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Topic: silence rhymes with violence
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Ami Anne
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posted January 05, 2011 03:48 AM
  
Well, the answer to that is Yes and No .
*I* do it by myself so Yes.
However,you need other people with whom to interact.
The "no man is an island" applies ,here lol------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted January 05, 2011 03:49 AM
I will come back and write more, tomorrow.
I realize that I DID make my own Primal therapy program.
I devised it in my own way and it IS working.
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BearsArcher
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posted January 05, 2011 04:57 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Janov pulled people's defenses off in a violent way.
He would not let them sleep or have any distractions such as TV,radio, etc.
Then,he taunted them with the VERY thing they tried to defend against.
If a person was afraid he was a homosexual,Janov taunted him with this.
That is called 'Torture" and even our own Military cannot use that against people. I find it ironic that we called Janov's approach a "war crime" when the Military does it but a sound "psychological" approach when done in a mental health setting. One must also keep in mind that Janov's theories have not been scientifically proven and also were discredited in the late 70's / early 80's. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted January 05, 2011 06:16 AM
You mixed up Milgrim and Janov.
The Military does not fit in with either of the above men.
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Ami Anne
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posted January 05, 2011 08:10 AM
I am gonna come back and write about my program for emotional health.
I am getting emotional health.
These are my experiences and my formulations,only.
They are not proven scientifically  ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted January 05, 2011 10:34 AM
A child is true to himself.If he is angry,he shows anger.
If he is afraid,he shows fear.
If he needs a hug,he asks for one,on and on.------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted January 05, 2011 10:37 AM
An animal,of course,is the same way.It feels it's emotions .It expresses them directly. This could be called the "true" state of the individual. ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted January 05, 2011 10:42 AM
I can't speak for everyone,of course,but most people were interfered with my people WHO were interfered with.
Most people were told things LIKE "Big boys don't cry", "Girls should not be sexual","It is selfish to want things for yourself"and "Nice people are not angry/jealous/mean/petty etc etc. These are just examples of course to show how the child's true nature becomes "defiled" by social "norms". ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted January 05, 2011 10:45 AM
I can only speak for myself,for sure,but I bet everyone was interfered with to some degree.
I think the degree is the big issue.
I think *I* was interfered with to a large degree.
I managed to keep my sanity enough not to be in a mental institution so I was not interfered with as much as some other people.
Also,I had people who loved me.There are degrees of HOW much someone is interfered with.
There are mitigating factors such as if someone is loved in a healthy way by someone else.
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Ami Anne
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posted January 05, 2011 10:47 AM
This is just to set the stage for where I am going with distortions i.e.HOW one goes from a true state to a horribly painful ,distorted/deformed one .------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted January 05, 2011 11:29 AM
I have two goals in life which I will share and then I will leave this,for the moment.
I want to be emotionally healthy.I have a clear sense of what that entails.
I have been here so I am returning to a place I know rather than having to forge an entirely new place.
I am fortunate in that.
People with earlier and more traumatic abuse never knew what it was LIKE to have a self.------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted January 05, 2011 11:31 AM
Emotional health,to me, is going back to that "true" state as much as you can,as an adult.
By that,I mean feeling what you are feeling,accepting it,and being able to direct it where it needs to go. That would be a simple definition of emotional health,to me. ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted January 05, 2011 11:32 AM
My other goal is to remove EXCESS shame.
We ,all, will have shame. You need shame in order to be a social creature.
However,when it gets excessive,it becomes toxic like cancer.
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Ami Anne
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posted January 05, 2011 11:38 AM
When it becomes excessive,you go in to hiding mode : your TRUE self does. You build a false self which is all shiny.It cannot be penetrated in an emotionally real way.
You are locked in. Others are locked out.
Many people stay forever locked inside.
Perhaps,most people do.
I don't know about that.I ,only,know me.
I want to dig out of the shame even if it is a teaspoon at a time.
That is my second goal.
