posted September 30, 2023 12:35 AM            

And this rapist creature , not T Rex but the T weRe you (seriously) My President , says he will allow shop lifters to be shot. To protect the $80 billion American businesses lost in 2022?

posted September 30, 2023 10:38 PM            

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Originally posted by PhoenixRising:
Said Martin Luther King,

And this rapist creature , not T Rex but the T weRe you (seriously) My President , says he will allow shop lifters to be shot. To protect the $80 billion American businesses lost in 2022?

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As usual, you're at least a bubble off square. Imagine condoning rioting, looting and murder.

posted October 01, 2023 07:58 PM            

MLK wanted equality and brotherhood, not the division that is fostered today, including by those who mislabel themselves as "woke." He often talked about the poor as opposed to just one race...and should be remembered that many that stormed the White House after Trump lost were also facing things like bankruptcy (at least those they were able to find), not people with stable lives and secure income, so could be applied to them as well.

I get the impression that this isn't seen as a law vs order thing, but white vs black, which is itself racist in assuming many if not most rioters and shoplifters are black (and also ignores how many black businesses and jobs these crime damage, which ends up serving Wall Street as well as those who want minorities kept down). In any case, threads like this don't make your cause look righteous to anyone outside your echo chambers, and you need the moderates and swing voters to win.

And who cares about the black slaves being used in modern times to fund electric cars? Even our computers that we're posting with, and our phones we use?

Especially when not politically expedient to feign caring. (Or maybe they really think they care, but it's a tribal response rather than an empathic one embracing common humanity over the tribe.)

I've seen the pix, it was nearly all black, and not only included children in vilest slavery, the kind used in the most melodramatic movies of slavery, but also females with babies strapped to their backs breathing in the dust. Do you care about those suffering today as much as those who suffered centuries ago, or do you really want your electric car, and your computer for fake outrage?

Here...in the simplistic dualism of GU, they can be considered hard liberals, won't describe them as more than that.

This sums up what I'm talking about from a liberal source, though only partial as it's not politically expedient for any partisans to put this under a microscope:
http://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2017/09/the-dark-side-of-elect ric-cars-exploitative-labor-practices/

Only a partial quote for those not wanting to click on it to show that it's liberal by the simplistic definitions here:

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The Scottish government recently announced plans to, by 2032, phase out petrol and diesel vehicles. By 2040, the only cars on United Kingdom roads will also be electric, and petrol stations will be replaced by car charging points. Meanwhile, in the United States, Elon Muskhas announced the launch of the Tesla Model 3, which he hopes will become the world’s first mass-market electric car.

This shift to green technology is extremely welcome. Climate change is one of the biggest human rights challenges of our time, and cities from London to Delhi are choking on vehicle fumes. The move to electric cars will improve air quality and cut the carbon emissions that have pushed our planet to breaking point.

But some electric cars are not, currently, as ethically “clean” as manufacturers would have us believe. Amnesty International’s research has shown that cobalt mined by children and adults in extremely hazardous conditions could be entering the supply chains of some of the world’s largest carmakers.

A key component of the rechargeable lithium-ion batteries on which electric cars run is cobalt. More than half of the world’s cobalt comes from the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC). Despite its mineral riches, the DRC is one of the poorest countries in the world, and has suffered from decades of war and corrupt leaders. With so few formal jobs in the country, hundreds of thousands of Congolese men, women and children, have been driven to dig their own mines to earn their livelihoods.

Government officials told us that 20% of the cobalt exported from the DRC comes from these so-called “artisanal” miners. The true figure is likely higher. The artisanal mines produce cheaper cobalt than industrial mines (partly because people are paid so little and are unregulated) and as demand has grown, we have heard of new mine sites being developed across the region.

What this means is that a huge amount of the global cobalt supplies comes from these mines. While we do not know where most of it ends up, it is reasonable to assume that it is entering the supply chains of the handful of companies which dominate the car battery market.

Working with a Congolese NGO, Afrewatch, Amnesty International found children as young as seven in the mining areas. None of the adult or child miners we saw wore facemasks that could prevent them from inhaling cobalt dust, which could lead to potentially fatal lung disease. Mines collapse frequently, burying people underground. No one knows the exact figure, but UNICEF estimates that 40,000 children work in mining across the south of the DRC where cobalt is found.

Using company records, our investigation into the supply of cobalt traced it from the mines in the DRC to Chinese buying companies and smelters, through battery component manufacturers in China and South Korea and on to battery makers who supply many of the world’s leading electric car companies.

