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Topic: Ukraine War Expected To End Soon
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Belage2
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posted March 02, 2025 04:15 PM
  
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Zelensky calculated this ambush to be on the American “stage” and never wanted a diplomatic solution. It’s not so much what he said but where he said it and when he said it. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, his people are being slaughtered. The Europeans are only publicly supporting him. Privately, they are imploring him to reconcile with President Trump. And apparently he has listened. He now wants that minerals agreement.
I wouldn't assume that, until papers to that effect are signed... Zelensky will only sign if he feels there is no other choice, which means he would have given up on Europe giving him money and soldiers to continue the war. Judging by the grandstanding of the European media and European politicians on the issue, the unabashed support they have PUBLICLY given him on the spat with the White House, Zelensky still holds hope, even if they pressure him privately...
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Randall
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posted March 02, 2025 04:42 PM
As I said, good for them. Do you mean thrbsdhevEutope that has been guying oil and gas from a Russia? They have been funding both sides! They need to defend themselves for a change. But I would question your news sources. One that you posted was easily debunked. President Trump is not a Russian agent. He took away Putin’s pipeline, if you recall. Biden gave it back. Perhaps, Biden was Putin’s Puppet? He certainly was beholden to China. Zelensky wants to make the deal now. What then? Europe and the UK can provide peacekeeping forces during excavation. IP: Logged |
PlutoWasHere
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posted March 04, 2025 01:14 AM
Trump is the one who is opening the doors to Russia. Cutting off aid after the so called “blow up” in the Oval Office was always the plan. And I’m pretty sure it’s illegal because the Budapest agreement of 1994 was protection for Ukraine after dismantling their nuclear weapons.Watch as Trump will use this to quit NATO and the UN. Something he has alluded to before and what Musk has already repeated this week. This is all calculated and discussed beforehand with Putin. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted March 04, 2025 02:37 AM
Why don’t you support a cease fire? President Trump wants the killing to stop. Why should we keep funding this death and destruction? I agree with pulling support. He can’t even account for $64 billion of the money we gave him. He spoke with Dems before the meeting. They are to blame for this. He better get with the program quick. World War III is nigh. I completely agree with pulling out of NATO before we get sucked into another world war.IP: Logged |
PlutoWasHere
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posted March 04, 2025 09:26 AM
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Originally posted by Randall:
Why don’t you support a cease fire? President Trump wants the killing to stop. Why should we keep funding this death and destruction? I agree with pulling support. He can’t even account for $64 billion of the money we gave him. He spoke with Dems before the meeting. They are to blame for this. He better get with the program quick. World War III is nigh. I completely agree with pulling out of NATO before we get sucked into another world war.
Of course I support a cease fire, but not one that entails Ukraine to surrender to Russia. Claiming Russia wants peace while they invaded a sovereign country, killed Ukrainian people and destroyed Ukrainian homes, is complete BS. Unilaterally backing out of international agreements of protecting an invaded country to ensure business opportunities with the aggressor is moral corruption. IP: Logged |
PlutoWasHere
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posted March 04, 2025 09:32 AM
Trump has disbanded the task force that targets Russian oligarchs. And is now working on lifting the sanctions on Russia. Who exactly is Putin’s lapdog? http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/03/trump-sanctions-russia
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-administration-ends-biden-era-task-force-aimed-at-seizing-russian-oligarchs-assets
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PlutoWasHere
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posted March 04, 2025 09:35 AM
Pulling out of NATO to cozy up to a known dictator is something a fascist would do. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted March 04, 2025 11:19 AM
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Originally posted by Randall:
Why don’t you support a cease fire? President Trump wants the killing to stop. Why should we keep funding this death and destruction? I agree with pulling support. He can’t even account for $64 billion of the money we gave him. He spoke with Dems before the meeting. They are to blame for this. He better get with the program quick. World War III is nigh. I completely agree with pulling out of NATO before we get sucked into another world war.
Anyone can see that she supports a real ceasefire, that doesn’t hurt Ukraine. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted March 04, 2025 01:27 PM
A fascist doesn’t shrink the size of government. Russia is negotiating with Iran to get them to accept peace before we have to convince them. IP: Logged |
PlutoWasHere
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posted March 04, 2025 05:26 PM
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A fascist doesn’t shrink the size of government. Russia is negotiating with Iran to get them to accept peace before we have to convince them.
