with a lawyer like mind on steroids. (smile).

posted May 21, 2022 03:49 PM            

what is the law of air (heir) or hierarchy? Another day. Law of water (admiralty law). Another day. Read your bibles on which law applies where . Read Genesis again. It clearly explains the laws.

Point is contract does exists between a child and a mother and both should be agreeable. The supreme court are confined to opine and fit their judgement based on constitution. Constitution does grant inalienable rights to every soul once born here. And so does the bible (read Genesis)

The pubbers here specially are the pathetic sheeps because of which true awakening won't happen for a very long time. They are easily fooled by talks of freedom , when they don't know a damn thing and will never know it unless they rethink their reality. Truth is out there in plain sight but they refuse to see them.

posted May 21, 2022 05:02 PM            

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Every soul has a contract with mother earth and hence we all are here even when some of us wish to terminate that contract. She needs us. That is law of the earth.

what is the law of air (heir) or hierarchy? Another day. Law of water (admiralty law). Another day. Read your bibles on which law applies where . Read Genesis again. It clearly explains the laws.

Point is contract does exists between a child and a mother and both should be agreeable. The supreme court are confined to opine and fit their judgement based on constitution. Constitution does grant inalienable rights to every soul once born here. And so does the bible (read Genesis)

The pubbers here specially are the pathetic sheeps because of which true awakening won't happen for a very long time. They are easily fooled by talks of freedom , when they don't know a damn thing and will never know it unless they rethink their reality. Truth is out there in plain sight but they refuse to see them.

But I guess their existence is a necessary evil to keep the world populated for future souls to come here and learn the lessons of life. And their kids will bully your kids and act as catalyst and awaken them.

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posted May 21, 2022 06:09 PM            

arse -- ears (magical anagram)-- hahahah

posted May 22, 2022 05:24 PM            

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Yes, it is speculative. You can’t prove any of it. Just as I can’t prove my beliefs. Just because Linda liked someone doesn’t mean she ascribed to everything that person ever said or believed. Linda even told us not to believe everything she said but to search for our own truths. Linda was human. She was not infallible. For example, she believed that global warming was real. But why wouldn’t she? At that time, we had every reason to think “scientists” who knew more about this than we did had to be correct, right? My point is that Linda wasn’t perfect. No one is.

So, what you are saying is that a fully formed baby still in the womb is only a lump of flesh till it takes a breath of air, and if a late-term abortion could be proven 100 percent safe in 100 percent of all cases for the mother, then you would be all for it, correct?

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Definitive evidence/proof, no, of course not and already recognized this fact when I said that we are dealing with nonphysical/spiritual topics here. Also rather hard to prove astrology in a scientific way because of the nature of freewill etc, and yet, here we all are.

But, when a particular psychic source literally has hundreds and hundreds of separate/independent verification events and data pieces, and that same source says time and time again the Soul doesn't fully connect to the body until around the time of birth...

Then this becomes the closest to suggestive evidence as one can get in this area, especially when other credible and respected psychic-spiritual sources ALSO say similar. Or , like with my Mom and I, we had our own direct experience/perception.

Btw, I fully recognize that the Cayce work is not completely infallible. I don't think that is even possible in this dimension with 99.99999% of humans in relation to perception. My personal belief is that the only human on this earth that has infallible perception is Yeshua, and I believe that he is still operating from the form-image that he was born with and died with some 2000 years ago.

With that said, while the Cayce work is not completely infallible--I can safely say from nearly 3 decades of studying/researching metaphysics, spirituality, and looking at many various different psychics, mystics, etc, that there is NOTHING even close to the Cayce work so far in the earth. It is truly in a league of its own, and is not far from being infallible/mostly correct in most areas, most of the times.

When I talk about Cayce and the huge amount of verification that can be found in that work, I'm not just making stuff up. There have been MULTIPLE biographical works written about the man and his work. He caused the stir that he did, because of how unusual his work was, and how astounded so many people were back in his day.