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There are other sources for cobalt and lithium, but slaves are cheaper. I don't expect anyone who claim "black lives matter" to stand up for them, however, especially when they realize it might not only cost them electric cars, but even their phone in which to post their faux outrage over the injustices of the world.

As for MLK Jr...ah yes, found it:

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“Violence as a way of achieving racial justice is both impractical and immoral. I am not unmindful of the fact that violence often brings about momentary results. Nations have frequently won their independence in battle. But in spite of temporary victories, violence never brings permanent peace. It solves no social problem: it merely creates new and more complicated ones.

Violence is impractical because it is a descending spiral ending in destruction for all. It is immoral because it seeks to humiliate the opponent rather than win his understanding: it seeks to annihilate rather than convert.

Violence is immoral because it thrives on hatred rather than love. It destroys community and makes brotherhood impossible. It leaves society in monologue rather than dialogue. Violence ends up defeating itself.”

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Ah, a quote from a more civilized time (the brutal realities of the Cold War, including Vietnam, and racial strife that existed back then that actually was systemic unlike today, not withstanding).

Okay, not so civilized. But at least politicians and political figures (the ones that got the respect) sounded like they were worth respect rather than repeating bumper sticker slogans they memorized (and someone else came up with for them) or even like they should be in a wrestling show (at least voice acting for one).

That is, they sounded worthy to stand on a soap box and speak in public, unlike so many today (regardless of their politics). They'd at least try to hide their base nature if they couldn't rise above it, appealing to what is good in humanity rather than what is worst about us all (being self-righteous about it doesn't make it better, if anything, it shames the weak-willed to be worse rather than better).

If you hate what Nestlé was trying to do to public water (I won't be surprised if you don't know all that they do), you should dislike Pelosi for similar reasons. I just wish I could trust Republicans to fix it rather than continue it. But if the rank and file stood up to these abuses, then it might change. Maybe.

Or the incestuous relationship between admittedly corrupt and abusive nursing homes and unethical medical practices and the politicians (many if not most Democrat) who decry them but won't fix them because they're profiting too much. Just one of the many ways they do that. How many small businesses were destroyed through a planned recycling strategy during the Covid shutdown (and still being destroyed and assimilated by Wall Street). I don't even want to review the relationship between Gov Newsome and PG&E (who campaigned against them but is like their biggest ***** ).

I wonder how many forget the Bernie supporters that then voted Trump ( here, wikipedia ) to send a message about the DP ignoring the rank and file who actually care about the message (rather than exploiting the problems instead of solving them because mass movements need a devil to keep them together, and they're not exorcising any they don't have to) to promote Hillary, in the "fine" tradition of the PUMAs. Though uncertain given how close it was and some other factors, it looks as if the defection cost Hillary the election. Not that I expect the DP, and the rank and file in their echo chambers, to learn anything from it.

But then clearly I'm a Republic, right? A racist, a fascist, and whatever else you want to throw at me.

Probably Amnesty International is to you as well if it makes you at all uncomfortable about supporting electric cars.

posted October 01, 2023 09:53 PM            

I disagree with democrats at times, and I was a Bernie supporter. The people who went on to vote for trump, who supported Bernie, seem to have forgotten what they were fighting for. It’s just an all-out war on democrats, including really insane conspiracy theories. I’m not the one worshipping any politician. I’m not in a cult. I think it’s disgusting that people mocked pelosi’s husband, when he was attacked, and could have died. It was vile.

You have no issue with trump anymore? With the republicans at all? You just zeroed in on two comments, because?

posted October 01, 2023 09:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Good to know that you support riots and looting, as well as the murder of an unarmed woman. If it’s okay to shoot Ashli, then it’s okay to shoot rioters, right?

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posted October 01, 2023 10:10 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Sure, I’m the one who loves guns, and imagines reasons to shoot people all the time. I’m the one with the Christmas cards featuring my family holding assault weapons, because that’s what Jesus would do.

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posted October 01, 2023 10:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
So you are saying Biden should be shot? He stored classified docs in his garage next to his corvette. The Presidential Records Act gave President Trump the right to keep any docs he wanted to. Biden wasn’t President at the time he stole those docs. The first thing President Trump should do is have the killer of Ashli arrested for murder and held with no bail in the same place and under the same conditions as the Jan. 6 protesters.

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Why would I say that anyone should be shot? I was talking about your boy, thinking people who are desperate enough to steal, should be shot. But try to overthrow the government, and he should get away with it? Miniscule crime versus an attempted coup.

Oh, and pixie, the proud boys were there for violence. They weren’t desperate. The story was also that his fans just got out of control, like sports fans. Except that sports fans usually aren’t carrying zip ties, and nooses.

