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Randall
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posted August 24, 2023 12:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
President Trump sat out the debate in order to attempt to delegitimize it. Did it work? It appears that it did.
http://currently.att.yahoo.com/att/first-gop-primary-debate-fails-to-land-on-alternative-to-trump-045153002.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&uh_test=1_11

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posted August 24, 2023 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it is good for voters that candidates debate each other and state their positions. That is why we have been having presidential debates for eons. To change things now shows how badly we have moved from reason and sanity, and how much we have fallen into the cult of personality.

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posted August 24, 2023 02:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I disagree. Everyone knows exactly what President Trump thinks about every issue. This debate was about what the other candidates could offer, and all they did was attack each other. There was no benefit to President Trump to attend this debacle. He has such a huge lead (in part, at least, due to the indictments, ironically), so he made the right move. I think he might attend the next one.

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posted August 24, 2023 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1694513603251241143

8:55 PM · Aug 23, 2023

231.5M
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Got that?
231.5 million views of Carlson/Trump interview.

Fox ratings for the republican primary debate are so bad they're holding off publishing their numbers.

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posted August 24, 2023 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
I disagree. Everyone knows exactly what President Trump thinks about every issue. This debate was about what the other candidates could offer, and all they did was attack each other. There was no benefit to President Trump to attend this debacle. He has such a huge lead (in part, at least, due to the indictments, ironically), so he made the right move. I think he might attend the next one.

It's okay if he thought there would be no benefit to him and he wanted to abstain.

But he had to schedule the release of his interview with Tucker to coincide with the GOP debate. That's petty and shows the mindset of it's-all-about-me.

I am honestly disliking him more and more and that puts me in a bind, honestly.

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posted August 24, 2023 03:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jwhop:
http://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1694513603251241143

8:55 PM · Aug 23, 2023

231.5M
Views

Got that?
231.5 million views of Carlson/Trump interview.

Fox ratings for the republican primary debate are so bad they're holding off publishing their numbers.


Don't be fooled.

231.55 million views do not mean 231.5 millions of people like or respect him. People love to watch a trainwreck and that is why so many tuned in.

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posted August 24, 2023 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Belage:
It's okay if he thought there would be no benefit to him and he wanted to abstain.

But he had to schedule the release of his interview with Tucker to coincide with the GOP debate. That's petty and shows the mindset of it's-all-about-me.

I am honestly disliking him more and more and that puts me in a bind, honestly.


Trump had his reasons for counter-programming during the Fox Primary debate.

"The rationale for Trump holding a counter programming event to the Fox primary debates is simple. Fox News tried to set Trump up.....just like Fox did in the 2016 primary debates. This was all about getting Trump. Instead, Trump turned the tables on the Trump haters at Fox...including the Murdochs, Paul Ryan, Cavuto and others and blew Fox News away with more than 231 million views. More people saw Trump in 46 minutes with Tucker than would have seen Trump in 10 debates on Fox News. That's a 2fer. Trump stuck his thumb in the eyes of Fox Trump haters and blew them away with audience share too."
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum26/HTML/008499.html

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posted August 24, 2023 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Belage:
Don't be fooled.

231.55 million views do not mean 231.5 millions of people like or respect him. People love to watch a trainwreck and that is why so many tuned in.


I'm not fooled. You're beginning to sound like you've bought the I Hate Trump Koolaid though. People only tuned in to watch the Trump train-wreck....which didn't happen.

Btw, 231.5 million views is a huge number who tuned in to watch the Trump train-wreck. Did you even watch it yourself?

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posted August 24, 2023 04:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Belage:
I think it is good for voters that candidates debate each other and state their positions. That is why we have been having presidential debates for eons. To change things now shows how badly we have moved from reason and sanity, and how much we have fallen into the cult of personality.

I agree, and who cares what the former president thinks about every issue? Everyone I follow, agreed that none of them would be the nominee, because they couldn’t dislodge a career criminal, who oversees a cult.

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posted August 24, 2023 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
I disagree. Everyone knows exactly what President Trump thinks about every issue. This debate was about what the other candidates could offer, and all they did was attack each other. There was no benefit to President Trump to attend this debacle. He has such a huge lead (in part, at least, due to the indictments, ironically), so he made the right move. I think he might attend the next one.

He attacks people all the time. He would have fit right in. I recall you saying that his attacks got results.

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posted August 24, 2023 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Belage:
Don't be fooled.

231.55 million views do not mean 231.5 millions of people like or respect him. People love to watch a trainwreck and that is why so many tuned in.


This is why so many people followed him on twitter, too. That’s why I never understood the claims that he couldn’t have lost the election, because of social media follows and viewers? There are these things called hate-follows, and frenemies.

I’m sure that Randall mentioned drama bringing in viewers/lurkers here, in the past. I don’t watch reality shows, but millions love them. They watch, they gossip, they judge. Trump is a walking reality show.

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posted August 24, 2023 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I'm not fooled. You're beginning to sound like you've bought the I Hate Trump Koolaid though. People only tuned in to watch the Trump train-wreck....which didn't happen.

Btw, 231.5 million views is a huge number who tuned in to watch the Trump train-wreck. Did you even watch it yourself?


