posted August 27, 2011 11:28 AM            

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Originally posted by rajji:
It dosent matter anymore.
You too have a Nice Day Lexx.

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posted August 27, 2011 12:38 PM            

I apparently misunderstood the purpose of this thread and my input was likely unwanted. I really honestly don't care what other people do in their lives if they are happy... Though I am sometimes curious about it. I was just throwing in my own life experiences.

posted August 27, 2011 12:49 PM            

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Originally posted by rajji:
It doesn't matter anymore.

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I'm sorry you are having a hard time, oh and I hope you didn't think my joking around in other threads was to make fun of your beliefs.

I myself have come across far too many simply waiting for any opening to knock a person down, It lifts the monkey off that persons back for a small period of time.

Its like a social plague.

posted August 27, 2011 06:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I think you are on the path that I was on and am still on--the path to self definition irrespective of outside opinion.
I have made a few steps in that direction but have many more.

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"Universes are created; reach their extreme low point of materiality; and then begin in their upward swing. Suns spring into being, and then their height of power being reached, the process of retrogression begins, and after aeons they become dead masses of matter, awaiting another impulse which starts again their inner energies into activity and a new solar life cycle is begun. And thus it is with all the worlds; they are born, grow and die; only to be reborn. And thus it is with all the things of shape and form; they swing from action to reaction; from birth to death; from activity to inactivity--and then back again. Thus it is with all living things; they are born, grow, and die--and then are reborn. So it is with all great movements, philosophies, creeds, fashions, governments, nations, and all else-birth, growth, maturity, decadence, death-and then new-birth."

"The swing of the pendulum is ever in evidence."

posted August 27, 2011 11:24 PM            

I think sometimes we read too much into others' post with our own thinking/experiences in the background. If at such times we give it a calm thought all these misunderstandings wouldnt occur and the discussion on the thread would move beautifully in connection with the topic and help all of us learn a thing or two. So many persons all over the world are practicing so many different paths which lead to the same goal. So if we get a peep in some practices/styles different to ours isn't that interesting? Atleast i find them to be so when i read others' threads here on this forum where so often i don't agree at all or wouldn't even dream of living in that fasion but then i refrain from commenting adversely and enjoy the topic which is so diagnolly opposite. Gives me a peep into other colours of the rainbow.

posted August 28, 2011 01:50 AM            

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rajji
Please read my latest post there.
I can see why you are upset but can also see why folks felt you were looking down your nose at them if they are sexually active.
Some of your remarks here even on this thread do imply a big disdain for sexually active folks.
Sorry, but it does read that way.

PS.
I AM CELIBATE!
I have been so by choice and circumstance for some time, years in fact.
I could have lovers if I chose to but am waiting for the person I love and who loves me.
I felt very uncomfortable posting on your thread even though I am celibate by mostly choice for years to date.

The fact that I have been an actively sexual person before (not only solo)
and intend to be so again;
well some things you posted did feel insulting and holier than thou.
I feel that was what made some folks post as they did.
Lots of uncomfortable feelings coming from both sides.
I know it was not your intention to be seen as insulting and nor was it theirs to be perceived as insulting either.
I speak as a person who has been on both sides of the sexuality spectrum having much personal experience in both extremes.

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posted August 28, 2011 01:51 AM            

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Randall
I would like to see the thread stay open even though I do not agree with rajji completely on the issue of the reasons for celibacy.

I have much experience in both celibacy and all the sexual ranges betwixt it and extreme sexuality as I mentioned in post here on page 1, and at Sweet Peas.
I do have a long reply I want to post.
I am hoping it will help, or at least illustrate why I think as I do and am not against celibacy, only that it is not for everyone and does not make one automatically more spiritually evolved,
nor is intense sexuality automatically a negative.

I am celibate but not anti-sexual and have been for some time.
That does not make me better or more advanced than when I am not celibate.

OK rant over, but really would like to see the thread remain open.

PS.
Oh yes, another thing,
and not only on that thread;
I have seen some folks go off in extreme support all kissy and hearts,
and others being perceived as insulting,
WITHOUT READING ENTIRE THREAD!
I ask that folks
PLEASE READ ALL
on any thread before posting your opinions!