Hitler actually claimed he would drain the “parlamentarischen sumpf, the parliamentarian swamp. He outlawed the opposition and seized legislative power. He also fired a lot of civil servants through the “law for restoration of the professional civil service”. And with fascism it really isn’t about how big or small the government is, as long as it has absolute control. Fascism demands unwavering loyalty. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted March 04, 2025 06:03 PM
Anytime you compare anyone with Hitler (someone who murdered 6 million Jews), you lose your argument. IP: Logged |
PlutoWasHere
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posted March 05, 2025 01:46 AM
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Anytime you compare anyone with Hitler (someone who murdered 6 million Jews), you lose your argument.
If you refuse to learn from your past, you’re doomed to repeat it. Nobody is saying Trump is going to kill 6 million Jews. To reduce Hitler to just that one crime is ignorance. Authoritarian rule, propaganda, violence, oppression, labor camps also belong to the historical legacy. And as things are going currently, it’s plain to see that if Trump were in charge during WW2, he would not support Europe. There were no death camps right from the start. In the 30’s Hitler was a far right politician that dismantled democracy. Trump would not condemn Hitler after invading Poland just as he doesn’t condemn Russia for invading Ukraine. Hitler said Poland left him with no choice and actually started the war. Just like Putin claims about Ukraine. Trump would call 1930’s Hitler a “smart man” and he would become his ally. Pushing Europe and Canada away, and embracing Russia (and de facto North Korea) because you can make a “business deal” is showing true colors. Invading other countries and forced labor are wrong, no matter how you frame it. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted March 05, 2025 03:29 AM
You have a severe case of TDS. It’s not as binary a decision as that. President Trump isn’t embracing Putin. He wants peace. Europe has spent way more in buying oil and natural gas from Putin than they have given Ukraine. They are literally supporting Putin’s war effort by funding it. They clearly would have supported Russia during WWII under the same or similar circumstances. To gain peace, you have to talk to both sides. But while Dems are freaking out anc their party in disarray, President Trump is going to stop the war and leave both sides feeling like winners in the negotiation. Because that’s what he does. And the whiny babies on the left will sit on their hands and cry because that is what they do. Common sense is in control for four years, and if the left continues to insist on mutilating the genitals of children without parental consent, it will be a lot longer than four years. Dems have no clue why they lost. Sit back and watch how it’s done by a real leader. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted March 06, 2025 04:23 AM
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Russia says its troops have captured a village in eastern Ukraine
The Russian Defence Ministry claims its forces have taken the village of Andriivka in Ukraine’s eastern Donetsk region.For months, Russia’s military has been reporting a slow but steady advance westward across the Donetsk region, capturing village after village.
This is what you're cheering on, and the only people with TDS are the members of Trump's cult. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted March 06, 2025 04:33 AM
I accidentally posted a GU topic in Astro 2.0. God damn it, I need to get some sleep. IP: Logged |
PlutoWasHere
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posted March 07, 2025 04:44 PM
This isn’t national politics anymore. This isn’t Republicans vs Democrats, Trump is a diplomatic nightmare. He’s alienating the most important allies the U.S. has. This is going to have terrible consequences for the U.S. economy. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted March 07, 2025 05:07 PM
No, it won't. Stop fearmongering. Why are you so upset that the Ukraine war is about to end? This is what Zelensky wants. IP: Logged |
PlutoWasHere
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posted March 11, 2025 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by Randall:
No, it won't. Stop fearmongering. Why are you so upset that the Ukraine war is about to end? This is what Zelensky wants.