Perhaps one of the best cases to illustrate this is little Aimee L. Dietrich daughter to a wealthy, well connected family. Besides the seizures mentioned in the article below, she was increasingly becoming intellectually impaired/delayed. She had started off normal when very young, but after these seizures started, she did not progress, but regressed more and more. when not having seizures etc, she would often just stare off into space for long periods of a time and not interact much at all with the surrounding environment and others when her case was brought to Cayce for a reading.

This case received A LOT of notoriety at the time because the family was wealthy and well connected and Cayce was written about in the New York times, etc.

This article has some more details, and Aimee's case is the first one (i.e. the 5 year old girl, found from pages 4 to 6):
http://cayce.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/epilepsybook.pdf]http://cayce.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/epilepsybook.pdf

After the family and their doctor followed the Cayce suggestions, not only did the girl eventually return to a normal, high functioning state, but she later went on to go to and graduate from college when at age 5 to 6, she was practically a catatonic vegetable! How do you explain this Randall? Just pure "luck"? A "coincidence"?

How many people do you know who can lay down on a couch, go into a deep trance, and get information about almost anything and anyone that time and time proves to be correct and accurate, and often with no physical contact with the patient or no pre-knowledge of the subject?

The famous magician Houdini made it his job to bust/debunk fraudulent mediums and he was VERY good at this. Edgar is the only person he investigated that he didn't come out after and call a fraud. In fact, some evidence suggests that he may have been influenced by the Cayce readings. Why? Because shortly before Houdini's untimely death, he was working on making a movie that he had written the screen play for. The screen play's premise was an unusual one--a man had been frozen and when he was rethawed centuries later, he met the love of his life in her reincarnated form and they continued their love/romance. Reincarnation was a huge theme in the spiritual part of the Cayce work, and it wasn't something that Houdini seemed to have any previous interest. He was skeptical, intellectual Jew.

He got into the medium busting/debunking thing, because while he was very skeptical, he did want to believe that his beloved mother had survived the death of her body. But I think he became resentful when he would go to psychics/mediums and feel like he was being ripped off/lied to, and so he became passionate about exposing the fraudulent ones, and became very well known in his day for doing this, besides his magic tricks and stunts.

Point being, until you actually research the Cayce work in depth and objectively, this constant repeating of "speculation" will fall on deaf ears, when I do actually know how unusual and singular this work/source was. Is it definitive evidence/proof, no, but certainly highly suggestive and is A LOT more than you have on your side which is just pure subjective belief. I go where the evidence and holistic logic leads, not where the subjective beliefs lead.

Imagine if you will, say a remote viewer does 1000 remote viewings. In 990 of these remote viewings, the remote viewer picks up multiple accurate hits about the target without having any pre-knowledge of it whatsoever. If the remote viewer does another remote viewing, chances are, based on their PROVEN history/abilities, that this remote viewing will also have accurate/correct data as well.

Well, Cayce was like that, but on roids with some 14, 300+ individual readings given over almost 40 years to more than a few thousand different people--MOST of these being medical cases. Not a 100% accurate all the time, but also not far from. Certainly better than anything or anyone in the earth has seen in modern history.

Judge, I rest my case. I would be completely wasting my breath if I responded anymore to these speculation claims, especially since I not only have the Cayce work in my corner, but my own mother saw my Soul enter/merge with my body minutes after physical birth. With also a plethora of other reputable/credible spiritual-psychic sources that say that conception is NOT when the Soul merges with the body.

posted May 22, 2022 06:22 PM            

The soul does not completely "merge" with the body until the 14th year. The spirit does not completely merge until the 21st.

I know this because 1) I've studied for more years than you have 2) My indirect and direct sources are better than yours and 3) my personal experience tell me so

So where does this leave us? Abortion till 21?

posted May 22, 2022 10:02 PM            

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I mean I dunno let's play this game for kicks.

The soul does not completely "merge" with the body until the 14th year. The spirit does not completely merge until the 21st.

I know this because 1) I've studied for more years than you have 2) My indirect and direct sources are better than yours and 3) my personal experience tell me so

So where does this leave us? Abortion till 21?

