posted June 04, 2022 07:43 AM            

BTW, From that link:
"More than 60 years ago, the U.S. government conducted an unconscionable and unethical experiment in Guatemala, in which U.S. government researchers deliberately infected vulnerable citizens of Guatemala with syphilis and other infectious diseases. "

Cleaning deviant people of the land is a right wing fascists idea. Killing millions in the name of religion too. Thank god , they are malfunctioning today and earth is ascending. Hope people witnessed some nut here attacking my character when I showed them the mirror.

If the earth was supposed to be only for the right wing fascist, the planet would have been shaped anything but a globe. Wake up!

posted June 04, 2022 03:42 PM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
"Cleaning deviant people of the land is a right wing fascists idea."

One of the most stupid statements ever posted here. This maroon never heard of Hitler, the Socialist, Stalin, the communist, Mao the communist or Pol Pot, the communist. Far left murderous lunatic dictators, one and all. Not a right wing anything among them. Between them, they killed more than 200 million of their own citizens...for disagreeing with their murderous far left regimes.

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posted June 05, 2022 02:52 PM            

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The Myth: Adolf Hitler, instigator of World War II in Europe and driving force behind the Holocaust, was a socialist.

The Truth: Hitler hated socialism and communism and worked to destroy these ideologies. Nazism, confused as it was, was based on race, and fundamentally different from class-focused socialism.

Hitler as Conservative Weapon
Twenty-first-century commentators like to attack left-leaning policies by calling them socialist, and occasionally follow this up by explaining how Hitler, the mass murdering dictator around whom the twentieth century pivoted, was a socialist himself. There’s no way anyone can, or ever should, defend Hitler, and so things like health-care reform are equated with something terrible, a Nazi regime which sought to conquer an empire and commit several genocides. The problem is, this is a distortion of history.

Hitler as the Scourge of Socialism
Richard Evans, in his magisterial three-volume history of Nazi Germany, is quite clear on whether Hitler was a socialist: “…it would be wrong to see Nazism as a form of, or an outgrowth of, socialism.” (The Coming of the Third Reich, Evans, p. 173). Not only was Hitler not a socialist himself, nor a communist, but he actually hated these ideologies and did his utmost to eradicate them. At first this involved organizing bands of thugs to attack socialists in the street, but grew into invading Russia, in part to enslave the population and earn ‘living‘ room for Germans, and in part to wipe out communism and ‘Bolshevism’.

The key element here is what Hitler did, believed and tried to create. Nazism, confused as it was, was fundamentally an ideology built around race, while socialism was entirely different: built around class. Hitler aimed to unite the right and left, including workers and their bosses, into a new German nation based on the racial identity of those in it. Socialism, in contrast, was a class struggle, aiming to build a workers state, whatever race the worker was from. Nazism drew on a range of pan-German theories, which wanted to blend Aryan workers and Aryan magnates into a super Aryan state, which would involve the eradication of class focused socialism, as well as Judaism and other ideas deemed non-German.

When Hitler came to power he attempted to dismantle trade unions and the shell that remained loyal to him; he supported the actions of leading industrialists, actions far removed from socialism which tends to want the opposite. Hitler used the fear of socialism and communism as a way of terrifying middle and upper-class Germans into supporting him. Workers were targeted with slightly different propaganda, but these were promises simply to earn support, to get into power, and then to remake the workers along with everyone else into a racial state. There was to be no dictatorship of the proletariat as in socialism; there was just to be the dictatorship of the Fuhrer.

The belief that Hitler was a socialist seems to have emerged from two sources: the name of his political party, the National Socialist German Worker’s Party, or Nazi Party, and the early presence of socialists in it.

The National Socialist German Worker’s Party
While it does look like a very socialist name, the problem is that ‘National Socialism’ is not socialism, but a different, fascist ideology. Hitler had originally joined when the party was called the German Worker’s Party, and he was there as a spy to keep an eye on it. It was not, as the name suggested, a devotedly left-wing group, but one Hitler thought had potential, and as Hitler’s oratory became popular the party grew and Hitler became a leading figure.

At this point ‘National Socialism’ was a confused mishmash of ideas with multiple proponents, arguing for nationalism, anti-Semitism, and yes, some socialism. The party records don’t record the name change, but it’s generally believed a decision was taken to rename the party to attract people, and partly to forge links with other ‘national socialist’ parties. The meetings began to be advertised on red banners and posters, hoping for socialists to come in and then be confronted, sometimes violently: the party was aiming to attract as much attention and notoriety as possible. But the name was not Socialism, but National Socialism and as the 20s and 30s progressed, this became an ideology Hitler would expound upon at length and which, as he took control, ceased to have anything to do with socialism.