Were you okay with the planning of a kidnapping of Whitmer, DeWine, and others? Do you also think that they brought that on themselves, because they tried to protect their citizens from Covid?

posted October 01, 2023 10:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
You seem totally obsessed with Jesus. You are literally the only person who brings Jesus up on this forum. If people want to put a family pic of themselves on Christmas cards with guns, so what? We have the 1st Amendment and the 2nd Amendment to protect the 1st.

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Jesus, the one you guys pull out as the excuse for everything. The reason for the season, too. I don’t recall the second amendment being mentioned at Sunday school.

posted October 01, 2023 10:33 PM            

A local woman recently died from complications of a miscarriage. It was an ectopic pregnancy, but I'm not sure if the doctors held off on helping her, because of the laws here. I thought the stricter ban was blocked, but I'm not sure, because things keep changing here. She's left behind three children, including a baby who was born a year ago.

The State I live in, has abortion on the ballot in November. They worked hard to get it on the ballot, only for the republicans to break their own new rule, and hold a special election this summer, in an attempt to block changes to our constitution. They have now changed the language on the ballot, to include the wording "Unborn children" or something like that. Unborn babies, which makes it sound like women everywhere are trying to abort just before babies are born. That's just one thing here.

How do I help those children overseas? I can't afford to donate to anything, and who the hell knows if money actually goes where it's supposed to go? I have a phone, I don't use it for everything. I'm at my computer. What are you typing on? My landline was disconnected by my dad, so that we wouldn't have another bill to pay, and he has to use his phone as a GPS for his deliveries, it's built into the app he has to use. He could go back to using his regular GPS, but his company makes them download this app, and it organizes his route for him. Would you like to insult my dad, who doesn't care much for either party?

The woman accused of looting, who was pregnant, and was also shot, was in my State, too. You think I don't care about what happens where I live? I don't drive, so I don't own any sort of car. My dad owns old vans, that he uses for deliveries.

I was recently thinking about all of the nastiness on Next-door. The times that something has happened, you get people blaming the people in the apartments. Apparently, a homeowner has never, ever been a problem. Not once. It's always "those apartments." I've seen it in facebook groups, including English ones. Someone was happy that the British version of Aldi's was bringing their store to their area. They got responses from people saying it would bring "the wrong sort" to their area. When I asked what they meant by that, they said I would know if I saw them.

the people complaining about those in apartments, would be reminding those same people how lucky they are to have a roof over their heads - any roof - if they got wind of them not being grateful for their lives, every single day. Suddenly, those apartments would be considered a luxury.

I partly grew up in council housing. I am the sort of person those people were complaining about, when they heard about Aldi's. I still live in a quiet place, in a house that is falling apart. We lived in a trailer for a while, when I was little.

posted October 01, 2023 10:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
You seem totally obsessed with Jesus. You are literally the only person who brings Jesus up on this forum. If people want to put a family pic of themselves on Christmas cards with guns, so what? We have the 1st Amendment and the 2nd Amendment to protect the 1st.

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posted October 02, 2023 12:46 AM            

It's not all or nothing, nor good vs evil. Just because you can point out perfidy on one side while defending perfidy on your side doesn't make your side supportable to those who feel outside your tribe.

I brought up other stuff. I could bring up so much more. (I can also share my own sob stories of helping neighbors and participating in charities.) But there is a limit of time and space (and one of the links I looked up put a lot of crap on my computer so I had to basically clean it off and let the computer cool down which took out the desire to continue or find more links to explain what I mean).

Whatever the case is with you personally (which should not be confused with "everyone"), I know my assumption would hold weight with others.

Though looking at the one who started this thread, I remember now that she's...not so easily defined, and I have a bad habit of confusing her with another poster who sounds similar in her own way (but they're not identical, I don't think they're the same person). I can't figure out why she posts a lot that she does, including here.

However, why mention MLK Jr? That goaded me because I didn't like to see someone who had something worth saying twisted to fit modern agendas that he'd be opposed to.

And wanting to protect looters and thieves over honest folk...you really don't see that as strange? Can't see why people would find it disturbing?

I certainly can't make sense of it, but I tried, however futile it might be. Taken as is, if it's not some "poor oppressed peasants against the power" comes off as supporting the Joker over Batman. Why would you do that? Why would you be surprised that people would not get behind that?

I'd understand about not wanting to see the death penalty for stealing, but allowing them to run amok shouldn't be desired either, and yet that seems to be the theme here. Support the criminals over people trying to get by in these trying times. That's not the way to win support for your side.

