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Topic: Mass shooting in Monterey park
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shura
Knowflake Posts: 3753
From: kamaloka
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted January 26, 2023 12:19 PM
  
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Pharma is a business, if you dont like it, dont buy their product
If only the fascist gov/corp alliance allowed us that freedom lol
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BlueRoamer
Knowflake Posts: 1326
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Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 26, 2023 12:20 PM
You don’t get to play with me until your drop your homophobic attitudes. IP: Logged |
Belage
Knowflake Posts: 6534
From: USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 26, 2023 02:27 PM
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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:
A clump of cells is not a baby, if you dont' want women to have control of their pregnancy, you yourself should raise the baby they dont want
Your current position (minus the clump of cell thing) is where I was most of my adult life. So I totally get it. However, 1 year ago, I asked myself as I was taking a morning stroll around a lake, if I saw a woman trying to drown her 1 day old infant, would I look the other way, because I am not going to raise the baby she doesnt want? And the answer was no. So I had to revise my position. An innocent human life is worth saving, even if I am not going to raise it. quote:
Originally posted by BlueRoamer:
I dont' support surgically alterting or giving hormones to minors, don't put words in my mouth.
I am genuinely glad to hear that. And I apologize for putting words in your mouth. quote:
Originally posted by BlueRoamer:
Pharma is a business, if you dont like it, dont buy their product
Totally agree. However, what happens when people are being FORCED TO BUY their products, as in vaccine mandates??? You seem to support that!IP: Logged |
Belage
Knowflake Posts: 6534
From: USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 26, 2023 02:40 PM
And the clump-of-cells thing...The only time when it is a "clump of cells" is when the woman intends to abort, and for that she needs to deshumanize the baby. In all my years of interacting with pregnant women IRL and online, I have never heard one expectant mother referring to the life in her as a "clump of cells". Never heard: --the clump of cells has been moving quite a bit today. --I heard the clump of cells' heartbeat on the sonogram. --the clump of cells is due (for delivery) in a couple of months. --Unfortunately, I had a miscarriage at 3 months and lost the clump of cells. IP: Logged |
Belage
Knowflake Posts: 6534
From: USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 26, 2023 02:45 PM
Oh and next time you come across a woman who tells you she has miscarried, and how upset she was, try telling her, oh, it was just a clump of cells...IP: Logged |
shura
Knowflake Posts: 3753
From: kamaloka
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted January 26, 2023 07:16 PM
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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:
You don’t get to play with me until your drop your homophobic attitudes.
homophobic attitudes  oh boo hoo You don't have an answer
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BlueRoamer
Knowflake Posts: 1326
From:
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 26, 2023 08:35 PM
thats a fair point belage, no one calls it a clump of cells, but people do call it "the pregnancy", which is not the same as "the baby", technically its not a baby, its a fetus, not the same thing.I think a person can survive without getting vaccinated, it would just be very restrictive, i get this this is annoying. I don't think ayone was FORCED to get vaccinated, but rather suffered large consequences to their freedom and employment for not getting vacc. I do think people should be able to refuse vaccination if they want. Now doing this makes it very hard to travel and be employed. At least at this point they're not enforcing it in restaurants and bars (i always thought this was dumb) For me automony(ie freedom) is the highest virtue, which is why i try to apply that to everything. Including abortions and vaccines, interractial marriage, lgbt issues.
Id like to apply it to gun ownership as well, but unfortuatnely theres too many crazy people running around. I think an appropriate compromise here is bannign anything thats automatic or semi-automatic, minimize the harm, but still allow people the pleasure of having guns.
I realize that people see a fetus as a person and therefore value that life forms autonomy as well, but I think this issue reallly boils down to where does life begin. I guess for most pro lifers its at conception, I just dont se eit that way. I apply science here and for a while it is literally a clump of cells, tehres no organized nervous system...no sentience
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Belage
Knowflake Posts: 6534
From: USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 26, 2023 10:30 PM
I agree that the issue of when life begins is a thorny one. Personally, I am not against the morning after pill at all and I don't think conservatives or right to lifers should prohibit it. In the days following conception, it is truly a lump of cells, as the fertilized ovum starts dividing every 12-15 hours. When does it stop being a lump of cells? Cardiac tissues of the lump cells start beating around weeks 5-6 and the heart will form within the next few weeks. We can no longer refer to this as a lump of cells... Lumps of cells don't have a heart, at least in my opinion. IP: Logged |
Belage
Knowflake Posts: 6534
From: USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 26, 2023 10:37 PM
on the subject of sentience...Many people feel that animals are sentient, that is, they are able to perceive and feel things. Research has demonstrated that babies start hearing sounds by the second trimester. By week 24, they will turn their head toward voices... Sentience does not begin just after they go through the birth canal at delivery. It starts way before. IP: Logged |
BlueRoamer
Knowflake Posts: 1326
From:
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 01, 2023 08:00 PM
The fetus becomes a baby or person somewhere between conception and 9 months, its probably not conception though..most pro lifers think life begins at conception, but majority of abortions occur within the first 8 weeks. IP: Logged |
jwhop
Knowflake Posts: 18433
From: Madeira Beach, FL USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 03, 2023 12:41 AM
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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:
The fetus becomes a baby or person somewhere between conception and 9 months, its probably not conception though..most pro lifers think life begins at conception, but majority of abortions occur within the first 8 weeks.
What's your point? Do you think calling a baby a fetus alters the reality that this is a human baby? IP: Logged |
shura
Knowflake Posts: 3753
From: kamaloka
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted February 03, 2023 06:02 PM
quote:
Originally posted by BlueRoamer:
The fetus becomes a baby or person somewhere between conception and 9 months, its probably not conception though..most pro lifers think life begins at conception, but majority of abortions occur within the first 8 weeks.
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