Apparently, the stock market agrees with me. Dow has fallen 900 points. Trump is making a big mess of the economy by starting trade wars. Pushing even U.S. closest allies away. If he keeps calling Canada the 51st state, this will put your electricity supply at risk. Trump calls out Ontario for threatening to cut off electricity supply, but has no problem cutting off military aid to Ukraine. And how quick was Russia to increase it's attacks after the announcement of Trump? It's almost like Russia already was anticipating this would happen. They were ready to go right after Trump's announcement. But wasn't that a surprise decision after Zelensky was "ungrateful"? It was a set up and Trump let Trump know in advance. http://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2025/03/11/sp-500-on-cusp-of-10-correction-as-trump-brandishes-another-set-of-tariffs/
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dow-stock-market-trump-tariffs-canada-trade-war/
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PlutoWasHere
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posted March 11, 2025 01:54 PM
Economists warned this would happen. This isn’t fear mongering, this is how the economy works. They’ve started calling it a “Trumpcession” because it’s a recession classed solely by his policies. http://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/mar/10/risk-of-trumpcession-rising-economists-say-as-global-markets-fall-donald-trump
http://www.npr.org/2025/03/11/nx-s1-5323098/trump-economy-uncertainty-tariffs-confidence IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted March 11, 2025 02:47 PM
Left-leaning news sources and "economists" have never gotten anything right. This drop in the markets is solely due to "uncertainty." There will be a rebound once Canada and Mexico agree to police their borders from fentanyl. And I'm sure that you agree with reciprocal tariffs, right? If not, why not? Meaning that what we are charged, we will match, probably lowering the tariffs on both sides and also lowering prices. When President Trump put tariffs on steel in his first term, those "economists" claimed that toasters would cost $500! The price of steel went up for three months and then tumbled. IP: Logged |
PlutoWasHere
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posted March 11, 2025 05:22 PM
Are you now claiming that Canada started with raising the tariffs? That this is just Trump responding to Canada? That Trump did nothing to provoke Canada’s anger? That it’s completely normal and justified to claim a sovereign country should be annexed? You can’t be serious. Also claiming that it’s “indoctrinated” “left wing” economists but not going into the actual economic theory is a way to disqualify everything. Vaccines? People are indoctrinated and left wing! Gay marriage? People are indoctrinated and left wing! Russia invaded Ukraine? People are indoctrinated and left wing! The earth isn’t flat? People are indoctrinated and left wing! What a great way to have an actual discussion. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted March 11, 2025 05:45 PM
No, I did not say that. I said we are having a drug war with Canada. I asked you about reciprocal tariffs. They don't begin until April 2. Do you have a problem with them? Answer the question. Indoctrination is a pervasive problem when it actually being used as a political weapon. That doesn't mean you can just apply it to every absurd thing that one could mention. And what is this regular economic theory? If it fails, it is not theory at all. The bottom line is that economists have been completely wrong about a lot of things with President Trump. Why do you suppose that is? The tariffs in his first administration didn't cause inflation. In fact, he had record lows of inflation. Whereas, Biden did cause a precipitous rise in inflation. And with President Trump, it's not inflation when you can choose what to buy. The goal is to bring back manufacturing, medicine, steel, shipbuilding, and everything else in industry to the U.S., where they will face no tariffs and a 15% corporate tax on retained profits. Make Everything in America Again! MEAA  IP: Logged |
PlutoWasHere
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posted March 12, 2025 12:16 PM
You can't make everything in America. You don't have the raw materials, or the machines, or the labor to do it. This is why trade exists in the first place. Basic economy knowledge, Randall, check Ricardian trade theory. Thinking you don't need anybody else, is going to wreck your economy. It will create serious scarcity, and it will make your country weak, not strong. IP: Logged |
PlutoWasHere
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posted March 12, 2025 12:30 PM
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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
Are you now claiming that Canada started with raising the tariffs? That this is just Trump responding to Canada? That Trump did nothing to provoke Canada’s anger? That it’s completely normal and justified to claim a sovereign country should be annexed? You can’t be serious. Also claiming that it’s “indoctrinated” “left wing” economists but not going into the actual economic theory is a way to disqualify everything. Vaccines? People are indoctrinated and left wing! Gay marriage? People are indoctrinated and left wing! Russia invaded Ukraine? People are indoctrinated and left wing! The earth isn’t flat? People are indoctrinated and left wing! What a great way to have an actual discussion.
Just 0,2% of the seized fentanyl at borders comes from Canada. That is not a justification for the tariffs. What Trump really wants is to weaken the Canadian economy and pressure them into joining the U.S. He claimed many times that Canada should become the 51st state. Canada has a lot of the raw materials that the U.S. needs for farming, manufacturing and building houses (potash, aluminium and hardwood). Fentanyl is a red herring. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted March 12, 2025 03:07 PM
He doesn’t really want Canada to become a state. That was trolling Trudeau. I don’t literally mean everything will be made here. But manufacturing will return. Stull no reply on reciprocal tariffs? And we are going to be stronger than ever before. I think you are more terrified of President Trump’s success than you are of his failure.  IP: Logged |
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