If Phoenix wanted to say something about corruption and corporate greed getting us here, fine, but she instead posts some quote from MLK Jr for whatever reason.

As for the choice between Democrats and Republicans...for many of us, and a big contributing factor why many don't even bother to vote, that's more of a dilemma rather than a choice. It has been for a very long time.

I've leaned Democrat, but now I'm leaning Republican. Others are as well, and people saying things as like in this thread, supporting rioters is just one of the reasons why.

Liberals, from Bill Maher to uber-Leftist Chris Hedges have warned of this, but they're not being listened to.

You think voting for them is the answer?

Remember Cindy Sheehan? She used to be a celebrity until Obama won, and even turning on her when she protested Obama winning a peace prize as the wars she (and Democrats USED to) protested continued on. She saw how fake the Democrats were, that they didn't care about her dead son, just how her sob story could be used to put a Democrat in the White House, and then she was tossed out like garbage.

They're even worse now.

I know a teacher who is just desperate to get her pension and retire...she hates the union, which is as much of a union as North Korea is a Republic. The union has sweetheart deals with the Democrat Party, and thus politicize teachers who don't want to be, though that seems to almost never make it on the news. She lives in fear, and speaks with other teachers in private chats who are scared of being blacklisted by union and administrators if they speak out in any way whatsoever. This doesn't mean she therefore wants the state of Gilead. But right now her "union" is more of a threat to her job and sanity than Republicans.

She's not alone in her demoralized discontent, and while she won't dare admit it, she's likely to vote Republican to spite those who make her march to orders to keep her pension...she can't imagine putting up with as much as she has only to lose it now, because of your party. The fact that Republicans have caused her distress in the past doesn't absolve Democrats of what they're doing now.

I could go on why they're eclipsing Republicans as a concern, and why many don't believe that Democrats want to solve problems, but rather exploit them, even exacerbate them (whether from incompetence or diabolical brilliance is a debate in of itself).

We're tired of seeing institutions, both political (but not supposed to be partisan), and what should NOT be political and yet have been politicized into partisan lines and thus compromised, have caved to the Democrats, so it's time for the pendulum to swing back the other way. (Should we actually approach the state of Gilead or some such, and I mean for real rather than the liars you believe saying it's almost here, then I'll want to push the pendulum the other way.)

posted October 02, 2023 01:33 AM            

I remember when she slipped a disc, and was in a lot of pain. He had done his usual BS, and she was angry with him. He used to pick us up by our ankles, and then throw us back onto a bed. I hated it. He did that to her, when he brought her food, and she kicked it out of his hands. He picked her up by her ankles, and ordered her to eat the spaghetti off the floor. She kept hitting his knees/legs, so he threw her onto the bed, causing her to howl in pain. He didn't give a **** that he'd hurt her, but he WAS worried about the two men who lived in the flat above us. We knew all of our neighbours, and they loved us, too. Scared of getting his arse beaten, for hurting her, he took off.

I had one nightmare over and over, that was set in the dark, in and around that building. I was running up the steps that led to the apartments on the roof, then running to another set of steps and going down, running around the building in the dark. I ran along the side, between the building and the fence, and then up another set of steps, running from someone. I realized one morning, that it was him I was running from, and that I had no reason to fear him anymore. But there are too many men out there, just like him. He affected me for life, as did the man who almost killed me, because he didn't like children. He thought my mum would marry him, and send us to my dad, after he'd almost killed me (and would have, if she hadn't got him to let me go).

posted October 02, 2023 02:02 AM            

It is the system that sucks and brought us here. The top 5 richest keep getting richer while the guys on main street has their income almost static for the past 10 years. And the guys on the main street are struggling to put food on the table for their families.

MLK may sound philosophical but it is the truth. What better time to realize that. When we are born as human beings , we all share the religion of humanity . Not Christianity, not muslim. Not any other ism religion.

And I didn't tell you the surprise ending . when the shop lifting took place when I was shopping. The lady there made sure, the guy left the building and then called the police. Bravo!

Just as all these Elites suck up to one another , for once the masses should unite and their voices must be heard.

I personally believe in law and order -- but very curious on the unheard voices. Surely we are responsible to address them instead of ignoring them.

Chaos cannot be left untreated. Surely the gods cause earthquakes when the chaos level reach a limit. Remember the recent Libya earthquake.

