posted March 28, 2025 12:05 AM            

Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney officially broke things off with the United States Thursday, marking a seismic shift in relations between the longtime allies.

“The old relationship we had with the United States based on deepening integration of our economies and tight security and military cooperation is over,” Carney said during a press conference, following a meeting in Ottawa with his ministers to “discuss trade options” in response to Donald Trump’s “permanent” 25 percent tariffs on all imported vehicles and auto parts.

“What exactly the United States does next is unclear, but what is clear, what is clear is that we as Canadians have agency. We have power. We are masters in our own home,” Carney said.

“We can control our destiny. We can give ourselves much more than any foreign government, including the United States, can ever take away. We can deal with this crisis best by building our own strength right here at home.”

Carney warned that Canada, which is currently one of the top importers of U.S. goods, would need to reshape its economy to wean itself off its southern neighbor.

“We will need to dramatically reduce our reliance on the United States. We will need to pivot our trade relationships elsewhere. And we will need to do things previously thought impossible at speeds we haven’t seen in generations,” Carney said.

On Wednesday, Carney called the latest round of tariffs a “very direct attack.”

“We will defend our workers. We will defend our companies. We will defend our country,” he said at the time.

Back stateside, the Big Three automakers took an immediate hit Thursday as the market digested Trump’s tariff announcement, with new tariffs on vehicles expected to go into effect on April 3 and on vehicle parts one month later.

posted March 30, 2025 11:08 AM            

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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
This fall out with Canada and Europe is all planned. Trump will continue until he can claim his only option is to become allies with Russia. We’re heading for WW3 because of what Trump is doing. The U.S. is threatening to invade Canada and Greenland, while signaling they would allow Russia to take over parts of Europe. This is an insane timeline.

JD Vance has connections with people involved with Pracis Nation. This is a technocrate ideology that views a monarchy as a better outcome than democracy. It also has an obsession with Greenland and is linked to Nazi philisophical concepts. These people are completely bonkers. They have no regard for human rights. Their view for the future is absolutely dystopian.

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arguably given the growing influence of russia and china over the world alongside the growing shift in the tides of things this wouldn't necessarily be a bad move from various standpoints.if you take a step back and consider the weight of being an enemy or an ally to various countries this isn't necessarily unreasonable. devoid of any personal feelings, it'd be an intriguing and understandable move.

posted March 30, 2025 01:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
This guy is blowing smoke

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Not quite.

Carney worked as the Governor of Bank of England and multiple economic forums in Europe, he easily has the connections to form new trading partners.

This is why the first few weeks as the new PM he spent it in France and the UK, reaffirming his previous partnerships.

Trump knows this, this is why he threatened more tariffs if we realign with Europe.
http://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/27/world/europe/trump-tariff-threat-canada-eu.html

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Originally posted by Randall:
Canada cannot win a tariff war with the U.S.

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The premise when the Canada–United States Free Trade Agreement (CUSFTA) on January 2, 1988 with then President H.W Bush and PM Brian Mulroney was US needed lots of resources from a stable country and at a good price.

Equally Canada was facing the delima that we have resources, no issues finding customers, the problem is both Oceans prevented the transportation of trade with Europe and other parts of the world.

Off topic both were good friends Mulroney delivered Bush's Euology at his fueral. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw913EF9nbw

In fact Germany approached Canada in 2022 at the start of the Invasion of Ukraine trying to buy Natural Gas because Russia and Nord Stream wasn't a viable option anymore.

Selling to Europe is no issues for us, the Europeans can only source resources from Russia or Africa, and the Africans don't like Europe because of the historical colonization of Africa.

The issue has always been to build a national pipeline and improve the transportation infrastructure.

So resources can be shiped from Halifax to Europe or Vancouver to Asia.

Quebec has always been against this and the prior CUSFTA agreement didn't help very much to get the ball rolling, most Quebecois are supportive of it now. And Carney will push for it once he's elected fully as PM, instead of as a caretaker PM.

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Originally posted by Randall:
Canada cannot win a tariff war with the U.S.

