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Topic: The WHO seeks centralized power over nations in all future pandemics
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Dhyana Knowflake Posts: 1719 From: US Registered: Sep 2019
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posted February 22, 2023 10:01 PM
WHO Power Grab - Why It Concerns UsThe 194 member nations who sign this treaty, which will be legally binding, will give up their sovereignty over health decisions to the WHO in all future pandemics. The treaty is slated to go into effect in May, 2024. The WHO is working on and negotiating this without public input. http://rumble.com/v29rnt4-who-power-grab-why-it-concerns-us.html
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 168744 From: I hold a Juris Doctorate (J.D.) and a Legum Magister (LL.M.)! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 22, 2023 10:40 PM
President Trump will make it unbinding.IP: Logged |
Belage Knowflake Posts: 6598 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 23, 2023 12:50 PM
It looks unconstitutional on the face of it. We Americans have not voted to give the WHO power over our bodies, no matter what Biden signs. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 168744 From: I hold a Juris Doctorate (J.D.) and a Legum Magister (LL.M.)! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 23, 2023 03:09 PM
The moment UN troops set foot on American soil to enforce a WHO agreement, it's on.IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 18491 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 23, 2023 03:46 PM
quote: Originally posted by Randall: The moment UN troops set foot on American soil to enforce a WHO agreement, it's on.
The minute any foreign troops, UN or otherwise, disembark on US shores...it's on. IP: Logged |
shura Knowflake Posts: 3790 From: kamaloka Registered: Jun 2009
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posted February 23, 2023 08:52 PM
quote: Originally posted by jwhop: The minute any foreign troops, UN or otherwise, disembark on US shores...it's on.
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Dhyana Knowflake Posts: 1719 From: US Registered: Sep 2019
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posted February 23, 2023 09:23 PM
Thanks everyone for your input on this.IP: Logged |
Dhyana Knowflake Posts: 1719 From: US Registered: Sep 2019
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posted February 23, 2023 09:31 PM
quote: Originally posted by Belage: It looks unconstitutional on the face of it. We Americans have not voted to give the WHO power over our bodies, no matter what Biden signs.
I agree wholeheartedly. If this treaty is adopted by the world community, it seems this would bring up a legal question of whose sovereignty is to prevail: national vs. a global body, and who would have the authority to decide. IP: Logged |
Dhyana Knowflake Posts: 1719 From: US Registered: Sep 2019
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posted February 23, 2023 09:42 PM
quote: Originally posted by Randall: The moment UN troops set foot on American soil to enforce a WHO agreement, it's on.
Randall, wouldn't the individual countries enforce this treaty since they sign onto it? What if the U.S. government tries to enforce it, can states refuse and on what grounds, unconstitutional? IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 168744 From: I hold a Juris Doctorate (J.D.) and a Legum Magister (LL.M.)! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 23, 2023 11:41 PM
quote: Originally posted by Dhyana: Randall, wouldn't the individual countries enforce this treaty since they sign onto it?What if the U.S. government tries to enforce it, can states refuse and on what grounds, unconstitutional?
One would think the countries that sign on to it would enforce it, but when you give up your own sovereignty, that is a sliding scale. The Constitution gives the federal government very few enumerated powers, and the rest are reserved to the states. This would just be an extreme extension of the BS attempted because of Covid. There is no pandemic exemption in the Constitution. IP: Logged |
Dhyana Knowflake Posts: 1719 From: US Registered: Sep 2019
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posted February 24, 2023 12:06 AM
quote: Originally posted by Randall: One would think the countries that sign on to it would enforce it, but when you give up your own sovereignty, that is a sliding scale. The Constitution gives the federal government very few enumerated powers, and the rest are reserved to the states. This would just be an extreme extension of the BS attempted because of Covid. There is no pandemic exemption in the Constitution.
Thanks, Randall. quote: This would just be an extreme extension of the BS attempted because of Covid.
Exactly! And going down the road to one world totalitarianism. IP: Logged |
Dhyana Knowflake Posts: 1719 From: US Registered: Sep 2019
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posted February 24, 2023 12:30 AM
Biden plans to sign it. quote: The Biden administration is preparing to sign a "legally binding" accord with the WHO that would give the Geneva-based UN health agency the authority to dictate US policies during a pandemic.Epoch Times business reporter Kevin Stocklin tells NTD’s Stefania Cox that the Pandemic Prevention, Preparedness, and Response Accord would damage personal #sovereignty and #CivilRights
. http://ntd.nyc/GlobalPandemicT... IP: Logged |
Belage Knowflake Posts: 6598 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 24, 2023 02:04 AM
Politifact's take on the issue:WHO pandemic accord doesn’t replace U.S. sovereignty https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/feb/21/instagram-posts/who-pandemic-accord-doesnt-replace-us-sovereignty/ IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 168744 From: I hold a Juris Doctorate (J.D.) and a Legum Magister (LL.M.)! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 24, 2023 05:08 AM
“provided that activities within their jurisdiction or control do not cause damage to their peoples and other countries.”