We humans are supposed to take care of each other. Respect for diversity is the need of the hour. End corruption and corporate greed.

posted October 05, 2023 11:54 AM            

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I came to this forum for the tragic comedy, but this actually caught my attention. I wasn't aware (since I stopped listening to the lying media, better to be uninformed than misinformed) that his name was being exploited. That's as sad, perhaps more so, since child sweatshop labor were used to crank out Che merch to sell to rich kids in the US.

MLK wanted equality and brotherhood, not the division that is fostered today, including by those who mislabel themselves as "woke." He often talked about the poor as opposed to just one race...and should be remembered that many that stormed the White House after Trump lost were also facing things like bankruptcy (at least those they were able to find), not people with stable lives and secure income, so could be applied to them as well.

I get the impression that this isn't seen as a law vs order thing, but white vs black, which is itself racist in assuming many if not most rioters and shoplifters are black (and also ignores how many black businesses and jobs these crime damage, which ends up serving Wall Street as well as those who want minorities kept down). In any case, threads like this don't make your cause look righteous to anyone outside your echo chambers, and you need the moderates and swing voters to win.

And who cares about the black slaves being used in modern times to fund electric cars? Even our computers that we're posting with, and our phones we use?

Especially when not politically expedient to feign caring. (Or maybe they really think they care, but it's a tribal response rather than an empathic one embracing common humanity over the tribe.)

I've seen the pix, it was nearly all black, and not only included children in vilest slavery, the kind used in the most melodramatic movies of slavery, but also females with babies strapped to their backs breathing in the dust. Do you care about those suffering today as much as those who suffered centuries ago, or do you really want your electric car, and your computer for fake outrage?

Here...in the simplistic dualism of GU, they can be considered hard liberals, won't describe them as more than that.

This sums up what I'm talking about from a liberal source, though only partial as it's not politically expedient for any partisans to put this under a microscope:
http://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2017/09/the-dark-side-of-elect ric-cars-exploitative-labor-practices/

Only a partial quote for those not wanting to click on it to show that it's liberal by the simplistic definitions here:

Ah, a quote from a more civilized time (the brutal realities of the Cold War, including Vietnam, and racial strife that existed back then that actually was systemic unlike today, not withstanding).

Okay, not so civilized. But at least politicians and political figures (the ones that got the respect) sounded like they were worth respect rather than repeating bumper sticker slogans they memorized (and someone else came up with for them) or even like they should be in a wrestling show (at least voice acting for one).

That is, they sounded worthy to stand on a soap box and speak in public, unlike so many today (regardless of their politics). They'd at least try to hide their base nature if they couldn't rise above it, appealing to what is good in humanity rather than what is worst about us all (being self-righteous about it doesn't make it better, if anything, it shames the weak-willed to be worse rather than better).

If you hate what Nestlé was trying to do to public water (I won't be surprised if you don't know all that they do), you should dislike Pelosi for similar reasons. I just wish I could trust Republicans to fix it rather than continue it. But if the rank and file stood up to these abuses, then it might change. Maybe.

Or the incestuous relationship between admittedly corrupt and abusive nursing homes and unethical medical practices and the politicians (many if not most Democrat) who decry them but won't fix them because they're profiting too much. Just one of the many ways they do that. How many small businesses were destroyed through a planned recycling strategy during the Covid shutdown (and still being destroyed and assimilated by Wall Street). I don't even want to review the relationship between Gov Newsome and PG&E (who campaigned against them but is like their biggest ***** ).

I wonder how many forget the Bernie supporters that then voted Trump ( here, wikipedia ) to send a message about the DP ignoring the rank and file who actually care about the message (rather than exploiting the problems instead of solving them because mass movements need a devil to keep them together, and they're not exorcising any they don't have to) to promote Hillary, in the "fine" tradition of the PUMAs. Though uncertain given how close it was and some other factors, it looks as if the defection cost Hillary the election. Not that I expect the DP, and the rank and file in their echo chambers, to learn anything from it.

But then clearly I'm a Republic, right? A racist, a fascist, and whatever else you want to throw at me.

Probably Amnesty International is to you as well if it makes you at all uncomfortable about supporting electric cars.

If you only knew how much you hated your own reflection.

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PixieJane,

I don't recall you or maybe I am just not familiar with you as a poster, but everything you said here resonated with me. I have been staying away lately from the forum because it seems to have degenerated into personal attack exchanges.

posted October 05, 2023 01:08 PM            

I said that in one thread, and then you ran with that to a new thread that you started. So, I said that a number of them didn't breach the capitol building, they just marched down there as trump told them to, when he said that he would join them.

posted October 05, 2023 11:50 PM            

System is bad no doubt. But politicians are using your anger for their own agendas. This is what I hate about them.