posted January 07, 2023 07:06 AM            

A new study reveals an increase of gun-related deaths to about four women a day.

From 2019.

posted January 07, 2023 07:09 AM            

I've been told by someone, that they could understand why someone would want to shoot me. Because I speak up about all of this. Because I don't just smile and nod. I've been choked, and almost murdered. Almost, because my mum managed to stop them. I've been physically hurt on behalf of another man, and it was accepted by others. I must have done something to deserve it, or they were told that I gave as good as I got. Because I HAD TO. I didn't choose it. I didn't deserve it. but this is something that always comes up: what did she do to deserve it? It's disgusting, and needs to change. I've also never thought, "I can understand why someone would want to hurt or kill you."

posted January 07, 2023 07:11 AM            

In 2018, the findings of a report by the Anti-Defamation League titled, “When Women are the Enemy: The Intersection of Misogyny and White Supremacy” found that the hatred of women is frequently an accession into the white supremacist world. The report identified that the cultural changes and attention to gender equality in progressive politics emboldened some men to choose to follow the far-right, white supremacist movements that hold women to strong traditional gender roles. (Salon, H. D. Parton, August 2019).

When we see media coverage that shows women overtly devalued by men, particularly by a man in the highest position of power in our country, it’s not hard to imagine a fueling of misogynist viewpoints that then places an already vulnerable woman in an abusive relationship at greater risk for violence.

posted January 07, 2023 05:41 PM            

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The mainstreaming of white supremacy and domestic violence are closely connected. A recent New York Times article, “A Common Trait Among Mass Killers: Hatred Toward Women,” reported, “The motivations of men who commit mass shootings are often muddled, complex or unknown. But one common thread that connects many of them—other than access to powerful firearms—is a history of hating women, assaulting wives, girlfriends and female family members, or sharing misogynistic views online.” (Bosman, et al, Aug. 10, 2019).

In 2018, the findings of a report by the Anti-Defamation League titled, “When Women are the Enemy: The Intersection of Misogyny and White Supremacy” found that the hatred of women is frequently an accession into the white supremacist world. The report identified that the cultural changes and attention to gender equality in progressive politics emboldened some men to choose to follow the far-right, white supremacist movements that hold women to strong traditional gender roles. (Salon, H. D. Parton, August 2019).

When we see media coverage that shows women overtly devalued by men, particularly by a man in the highest position of power in our country, it’s not hard to imagine a fueling of misogynist viewpoints that then places an already vulnerable woman in an abusive relationship at greater risk for violence.

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posted January 08, 2023 06:44 PM            

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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:
Thats because those peoples are traumatized by the actions of whites (native american genocide, slavery), and those communities are still holding collective trauma that has nowhere to go, because society hasn't done a good enough job of de-marginalizing these cultures. Its good for everyone if society works at this, it makes it a safer society for everyone.

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posted January 09, 2023 12:09 PM            

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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:
I didn’t say anything about excusing crime. Everyone needs to face the law. But healing these communities takes more than punishing them. It requires outreach, services, opportunity. Otherwise the cycle of violence and jail continues. Justice must be balanced with compassion.

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posted January 10, 2023 12:24 AM            

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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:
Thats because those peoples are traumatized by the actions of whites (native american genocide, slavery), and those communities are still holding collective trauma that has nowhere to go, because society hasn't done a good enough job of de-marginalizing these cultures. Its good for everyone if society works at this, it makes it a safer society for everyone.

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It's 2023, and when a black man or any man of color beats or kills his black woman or woman of color, it's because "da white man made me do it"?

Do you even understand how insulting and patronizizng you sound? How you treat grown folks of color as children, unable to think for themselves, unable to take ownership for their actions, like they have no agency? Da white man made me do it! has to be the most pathetic excuse concocted by the liberal mind...

posted January 10, 2023 12:31 AM            

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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:
Collective trauma is 100 percent a real thing, just ask any Jewish person or ukranian or black person.

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Really?

posted January 10, 2023 12:34 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Women who speak up about anything on social media, get inundated with rape and death threats. People like Elon, don't give a **** , and help to make things worse. Andrew Tate does the same.

I've been told by someone, that they could understand why someone would want to shoot me. Because I speak up about all of this. Because I don't just smile and nod. I've been choked, and almost murdered. Almost, because my mum managed to stop them. I've been physically hurt on behalf of another man, and it was accepted by others. I must have done something to deserve it, or they were told that I gave as good as I got. Because I HAD TO. I didn't choose it. I didn't deserve it. but this is something that always comes up: what did she do to deserve it? It's disgusting, and needs to change. I've also never thought, "I can understand why someone would want to hurt or kill you."

And now we have a Speaker of the house, who said he'd love to hit Pelosi. that it would be difficult not to. And people are celebrating him.

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Have you thought about getting therapy for your trauma?

I mean...seriously.

posted January 18, 2023 01:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
It's 2023, and when a black man or any man of color beats or kills his black woman or woman of color, it's because "da white man made me do it"?