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teasel Knowflake Posts: 23752 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 24, 2023 08:03 AM
quote: Originally posted by jwhop: The minute any foreign troops, UN or otherwise, disembark on US shores...it's on.
Are you a Putin supporter? Because this is the position of people in Ukraine. IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 23752 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 24, 2023 08:04 AM
quote: Originally posted by Randall: One would think the countries that sign on to it would enforce it, but when you give up your own sovereignty, that is a sliding scale. The Constitution gives the federal government very few enumerated powers, and the rest are reserved to the states. This would just be an extreme extension of the BS attempted because of Covid. There is no pandemic exemption in the Constitution.
There is an actual pandemic, but your people politicized it, and just had to push lies in an effort to win an election. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 18491 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 24, 2023 10:30 AM
quote: Originally posted by Dhyana: Biden plans to sign it. [QUOTE]The Biden administration is preparing to sign a "legally binding" accord with the WHO that would give the Geneva-based UN health agency the authority to dictate US policies during a pandemic. Epoch Times business reporter Kevin Stocklin tells NTD’s Stefania Cox that the Pandemic Prevention, Preparedness, and Response Accord would damage personal #sovereignty and #CivilRights
. http://ntd.nyc/GlobalPandemicT... [/QUOTE]Biden doesn't have the authority to enter into a treaty with anyone, any country or any organization. That requires a 2/3rds majority vote of the US Senate. Any such treaty signed unilaterally by Biden would be void or voidable. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 18491 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 24, 2023 10:35 AM
quote: Originally posted by teasel: Are you a Putin supporter? Because this is the position of people in Ukraine.
You're an embarrassment ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/redface.gif) For having the opinion...you say...of people of Ukraine, you allege I'm a Putin supporter ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/redface.gif) Illogical, irrational and incoherent. IP: Logged |
Belage Knowflake Posts: 6598 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 24, 2023 02:43 PM
quote: Originally posted by Randall: “provided that activities within their jurisdiction or control do not cause damage to their peoples and other countries.”
Yeah, the devil is in the details, isnt it? Basically it leaves the option that if people do not agree to take experimental vaccines in future pandemic, they could label them causing damage to their peoples and other countries. We went through that crap with Covid. IP: Logged |
Dhyana Knowflake Posts: 1719 From: US Registered: Sep 2019
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posted February 24, 2023 02:48 PM
quote: Originally posted by jwhop: Biden doesn't have the authority to enter into a treaty with anyone, any country or any organization. That requires a 2/3rds majority vote of the US Senate. Any such treaty signed unilaterally by Biden would be void or voidable.
Jwhop, you are right! quote: The Constitution provides, in the second paragraph of Article II, Section 2, that “the President shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur.”
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Dhyana Knowflake Posts: 1719 From: US Registered: Sep 2019
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posted February 24, 2023 02:52 PM
quote: Originally posted by Belage: Yeah, the devil is in the details, isnt it? Basically it leaves the option that if people do not agree to take experimental vaccines in future pandemic, they could label them causing damage to their peoples and other countries. We went through that crap with Covid.
Good point. And the WHO gets to define pandemic as they please.
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Dhyana Knowflake Posts: 1719 From: US Registered: Sep 2019
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posted February 24, 2023 05:51 PM
Jwhop, may I share? Think of negative judgments directed at you as expressions of unmet needs and you'll be untouched by them. Brother, you're a patriot, who loves your country. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 168744 From: I hold a Juris Doctorate (J.D.) and a Legum Magister (LL.M.)! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 24, 2023 07:20 PM
Great point, Jwhop!IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 18491 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 26, 2023 07:49 PM
quote: Originally posted by Dhyana: Jwhop, may I share? Think of negative judgments directed at you as expressions of unmet needs and you'll be untouched by them. Brother, you're a patriot, who loves your country.
Thanks Dhyana. IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 23752 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 26, 2023 08:44 PM
quote: Originally posted by Dhyana: Jwhop, may I share? Think of negative judgments directed at you as expressions of unmet needs and you'll be untouched by them. Brother, you're a patriot, who loves your country.
Unmet needs? Stop. And I'm not an embarrassment. The fact that you insult everyone you disagree with, all the ******* time, really makes you one. Since you're constantly directing negativity at me and others: what are your unmet needs, that cause you to lash out? Jwhop. But that could really go for any of you. IP: Logged |