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Tariffs will only make prices expensive for everyone.

The biggest argument is that what Americans don't understand is if prices go up just by $15 the Average American will be fuming. Canadians will get upset and be disappointed, then reason it out.

Canadians have a higher tolerance for higher prices and price celling then Americans.

The strategy here, is just to wait for the Average American to start fuming when things get expensive.

The average Canadian will get upset, has already made adjustments or will accepted the prices. Americans will take up arms over this.

Off topic I'm doing my income taxes, I will be paying $20k in income taxes.

My professional title is software developer, I'm not a 1%, but on higher scale of income earners in Canada.

I'm disappointed but then reflet on when my grandma was getting cancer treatments, my relatives from California flew in to vist and said her treatments would have already cost $40k in the US and onwards.

So I reasoned it out. Americans don't reason like this.

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Originally posted by Randall:
Canada cannot win a tariff war with the U.S.

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The only area that needs heavy defense is the Arctic. it's cold and barren. The Inuit that have lived there for centuries and their tough. No one can survivor there without supplies for longer then a few months.

If this is about the supposed border only 43lbs of fental was seized from the Canada border the rest is coming from Mexico. Yet 88% of all the illegal guns entering into Canada are coming from the US.

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posted March 30, 2025 02:08 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
This fall out with Canada and Europe is all planned. Trump will continue until he can claim his only option is to become allies with Russia. We’re heading for WW3 because of what Trump is doing. The U.S. is threatening to invade Canada and Greenland, while signaling they would allow Russia to take over parts of Europe. This is an insane timeline.

JD Vance has connections with people involved with Pracis Nation. This is a technocrate ideology that views a monarchy as a better outcome than democracy. It also has an obsession with Greenland and is linked to Nazi philisophical concepts. These people are completely bonkers. They have no regard for human rights. Their view for the future is absolutely dystopian.

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Militarily whouldn't be an issue.
Pacification would be.

When Trump says Canada as a 51st state, if one is too assume he means it in a nice way as a complement.

Then he's under the typical American perspective that were an American Jr, which isn't correct.

I'm an Ontarian, so my perspective is as an Ontarian.

I don't think the US would want to pacify and incorporate a population that votes politically towards the center and is similarly to California.

Then lives day to day similar to the Great Lakes States.

Incorporating a population like that would alter the US political landscape.

I use to deal with a lot of Western Ontarians, there a lot like Michiganders

Plus I keep an eye out at my parents retirement farm in rural Ontario. I'm use to -20/Deg 4 Fahrenheit temperature.

I actually like Winter weather more then Summer weather.

I doubt the average Americans whould want to deal with and live the harsh cold.

posted March 30, 2025 02:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
arguably given the growing influence of russia and china over the world alongside the growing shift in the tides of things this wouldn't necessarily be a bad move from various standpoints.if you take a step back and consider the weight of being an enemy or an ally to various countries this isn't necessarily unreasonable. devoid of any personal feelings, it'd be an intriguing and understandable move.

also the whole ww3 thing, things have been heading in that direction for a very long time, this current acceleration is playing out in this fashion sure, but it's naive to think this was something avoidable because it's been in motion beyond a tipping point for some time now.

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I take the opinion of what the Germans say. if the US wants to pull out and abandon NATO that's fine. How's that a bad thing?

Europe and it's abandoned NATO allies can deal with the 144 million Russians.

When the US is faced with a direct conflict with China over global supremacy and it's 1.4 billion population, we won't get dragged into it. That's Americas problem now.

posted March 30, 2025 02:59 PM            

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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
I take the opinion of what the Germans say. if the US wants to pull out and abandon NATO that's fine. How's that a bad thing?

Europe and it's abandoned NATO allies can deal with the 144 million Russians.

When the US is faced with a direct conflict with China over global supremacy and it's 1.4 billion population, we won't get dragged into it. That's Americas problem now.

China is laughing all the way to bank with this.