Do you even understand how insulting and patronizizng you sound? How you treat grown folks of color as children, unable to think for themselves, unable to take ownership for their actions, like they have no agency? Da white man made me do it! has to be the most pathetic excuse concocted by the liberal mind...

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Ive returned to this thread a few times with the hope Blue would respond.

I would like to believe he has something to offer beyond this White Man's Burden argument. It is, as you say, insulting and patronizing.

Worth mentioning the last time liberal Whites saw fit to "fix" Blacks (hi Lyndon Johnson) the welfare of the Black community took a nosedive.

Also curious about how White trauma fits into this warped worldview.

posted January 18, 2023 02:00 PM            

Ana walsche’s husband had a long list of google searches, on how to dispose of a body. I saw another tweet, and thought it was a parody. It was real.
http://twitter.com/7news/status/1615723169247019010?s=46&t=e6TCXSiCE-txxYQCzDAoMw

I guess he hoped they wouldn’t search his son’s iPad.

posted January 18, 2023 02:02 PM            

“ THANK YOU I’ve been so angry that this one hasn’t received more traction.

The NYPD told a survivor to stop calling and threatened to arrest her for reporting her abuse—abuser returned and threw her out a 3 story window.

posted January 18, 2023 02:14 PM            

I just think that to have a better society we need to try and elevate people, as a society.

If you don't , you end up with a nation like Brazil, where you can't even walk in the street safely because you might get mugged.

A society needs to work on elevating its poor, it keeps them from becoming thugs. We also need laws and consequences, but if you look a country like Brazil, they had a military dictatorship for a long time, and did it solve crime? No.

You need both the left approach (elevate the poor, elevate minorities), and the right approach (punish offenders, remove them from society), to create safe societies.

The US is well served to try and minimize the gap between rich and poor, and in particular, trying to work with and elevate the most marginalized communities.

I see signs in the US over the past 10 years that make it appear more like a Latin American Country. The politics are more populist and less professional. People are more emotional and less rational. Wealth disparity is increasing. Inflation is eroding the middle class. This trend seem consistent through right and left wing presidencies and I think represents a cultural degradation that can't be attributed to either political aisle.

posted January 18, 2023 05:15 PM            

It was known that he was abusive, for *years*.

posted January 18, 2023 05:17 PM            

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Men murder family members and significant others frequently. The same weekend Michael Haight’s murders were reported, two other men in America also murdered their wives and children. And it’s estimated that every 8 hours in the US, a women is murdered by her partner. So why am I writing about this instance? Why has this particular family murder made me even angrier than these things normally do?

It’s because I know this community, and I know how ******* preventable these murders were.

That’s not actually accurate. I don’t know this community. I’ve never been to Enoch, which is a small Mormon town in Southern Utah. But, I grew up in another small Mormon town in Southern Utah. It’s bigger now, but when my family moved there (I had just turned five), it was tiny. So it’s easy for me to picture what Enoch is like, what the people are like, and how our shared religion functions in their town. The image I conjure won’t be exactly right, but it will be pretty accurate.

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posted January 18, 2023 05:22 PM            

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I’m no prophet, but as details have come to light, it turns out my assumptions were exactly right. I’m so ******* furious. So many men knew about this. Specific men. Not just “generally, people were wary of this guy”. Specific men, who had specifically agreed to care for vulnerable people in their community, and who had authority to do something about it, knew how ****** this guy was. And they did ******* nothing.

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posted January 18, 2023 06:05 PM            

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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:
Domestic violence is higher in communities that have been traumatized.

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But you said "higher"... which means that you concede that domestic violence exists in all communities, the traumatized and the non traumatized alike. Therefore, can we still blame white supremacy for domestic violence overall?

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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:

I just think that to have a better society we need to try and elevate people, as a society.

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I agree.

I just don't believe that the way to elevate people is to denigrate others. As in, black good and victim, white bad and supremacist. That to me is racism at its finest...

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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:

If you don't , you end up with a nation like Brazil, where you can't even walk in the street safely because you might get mugged.

A society needs to work on elevating its poor, it keeps them from becoming thugs. We also need laws and consequences, but if you look a country like Brazil, they had a military dictatorship for a long time, and did it solve crime? No.

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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:

You need both the left approach (elevate the poor, elevate minorities), and the right approach (punish offenders, remove them from society), to create safe societies.

The US is well served to try and minimize the gap between rich and poor, and in particular, trying to work with and elevate the most marginalized communities.

I see signs in the US over the past 10 years that make it appear more like a Latin American Country. The politics are more populist and less professional. People are more emotional and less rational. Wealth disparity is increasing. Inflation is eroding the middle class. This trend seem consistent through right and left wing presidencies and I think represents a cultural degradation that can't be attributed to either political aisle.

Its not about "blaming" something. No one is excused from violence, its about ackwowledging. We can hold two ideas in our heads at the same time, an advantage of being human. for example " everyone is responsible for their own behavior, and certain communities are more vulnerable to violence"

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I agree with the gist of this post, though not with everything in it. But its' a start to start real conversation.