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posted August 28, 2011 02:02 AM            

However I can see how it can be a touchy subject for folks from both sides of the spectrum and all shades in between.
It is not easy to discuss issues which are in conflict with core beliefs of the two views.
This topic is of that nature.
Hopefully civility can be maintained.

I am posting mainly based on my personal experiences.

PS.
I hope to have my longer reply finished soon.
My computer glitched whilst working on it.

posted August 28, 2011 06:57 AM            

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Originally posted by bunnies:
...........The realisation has come that I am not actually looking for anything.

Thanks for your posts rajji. You're a cool individual and they are a pleasure to read

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posted August 28, 2011 08:47 AM            

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Originally posted by abcd efg:
I think the topic IS about sex in connection with spiritual practice (and the high dangers on this road). That is ONE way practised by many ppl who want to make a fast spiritual progress. And this happens all over the world. So how does connecting the two could be senseless? Secondly, terms like 'higher' or ' more evolved' are used to express in words the progress. I didn't notice anyone using superior though. So what could be egoistical about that. Some terminology has to be used for expressing the evoluton/progress made. When we follow a path we obviously check on where we have reached or achieved after practicing what is required on that particular path. So what is wrong about discussing evolution on that path? And how does discussing these as study or experiences hurt someone's ego?

I think sometimes we read too much into others' post with our own thinking/experiences in the background. If at such times we give it a calm thought all these misunderstandings wouldnt occur and the discussion on the thread would move beautifully in connection with the topic and help all of us learn a thing or two. So many persons all over the world are practicing so many different paths which lead to the same goal. So if we get a peep in some practices/styles different to ours isn't that interesting? Atleast i find them to be so when i read others' threads here on this forum where so often i don't agree at all or wouldn't even dream of living in that fasion but then i refrain from commenting adversely and enjoy the topic which is so diagnolly opposite. Gives me a peep into other colours of the rainbow.

Edit: And yes this track is a fast one to enlightenment. Whether people like it or not. Facts are not based on anyone's personal beliefs or likes/dislikes. Is rejecting something outright just because one is not aware of it or doesn't want to be, open minded? If someone needs to affirm its credibility all that he/she has to do is read on various books in this connection and/or discuss with those who have gone through it. HOWEVER, IT IS FRAUGHT WITH DANGERS AND SUSCEPTIBLE TO FAST DOWNFALLS AS WELL. Like any other fast track races. So, I think the Road is indeed less travelled because of this and even discouraged in spiritual circles. Generally gurus dont advise this. They go for the normal one i.e. a householder's life with a job etc and some spiritual path like chanting HIS name or praying.

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Your opinion on what constitutes a fast track to enlightenment is just that - an opinion.

Terminology is of the utmost importance and I personally think that some people don't read into things anywhere near enough. And how exactly does one leave out their own thinking and experience? WHY should I leave out my experience and learning when I'm reading through something?

The use of words like higher and more evolved are used to deliberately sell the "product" and phrases like "fast track" are used to imply that we can get there quicker than those who don't want to follow that particular path. The psychology of language and the abuse of certain words are well documented and have been for a long time. Spiritual literature is absolutely riddled with opinion and relies heavily on words where the individual has no choice but to inject their own meaning because by itself the word doesn't really mean anything or it could mean a myriad of things.

Oh and the word superior was on page 1(I can't highlight)
"And pixie Jane yes it definitely is superior to Tantra."

Why should someone refrain from commenting if they disagree? Why does it mean that someone is being narrow minded if they don't agree with what is being posted?

If someone has a view whether it's "for" or "against", they have an opinion on the subject and obviously care enough to want that opinion heard. If I see a flaw in some sort of "system" I'm gonna point it out. I enjoy exposing hierarchical ways of thinking - especially my own

If someone wants to see what they can get from celibacy then that is fine, I just don't see why it has to be held up like a trophy. If someone sits there telling the world about how much more wonderful they are for following a particular practice then I know they are using it to fuel their own self importance....nothing spiritual in that! It was clear from a lot of what got posted that it was believed celibacy put you on a higher rung of the ladder than the mere mortals of humanity. Sex was classed as a "base" level function, that's slightly offensive considering it's what keeps humanity in existence.

