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teasel
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posted September 26, 2023 10:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.cnn.com/2023/09/26/politics/trump-organization-business-fraud/index.html

A New York judge has found Donald Trump and his adult sons liable for fraud and canceled the Trump Organization’s business certification, saying the Trumps provided false financial statements for roughly a decade.

Judge Arthur Engoron’s ruling came days before the civil case involving the New York attorney general’s office and the former president was set to go to trial.

Engoron granted Attorney General Letitia James’ motion for summary judgment, finding Trump, his sons, and others “to be liable as a matter of law for persistent violations” of New York state law. He found the financial statements the Trumps provided to lenders and insurers for about a decade to be false and said they repeatedly engaged in fraud

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posted September 26, 2023 10:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The trump org has to be dissolved, and he loses several properties, apparently.

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posted September 26, 2023 11:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There was no fraud. Lenders have the responsibility to assess the properties on their own, commercial property assessment is not a fine science, lenders were all happy and were paid back (there are no victims), and there were disclaimers inserted in the loan docs. No, the properties will not be dissolved based on views of a Trump hating judge’s misapplication of the law. Calm down. You get way too excited over this kind of stuff, only to be let down again and again.

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posted September 27, 2023 06:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The actual trump crime family.

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posted September 27, 2023 11:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Except that no crimes have been committed. But Biden is racking up some serious offenses.

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posted September 27, 2023 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As for the charges against Trump, they were bee ess, generic charges that could be leveled at any real estate developer. Somehow only Trump got them and the timing was amazing.

They were also bee ess because valuing of properties is highly subjective. The judge valued Trump's Mar-a-Lago properties at $18 million, while the vacant lots in the area are going for $400 million. That sounds like corruption on her side of the bench, not Trump's.

As I wrote here, commenting on an attempted Washington Post hit job Trump's banker in San Diego, a good banker always checks out the collateral on a client's loan forms to make his own assessment before offering a loan. This banker profiled in the Washington Post, from Axos Bank, named Gregory Garrabrants, in fact, found the Trump empire to be reasonable and honest, giving the Post's reporter the fisheye by saying:

"It wouldn't matter if I was friends with someone, I'm not going to make a loan that's no good," he said. "I don't like anyone that much."
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2023/09/another_trump_indictment_and_what_a_coincidence_some_very_damning_news_about_joe_bidens_corruption.html

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posted September 27, 2023 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mar-A Lago worth $350 million. Not the $18 million the idiot NY prosecutor values Mar-A-Lago.

"According to Forbes' latest evaluation of the property in March, Mar-a-Lago is worth $350 million."

For all the reasons Randall listed, this fraud conviction needs to be overturned by an appellate court.

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posted September 27, 2023 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since when....in America, is a defendant prevented from putting on a defense at their trial??

Arthur Engoron, an elected civil Justice of the New York County Supreme Court, issued a rare summary judgment that concluded that New York Attorney General Letitia James proved her case before the defense mounted its own.

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posted September 27, 2023 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mar-A-Lago also has 700 acres of land. President Trump increased its value just hours after this lunatic judge's "ruling." That is what I would call a big F you!
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-increases-mar-a-lago-value-hours-after-judge-rules-against-him/ar-AA1hll5Z?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=673acdf3cadd4a7abd6be6982bd78e13 &ei=9

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posted September 28, 2023 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Commercial property is more difficult to assess than residential. In the case of President Trump, the properties are so unique that there are no comparables. Some of them are also businesses (golf courses), further complicated valuation. Let's take it even further. LUXURY properties are pretty much worth what someone is willing to pay for them. Then we have the virtually incalculable value of the Trump brand. Meaning that the properties are worth what a bank is willing to loan on them. This judge should be removed from the bench. Just another Trump deranged idiot.

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