She doesn’t have a right to change her mind about him? Isn’t this a free country? Are you going to start insulting her, if she doesn’t support him?

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posted August 24, 2023 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Teasel, you have an innate inability to make rational arguments. Belage, pray for all of us, so we can be perfect like you. Jwhop explained why President Trump ditched the debate. Do you not agree?

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posted August 24, 2023 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jwhop:
I'm not fooled. You're beginning to sound like you've bought the I Hate Trump Koolaid though. People only tuned in to watch the Trump train-wreck....which didn't happen.

Btw, 231.5 million views is a huge number who tuned in to watch the Trump train-wreck. Did you even watch it yourself?


I'll tell you what, I don't drink anyone's koolaid, whether it's the love or the hate koolaid.

I am not into cult of personality. I dont make idols of human beings. I look at people's actions and their results. I am certainly not into wishful thinking.

If a politician makes serious mistakes, he is not guaranteed my vote. I am no one ride or die chick...


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posted August 24, 2023 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Teasel, you have an innate inability to make rational arguments. Belage, pray for all of us, so we can be perfect like you. Jwhop explained why President Trump ditched the debate. Do you not agree?

Did you not read my answer? I said, fine, he ditched the debate. But scheduling his interview with Tucker to coincide with the GOP debate shows pettiness and him making everything about himself. It is no longer about letting people decide who is the best man for the job. He is no longer fighting for us, he is fighting for himself.

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posted August 24, 2023 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just vote Independent or go woke. No one could have predicted massive voter fraud. And you are holding President Trump responsible for not fighting back all of the attacks against him 24/7 and not being able to drain the swamp? Please, pray for us to be perfect like you.

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posted August 24, 2023 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Belage:
I'll tell you what, I don't drink anyone's koolaid, whether it's the love or the hate koolaid.

I am not into cult of personality. I dont make idols of human beings. I look at people's actions and their results. I am certainly not into wishful thinking.

If a politician makes serious mistakes, he is not guaranteed my vote. I am no one ride or die chick...


If you're results oriented as you say, then you must love Trump, because he's the president who produced all those great results for America. Or, do you get to overlook Trump's great results...on the economy, on domestic policy, on foreign policy, on energy policy and instead, focus on 'mean tweets'?

There is no Trump cult. You're drinking the leftist Koolaid.
Trump supporters are the most results oriented voters on planet earth.

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posted August 24, 2023 07:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We are not personality-focused; we are policy-focused. DISCLAIMER: I do like his personality.

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posted August 24, 2023 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Just vote Independent or go woke. No one could have predicted massive voter fraud. And you are holding President Trump responsible for not fighting back all of the attacks against him 24/7 and not being able to drain the swamp? Please, pray for us to be perfect like you.

Geez, I have never claimed to be. In fact, I am one of the rare people in here who will readily admit when I make a mistake. So obviously I don't think of myself as perfect.

The issue is DT making major errors, and that is not being acknowledged by the adoring base.


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posted August 24, 2023 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wrong. These are not major "errors." You can't just fire public employees without due cause. You shouldn't direct the Dept. of Justice. Although, now, he should do just that.

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posted August 24, 2023 11:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Trump-Carlson interview views 231.5 million.

Fox republican primary debate viewers...12.8 million

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posted August 24, 2023 11:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow! The ratings comparison speaks for itself.

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posted August 25, 2023 12:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Debate Rating: Only 12.8M Watched, 13M Less than Donald Trump’s 2015 Debut
Wendell Husebø
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Only 12.8 million watched Fox News’ Republican primary debate Wednesday night in Milwaukee, about 13 million viewers less than former President Donald Trump’s debate debut in 2015, Nielsen Media Research data shows.................
http://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/08/24/debate-rating-only-12-8m-watched-13m-less-than-donald-trumps-2015-debut/

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posted August 26, 2023 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Wrong. These are not major "errors." You can't just fire public employees without due cause. You shouldn't direct the Dept. of Justice. Although, now, he should do just that.

If you do not think that being blindsided on having elections stolen from under you, and having the J6 turned into the fiasco that it became are not major errors... then I don't know what to say to you.

As for the major errors of not firing the deep state when he was in office due to not having "due cause", he doesn't have any more "due cause" in strickly legalese terms now then he did then...

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posted August 26, 2023 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1. No one predicted that massive election fraud could have been committed at the level of tens of millions of votes. No one. Nor did anyone think the courts would allow it. Period. You are sounding as prophetic as Jesus now, and you certainly are not.

2. President Trump told his followers to march to the Capitol “peacefully and patriotically.” Who would think the FBI would get away with staging such a riot? Many protests have taken place at that location and marched to the Capitol—some over heated topics like abortion. So, you’re claiming the POTUS cannot be allowed do the same, just because he’s disliked? Sounds to me like you truly have drank the hater aid of TDS.

3. Take off your hater shades for a moment and give some rational thought a chance to escape your bias. Facts: In light of all the incontrovertible evidence of a vast conspiracy against President Trump that has been discovered after he departed office, yes, he has more than enough sufficient and just cause to fire all of the ones involved.

Next-day couch quarterbacking is never a good look.

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