However if someone wants to talk about how they're actually feeling and the real benefits that they've received as an individual then I'm all ears and in full support.

posted August 28, 2011 09:13 AM            

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Originally posted by abcd efg:
Hi, Ami Anne! Good Morning. So early and you are already up. Great. I am a lazy bum. I get up late. Around 6.30. Now its almost evening here.

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I let my Yorkie out in the middle of the night

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Do You Think This Psychic Is Cute?

posted August 28, 2011 10:42 AM            

I asked which single man (under 50) could recognize himself in my words.

I got 3 replies and guess what.. All of them a Scorpio!! (can't be a coincidence with my Scorp-Moon ) and yea.. I was really glad with that hihi..

Lol it was a sort of drop-out-race the last few days and now there's ONE I have an immense mental click with ..

posted August 28, 2011 11:04 AM            

I hope to always love it, and if I don't, will seek reasons within and without, to enjoy it again.
I don't just love the sex act, I love pleasure- and the sharing of it.
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Pixie...I love that too!
But it is nothing more than a mere affirmation for me...I would not fool myself by such an affirmation coz I want to experience beyond that.I would not confine myself to this Physical Realm alone, I want to experience The Astral Realms as well!
It's a tedious process, but all good things come with a price.
The choice is yours.
Tantric Sex and Tantric Celibacy is the Key to the Doors of Heaven ;-)

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When you said "The choice is yours", you implied you had given me all these tools and I still chose the sexual path.
You're not giving me any cred. I am not saying your path isn't right for you, clearly it is, and clearly you are passionate about it. I offered an alternative view. The view I have from here. I did it diplomatically, but with humour.
I do things with humour. It is ME. I can say "this is my view" because sometimes my view will change, the thing I will never be is intentionally mean, but I will be intentionally fun/impish/goofy. I will always try to lighten the scene.

I know perspective here has shifted a wee bit, but I assure you I am not someone who prompted you need to open two separate threads based on my benign actions. Can't take a joke? Ask someone to explain it to you...I don't joke to diminish you, I do it as a support/defense/relationship tool. I can change many things, but not that.
So yeah- when i mention having an orgasm over there, I wonder why in the world that would offend you and prompt you to post again and again about it?
The words mountain out of a molehill seem apt... or intention versus perception.
I can only come to the conclusion that you lumped me in a certain category based on perception and that is now where I am.
I have been here since 2003. If I was that terrible and had nothing of value to add, I assure you, I wouldn't be feeling hurt over the destruction of a LOT of social aspects and beloved knowflakes I adored over the years. To be continuously made to defend oneself is mighty tiresome.

This thread got off topic, and i was about to drag it down even further...

Your way is not my way. Cool beans. I can live with that. I never said or implied "I am cooler because I liken sex to a spiritual plane, and other than that it feels real-goodlike, therefore won't pursue a life of celibacy, but that doesn't make me a stranger to spirituality, or any of those supposed physical reactions upon the event of sexual release, which I suspect to the author comes from a place of generalization to further his word as fact."

posted August 28, 2011 12:23 PM            

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Originally posted by dysfunctionalmystic:
Your opinion on what constitutes a fast track to enlightenment is just that - an opinion

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Terminology is of the utmost importance and I personally think that some people don't read into things anywhere near enough. And how exactly does one leave out their own thinking and experience? WHY should I leave out my experience and learning when I'm reading through something?

The use of words like higher and more evolved are used to deliberately sell the "product" and phrases like "fast track" are used to imply that we can get there quicker than those who don't want to follow that particular path. The psychology of language and the abuse of certain words are well documented and have been for a long time. Spiritual literature is absolutely riddled with opinion and relies heavily on words where the individual has no choice but to inject their own meaning because by itself the word doesn't really mean anything or it could mean a myriad of things.