‘National Socialism’ and Nazism
Hitler’s National Socialism, and quickly the only National Socialism which mattered, wished to promote those of ‘pure’ German blood, removing citizenship for Jews and aliens, and promoted eugenics, including the execution of the disabled and mentally ill. National Socialism did promote equality among Germans who passed their racist criteria, and submitted the individual to the will of the state, but did so as a right-wing racial movement which sought a nation of healthy Aryans living in a thousand year Reich, which would be achieved through war. In Nazi theory, a new, unified class was to be formed instead of religious, political and class divides, but this was to be done by rejecting ideologies such as liberalism, capitalism, and socialism, and instead pursue a different idea, of the Volksgemeinschaft (people’s community), built on war and race, ‘blood and soil’, and German heritage. Race was to be the heart of Nazism, as opposed to class-focused socialism.​

Before 1934 some in the party did promote anti-capitalist and socialist ideas, such as profit-sharing, nationalization and old-age benefits, but these were merely tolerated by Hitler as he gathered support, dropped once he secured power and often later executed, such as Gregor Strasser. There was no socialist redistribution of wealth or land under Hitler—although some property changed hands thanks to looting and invasion—and while both industrialists and workers were courted, it was the former who benefitted and the latter who found themselves the target of empty rhetoric. Indeed, Hitler became convinced that socialism was intimately connected to his even more long-standing hatred—the Jews—and thus hated it even more. Socialists were the first to be locked up in concentration camps.

It’s worth pointing out that all aspects of Nazism had forerunners in the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, and Hitler tended to cobble his ideology together from them; some historians think that ‘ideology’ gives Hitler too much credit for something which can be hard to pin down. He knew how to take things which made the socialists popular and apply them to give his party a boost. But historian Neil Gregor, in his introduction to a discussion of Nazism which includes many experts, says:

“As with other fascist ideologies and movements, it subscribed to an ideology of national renewal, rebirth, and rejuvenation manifesting itself in extreme populist radical nationalism, militarism, and—in contradistinction to many other forms of fascism, extreme biological racism…the movement understood itself to be, and indeed was, a new form of political movement…the anti-Socialist, anti-liberal, and radical nationalist tenets of Nazi ideology applied particularly to the sentiments of a middle class disorientated by the domestic and international upheavals in the inter-war period.” (Neil Gregor, Nazism, Oxford, 2000 p 4-5.)

Aftermath
Intriguingly, despite this being one of the most clear-cut articles on this site, it has been by far the most controversial, while statements on the origins of World War I and other actual historical controversies have passed by. This is a sign of the way modern political commentators still like to invoke the spirit of Hitler to try to make points.

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posted June 05, 2022 03:38 PM            

The name of Hitler's party in Nazi Germany was....wait for it:

The National SOCIALIST German Workers' Party Oh, and they were fascists.

posted June 06, 2022 08:23 AM            

Well he chose that party because Germany was tired of industrialization and its evil effects people were having . Look at your own Trump. Democrat, Republican and now god knows what he will contest as.

When Hitler took power, he was nothing but a greater fascist. Eliminating deviants (homos) and jews from Germany. Compare him to our own Madison Cawthorn. Anti gay and a belief that there are only two sexes - man and woman? No trans in his reality. Universe taught him a lesson.

Sheeps followed all Hitlers orders because they were afraid to lose their lives. Hitler has asked for forgiveness in the end -- and I believe he is on the good side now. As he was growing up, he wanted to do something creative in his life but was denied. Like I said -- you will not understand things in heaven . In time perhaps if you open your heart wide you will.

posted June 07, 2022 11:56 AM            

Socialists disavowed Hitler because his murderous actions, including genocide made them all stink with the stench of death. To that end, socialists and their lapdogs in the press have written reams of articles trying to cast Hitler as a right winger. NO SALE. And anyone with an ounce of rationality and objectivity who actually wants to know will quickly determine that....

HITLER WAS A SOCIALIST. SO WAS HIS ALLY MUSSOLINI A SOCIALIST

Hitler and the socialist dream
He declared that 'national socialism was based on Marx' Socialists have always disowned him. But a new book insists that he was, at heart, a left-winger
George Watson
Sunday 22 November 1998

In April 1945, when Adolf Hitler died by his own hand in the rubble of Berlin, nobody was much interested in what he had once believed. That was to be expected. War is no time for reflection, and what Hitler had done was so shattering, and so widely known through images of naked bodies piled high in mass graves, that little or no attention could readily be paid to National Socialism as an idea. It was hard to think of it as an idea at all. Hitler, who had once looked a crank or a clown, was exposed as the leader of a gang of thugs, and the world was content to know no more than that.

Half a century on, there is much to be said. Even thuggery can have its reasons, and the materials that have newly appeared, though they may not transform judgement, undoubtedly enrich and deepen it. Confidants of Hitler. such as the late Albert Speer, have published their reminiscences; his wartime table-talk is a book; early revelations like Hermann Rauschning's Hitler Speaks of 1939 have been validated by painstaking research, and the notes of dead Nazis like Otto Wagener have been edited, along with a full text of Goebbels's diary.

It is now clear beyond all reasonable doubt that Hitler and his associates believed they were socialists, and that others, including democratic socialists, thought so too. The title of National Socialism was not hypocritical. .....................................

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/hitler-and-the-socialist-dream-1186455.html

Imagine a person so devoid of intellect that they won't take Hitler's own words at face value. HITLER WAS A SOCIALIST AND SAID HE WAS A SOCIALIST Hitler and his little band of murderous socialist went on and on and on proclaiming the glories of their National Socialist government, the National Socialist German Workers' Party...Nazis!

posted June 07, 2022 04:04 PM            

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Originally posted by PhoenixRising:
I already responded to every point. Don't see a need to go into endless argument. Marx is another German fool like Hitler I believe.

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The proof that Hitler was a socialist is insurmountable and can't be washed away with fallacious arguments. Neither can the fact that Hitler was a murderous socialist fascist. Fascism is a leftist disease.