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i'm only speaking on the hypothetical "if the us allied with russia and china" situation they brought up. in that sort of future where it was a) feasible and b) had strategic value it would be an interesting move. is it currently a viable option? no doesn't appear to be. is what trump is currently doing risky? absolutely. is it a guaranteed failure? no. does it open up alternate possibilities? yes.

in the event that there was some issue with america being invaded turning a blind eye out of spite would be a strategic loss at any rate, surely you know that. the ukraine isn't a part of nato, but involvement is still there, why do you think that is? because the ukraine is good and full of allies? no it's because it would be a strategic loss if you're against russia to allow russia to expand with no issue. the reality is the more ground you let an enemy gain the more precarious your own position becomes as they gain more resources and better positions. there would be no room for "oh well you did this to yourselves not our problem" when it comes to warfare and the scale of things. it would be outright senseless in fact to let that go unchecked in that event.

you're also disregarding several crucial things like the fact that the us isn't void of military power that could provide leverage (particularly in a situation like what was outlined by whoever i responded to initially where there is no "going against" but rather actively aligning with through a shift in loyalty) in a situation where alliances were necessary. the current state of things may have existed for quite some time, but power isn't static and things have been slowly shifting and becoming destabilized across the world. the landscape and climate aren't what they were.

is america likely in for major upheaval? yes, but how things look when all is said and done is something else entirely. as it stands there's not just one way for it to go.

that being said their hypothetical situation is far more likely than yours where people spitefully and willfully turning a blind eye when their enemy is in a position to gain ground and leverage and isn't going to just stop and go "thanks for giving us america now we can have peace" escalation would be likely and no one wants to give their enemies ground to stand on and resources, especially not an aggressive enemy.

posted March 30, 2025 06:50 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Going by MAGA logic, it seems like Trump bent the knee to Canada’s new Prime Minister.

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I was going to mention this earlier, Trump likes and respects Carney. He didn't have any respect for former PM Trudeau because Trudeau never accomplished much outside of politics.

For starters, Brookfield Assets a company Carney managed, he resigned to run as PM.

Bailed out Trumps Son-in-law Jared Kushner's money losing 666 Fifth Avenue.
http://financialpost.com/financial-tim es/inside-brookfields-empire-a-complicated-jigsaw-of-500-billion-in-assets-spread-across-the-world

Mark Carney is no slouch.

His resume includes goldman sachs and all the heavy hitting financial firms in the US.

He's the only person in history to have been the Bank Governor of two countries.

As a rockstar Economist now PM, here's what going to happen on both sides of the border.

I have no doubt that Carney as Prime Minister knows how to talk to Trump in a way that
fulfills Trumps political needs, he's also aware of US domestic economic issues.

MAGA will ring Trump's neck when he fails to deliver, and his global tariff plan backfires.

After the so called "constructive first call" between both leaders the joke up here is.

Carney must have talked to Trump like a patient parent trying to calm down an angry 2yrs old on a tantrum, lol.

posted March 31, 2025 05:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Biden pushed us to the near brink of WWIII. President Trump will keep us out of a world war.

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posted March 31, 2025 05:13 AM            

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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
Militarily whouldn't be an issue.
Pacification would be.

When Trump says Canada as a 51st state, if one is too assume he means it in a nice way as a complement.

Then he's under the typical American perspective that were an American Jr, which isn't correct.

I'm an Ontarian, so my perspective is as an Ontarian.

I don't think the US would want to pacify and incorporate a population that votes politically towards the center and is similarly to California.

Then lives day to day similar to the Great Lakes States.

Incorporating a population like that would alter the US political landscape.

I use to deal with a lot of Western Ontarians, there a lot like Michiganders

Plus I keep an eye out at my parents retirement farm in rural Ontario. I'm use to -20/Deg 4 Fahrenheit temperature.

I actually like Winter weather more then Summer weather.

I doubt the average Americans whould want to deal with and live the harsh cold.

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I don’t think you would be given a vote. They will find a way to make it impossible for people to vote on anyone else but the Republican candidate. ICE is already looking through people’s phones and denying people who criticize Trump entry. Recently a French researcher was refused entry to the U.S.