Oh and the word superior was on page 1(I can't highlight)
"And pixie Jane yes it definitely is superior to Tantra."[/QUOTE]

There are a lot of techniques. And people are actually practicing them. And when you know first hand that its being done and one way is used as a faster lane than others or if one technique or path is found superior (better/easier/faster) to others there is no question of denying it. People follow and practice it. How does that relate to some persons being superior or inferior to others?

Why should someone refrain from commenting if they disagree? Why does it mean that someone is being narrow minded if they don't agree with what is being posted?

If someone has a view whether it's "for" or "against", they have an opinion on the subject and obviously care enough to want that opinion heard. If I see a flaw in some sort of "system" I'm gonna point it out. I enjoy exposing hierarchical ways of thinking - especially my own [/QUOTE]

Every one is most welcome. In fact its healthy to have difference in views and experiences but that does not mean that the majority has to come down heavily on the minority (i am saying maj and min with respect to a topic or opinion) like ton of bricks or start jesting and put them off. And you will agree with me, if you think objectively, that anywhere majority will find sex to be great and celibacy/asexuality is sneared at. Do you want the same thing to happen here and make them disappear (in the sense keep quite or feel shy)or not start the topic at all?
And flaws, heirarchy etc come in systems and persons involved with ego. But i know of persons who ACTUALLY practice all this and i have even read books by enlightened ppl and giants in this field (and not honky ponkys) who have endorsed them that is these techniques. Out of their own experience they have written/talked of some processes being better (superior) to others BUT having their own pitfalls. Hence the caution.

If someone wants to see what they can get from celibacy then that is fine, I just don't see why it has to be held up like a trophy. If someone sits there telling the world about how much more wonderful they are for following a particular practice then I know they are using it to fuel their own self importance....nothing spiritual in that! It was clear from a lot of what got posted that it was believed celibacy put you on a higher rung of the ladder than the mere mortals of humanity. Sex was classed as a "base" level function, that's slightly offensive considering it's what keeps humanity in existence.[/QUOTE]

This is so but in relation to ones own progress. These are spiritual milestones and one person has to cross all these milestones. Like grade 1 to 10. Then why should that offend others? Does it mean that a grade 10 student is superior to grade 4? Or does it mean he/she has progressed to that level? Even a 4 grade is going to reach to 10 one day? So does that make him inferior?

However if someone wants to talk about how they're actually feeling and the real benefits that they've received as an individual then I'm all ears and in full support.

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posted August 28, 2011 01:24 PM            

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Originally posted by dysfunctionalmystic:
Your opinion on what constitutes a fast track to enlightenment is just that - an opinion.

Terminology is of the utmost importance and I personally think that some people don't read into things anywhere near enough. And how exactly does one leave out their own thinking and experience? WHY should I leave out my experience and learning when I'm reading through something?

The use of words like higher and more evolved are used to deliberately sell the "product" and phrases like "fast track" are used to imply that we can get there quicker than those who don't want to follow that particular path. The psychology of language and the abuse of certain words are well documented and have been for a long time. Spiritual literature is absolutely riddled with opinion and relies heavily on words where the individual has no choice but to inject their own meaning because by itself the word doesn't really mean anything or it could mean a myriad of things.

Oh and the word superior was on page 1(I can't highlight)
"And pixie Jane yes it definitely is superior to Tantra."

Why should someone refrain from commenting if they disagree? Why does it mean that someone is being narrow minded if they don't agree with what is being posted?

If someone has a view whether it's "for" or "against", they have an opinion on the subject and obviously care enough to want that opinion heard. If I see a flaw in some sort of "system" I'm gonna point it out. I enjoy exposing hierarchical ways of thinking - especially my own

If someone wants to see what they can get from celibacy then that is fine, I just don't see why it has to be held up like a trophy. If someone sits there telling the world about how much more wonderful they are for following a particular practice then I know they are using it to fuel their own self importance....nothing spiritual in that! It was clear from a lot of what got posted that it was believed celibacy put you on a higher rung of the ladder than the mere mortals of humanity. Sex was classed as a "base" level function, that's slightly offensive considering it's what keeps humanity in existence.

However if someone wants to talk about how they're actually feeling and the real benefits that they've received as an individual then I'm all ears and in full support.

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