There's a brick wall here

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Many individuals on this earth spend their entire lives having little to no direct, conscious connection with and attunement to their Expanded/Monadic self level (which btw, is still below the actual Spirit level--because the Spirit is the original entity that we come from, before it split into two different, but very connected selves i.e. so called "twin flames" and what I call our immediate Expanded self level). In truth, for Souls, it is not till they get to the Neptunian and Jupitarian represented/correlated dimensions/consciousness levels (i.e. nonphysical levels 35 and up, in a 49 level system) that they start to more consistently attune to and communicate with their own Expanded self level. The Solar level i.e. the beginning of the 7th main dimension (each of the dimensions has 7 sub dimensions within same) IS the level of full/constant attunement and communication with the Expanded self.

Souls who come to the Earth from the Solar represented level (astrologically in these charts, what is most common is either Sun conjunct Asc, Sun in 1st closest Planet to Asc, Sun conjunct MC and highest Planet in the chart, and/or born close to Solar Perihelion), are usually the ones who are truly in touch with their Expanded self level. They also don't have to be in this system anymore. Many of them have gone to greater systems, but have come back purely for service reasons. I know a little something about that directly/experientially (cue the repeating young childhood dreams of being on a spaceship traveling from somewhere very far away from earth to earth with a feeling of definite purpose).

Speaking of the Solar level, many years ago, I had a dream where I was meditating outside, while looking at the Sun with my eyes open. As I went deeper within self, I started to merge more with the Sun, and started to feel a very intense expanding sensation. So intense that it brought up feelings of fear and I initially resisted the process. The fear of, "I may be destroyed" came up. But something within told me to allow the process to unfold, and I did. At the end, I realized I was still myself, but a much more expanded, purified, and aware version of myself.

While this dream was pretty intense and an obvious guidance message, it was nothing compared to my dream of being within a secret/hidden area within the Great Pyramid and something extremely profound (that to this day, I cannot consciously remember what exactly happened after I went in that room/chamber) happening in there. I had this dream in 98.

Anyways, what exactly is your point? If you don't seem to understand the connections between a Soul and their Expanded self level, I really question your beliefs/perceptions about the other aspects of this all.

And what are your outer sources, Steiner, Blavatsky, and the like? Tibetan Buddhism? If so, still not on the same level of Cayce's work in regards to sheer amount of hard data verification.. I have searched and combed through the world's belief systems, seers, etc and there is literally no other source out there that has the sheer degree and amount of verification in so many different subjects as the Cayce work.

While I'm "spiritual" and metaphysical minded, I'm just as equally scientific minded (chart ruler, the Sun, in Capricorn, widely conjunct Cap Mercury, and Saturn in Virgo), and objective verification does matter. It is too easy to go to subjective beliefs and an over right brain hemisphere polarization too much on spiritual paths--I've seen it countless times in many, many people. Hence, the grounding balance of the left brain hemisphere and things like material world verification is extremely important. (One of the reasons why I highly respect Robert A. Monroe, Bruce Moen, and Tom Campbell, because these all stressed open minded skepticism and not "believing" but seeking verification).

A balance and integration that this Soul with angular Pisces South Node in the 7th and Virgo North Node in the 1st, has been fostering throughout life.

In the past (elephant memory ), you've talked about cases of autism and how the Soul is not fully integrated in the body in those cases. Having worked more than a decade with children and some adults with autism, I call b.s. on that belief system. There are various possible different contributing factors in autism--some purely physical and some energetic/spiritual (and/or karmic). What seems to be particularly common is over inflammation in general, but especially in the brain area that leads to a lack of oxygen in the brain (and big surprise that a lack of proper oxygen levels in the brain can lead to various misfiring and imbalances in the sensory and nervous systems).

There are cases of people correcting these physiological imbalances and then "curing" their children's autism. No Soul factor needed or particularly involved. Bit of a monkey wrench in your belief system, I would say. (Some people who have autism do not have this above factor, but are from other systems/groups very different than this one, and having no prior human experience--they have a hard time integrating here and are a bit overwhelmed. Other cases are karmic--an overly insular Soul pattern, in which a self(s) separated itself from others and now has to feel alone and different).