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BearsArcher
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posted January 05, 2011 12:22 PM
Nope Ami, I am quite clear on Janov and I am not mixing him with Milgrim but I can see how that mistake could be made. I am very curious about your take because of your extensive background in psych. I find the realm of psychology to be very facinating, even if I don't subscribe to many of the tenents because of scientific issues. However, I do believe that neuroscience and psychology work well in helping so many people. ETA... actually, maybe it can be discussed in a different thread. I don't want to take anything away from this thread. What Tink has shared is too important to me and others and I really want to keep it as she intended. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted January 05, 2011 01:18 PM
Yes
Please do not take anything away from this thread.------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted January 05, 2011 01:18 PM
Yes
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Ami Anne
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posted January 05, 2011 02:01 PM
Anyway,Fatinkerbel
That encompasses the problem, as far as I see it.
The solution would be to undo the problem the way you would unwind a ball of yarn which was tangled.
It IS easy ,in theory,but hard in practice and,most especially,very painful ------------------
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fatinkerbel
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posted January 05, 2011 05:33 PM
Ami your insights are enormously useful to me. Bears Archer please feel free to post anything on this thread that you like. I feel strongly that the book I wrote which hopefully one day in the future WILL be published and publically discussed should be useful to people. I mean there is so much we don't understand yet about the human condition so I want my story to be a contribution to that and to encourage other people to also break silence more and more so actually you can write about anything you like ...
Anyways Ami Ann yesterday something really weird happened. I guess it can't be a coincidence! So for a long time I've been sometimes trying to delve into my childhood memories and one thing I've been trying to find on the internet was my favorite (well one of my favorite) TV programs as a child. It was in Afrikaans and just yesterday I found it and saw it again for the first time in more than thirty years. There were also some other related programs which I looked at and it was like the past fell on me like an avalanche. I was really shaken. I've decided to let it be just for now ... I feel like I've found the key to a room and I've opened the door but I don't have the courage yet to go in and explore. The thing about being a child is that things are so SCARY!!!! I think that's a weird thing... these days I'm scared of everything but when I was a child I was scared in a 'nicer' but more intense way ... I mean like scared of the dark, scared of ghosts and so on. ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted January 05, 2011 05:49 PM
I WISH you were in the US so I could call you,Fatinkerbel.
We need others to help us.I believe you will find people.
For now, you are making good associations.
That is the FIRST step 
We can support each other ,right here, and that is a good start,anyway.
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Ami Anne
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posted January 05, 2011 05:50 PM
Dear Bears Archer
*I* have no desire to debate any of my theories or ANY theories as to whether they are scientific.
I have no interest,whatsoever in that.
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fatinkerbel
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posted January 05, 2011 05:57 PM
Sometimes I wish I was in the US too! I think in my most recent past life I must have been American : D Or maybe it's just watching so many TV shows and films set in the US that makes it feel like 'home' in a way. Dunno ... weird.
I also hate debating 'scientific' theories. In general everything can be discounted and only paradoxes are true ...
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Ami Anne
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posted January 05, 2011 06:04 PM
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I also hate debating 'scientific' theories. In general everything can be discounted and only paradoxes are true ..
Yes,Suh (a variation of Bruh) ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted January 05, 2011 06:10 PM
Well, Fatinkerbel
This is the biggest impediment to change--one word---PAIN.
I put together theories from books and conferences.
I made my own program.
God had a huge hand in it cuz God provided people who made it possible.
Without these few,very special people I could not have changed up to date and still be changing.
These people were gifts--pure and simple.------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted January 05, 2011 06:13 PM
My biggest impetus for change was not being able to BEAR being numb any more.
I had a tragedy in my life which shook me out of my numb state and made me willing to turn my life upside down cuz of the sheer magnitude of the tragedy--my son died.
I went from a Suburban Mom to someone in a world where nothing made sense.
Why follow the old rules when the life that was based on them went up like cheap kindling in a bon fire.------------------
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