You're like Randall in this area--you're overly attached to preconceived, emotionally based subjective beliefs. You don't truly hunger for the truth and nothing but the truth in this area. You look to support a priorly existing belief system based on what you want to believe.

I approach most everything with "beginners mind". My constant prayers are twofold, "Not my will be done, but the Will of the Source and Creative Forces be done in and through me". The other is, "Source/purely Creative Forces, show me the way to truth free of beliefs and human/ego distortions."

That process and the practice of same, is why there are some areas even in the Cayce work that I've gone beyond. For example, when Cayce's guidance talked about reincarnation, they often referred to it in a more traditional/well known way. A single Soul that lives a human life, the body dies, they go to the nonphysical, after awhile come back, and rinse and repeat until the Soul finally gets it all right (at least enough to leave this system).

There are clues in that work, that is not actually what the guidance itself believed, but rather this is what people at the time could understand/deal with. In truth, I've learned via direct guidance that most Souls are a newly created mix. Created by their Expanded self by mixing together memories and energetics from other Souls it has previously created, and mixing those memories and energetic up (like a consciousness cake batter) and then endowing that self with a sense of self.

Direct, literal reincarnation of a particular Soul is actually quite rare and uncommon among most groups of Souls, except for one--the dark/psychopathic Souls. These, because they are addicted to earth-human experiences, cycle directly in and out constantly. But these are a minority group connected to the earth. (and yet, though being a minority, they are the main source of most of the problems here, because these are the ones who get into positions of immense wealth and material influence, and are whom I refer to as the psychopathic plutocrats, and whom Cayce's guidance referred to as the Sons of Belial and outlined all the havoc, destruction, imbalance they caused in Atlantis and in other cycles and peoples [also highly prevalent among the Romans during that cycle].

I suspect that most of this will fall on deaf ears, because I feel/sense a lot of Fixed energy in you (i.e. Fixed Signs and/or the Planets of Pluto, Uranus, and Sun especially). Fixed energy is the most stubborn and slow to change.

posted May 23, 2022 10:27 AM            

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Btw, I fully recognize that the Cayce work is not completely infallible. I don't think that is even possible in this dimension with 99.99999% of humans in relation to perception. My personal belief is that the only human on this earth that has infallible perception is Yeshua, and I believe that he is still operating from the form-image that he was born with and died with some 2000 years ago.

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GCE, We do have a living master on earth today. Google sadguru (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4LEl7WchQg) He told the same thing what you said about Cayce's work.

There no point discussing matters of spirit with the patriot zombies here. They (Citizen, person, resident) need CPR because they are dead and burden themselves with matters of the dead.

posted May 23, 2022 01:46 PM            

This is why he had her body cremated so quickly, because he was covering up that he or one of his loyal cronies slipped her some poison. Even her parents were suspicious of the super fast cremation and why he did it this way.

But after she died, he came out with the b.s. story that she had attained Samadhi and left her body voluntarily.

No, Sadhguru is a poster boy for how a narcissist or socio/psychopath talks the talk and pretends to be a "master", but is the furthest thing from same.

I'm really sick of these false spiritual teacher asshats. This world/humanity is stuck enough without them making things worse, meanwhile milking people of their money, time, and energy.

Most of the people that are part of his group, freely volunteer. What a nice racket he has going. The guy has literally millions, but most around him don't ever get paid anything, but work completely for free.

posted May 23, 2022 01:52 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
And we know that when a Soul really disconnects from a body but remains barely attached, like in the cases of severe coma's, the body practically becomes a vegetable.

And in these cases, the Soul is still connected to the body, but just barely.

How much of a vegetable is a body when the Soul is not even fully connected to the body to begin with?

Answers itself, doesn't it.

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posted May 23, 2022 03:18 PM            

Point is all these people concur on birth process. Osho, him, Cayce (channelled ofcourse, he wasn't enlightened)....