posted June 30, 2016 04:57 AM            

I want to have a small house built and looking at all of these regulations regarding land size is near driving me nuts.

posted June 30, 2016 02:35 PM            

Perfectionism? Wha? who me??? Virgo moon analytical careful ME??? Cancer Stellium, Gemmy Sun, SNGemmy Mercury, conjunct Mars Cancer....?? always weighing my speech, careful careful-- not wanting to insult, yet can that really be helped sometimes!!! ... Sagi Ascendant (puts the foot in MMMMM. Soul wanting to incorporate the higher, as well as the lower! and find the spaces in-between??? early Libra MC, with Neptune late trine the Merc-Mars.

I LOVED that convo last page!! ... I always want to say things, discuss those DEEP issues with you.... Many of my Thoughts often go unwritten, last-minute ditching of posts before hitting the submit... but etherically there.

posted June 30, 2016 09:10 PM            

I'm up and down what with everything that's happened this week. I feel so awful for mum, but am glad she's doing well, according to them. I hate leaving her behind, every day, and she has two surgeries to go, we don't know when they will be. I'm freaked out over her having to go through it all again, and I don't know if I will be able to handle it. I was bad enough the other day.

posted June 30, 2016 10:36 PM            

You're going through all of this, WHILE there are some pretty heavy transits. (Way it goes, right?)

posted July 01, 2016 05:00 AM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
I love your out loud thinking. Actually comments like yours are the hardest for me to reply to. Zip past the pleasantries and finding common ground and get right to real [b]building. I find that very difficult to do online because discussions about Truth and Love invoke a spirit and are interactive. These discussions are better in person because with the words energy desires to flow as well. But alas, here we are 😊.

I know I simply love this fact. I like to think of Saturn being exalted in Libra, because in Libra's balanced environment Saturn can more clearly show his good intention toward the native. I think in the other signs (except Saturns own signs) Saturn has to first play the role of disciplinarian because of the natural state of imbalance that sign likely represents...thinking out loud here too... I've heard Libra described as the market place, a public square, a place for the people (I use a lot of Vedic interpretations for additional spice and flavor- understanding and perspective) and when Saturn is there he is for the people- the good, the bad, the wealthy, the poor- equal opportunity for everyone. I believe Chiron would thrive here, with the grounded and balanced focus on all humanity...Chiron must feel himself a bit like Jesus... I do also believe that like you said discipline and love do go hand in hand. Without love discipline is not discipline but oppression. And love doesn't blow on the winds of lust, so to be love it is grounded (rooted) in something or some understanding or hope.

According to astrotheme Rumi has a Chiron/Saturn conjunction in Gemini.[/B]

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Thank you I find it hard too with these types of discussions and i think the reason relates to what you say about Taurus and seen/unseen, the affinity with Chiron. This may just be looking from behind the Taurus lens but often I think this sign has some block in expressing self in a way other signs don't - there's a muteness. But, unable to bridge with others as much, feelings curdle, they almost become material and are held & felt / communicated in a silent way. Which is painful & healing. That's probably why a painting could prise open such an unexpected outpouring (for me) .. It operates on the same mode.

I'm so glad you posted it as actually that day I'd no route to express or bounce of something and this has really helped me sift some Chiron stuff.

I wish I had knowledge of Vedic as they do sound very helpful interpretations, libra as a square. Funny that on the one hand it can relate to Taurus, that I think accesses Chiron through silence and libra, which sounds like it could access through a public place. This just made me realise something ..my mums a libra and I've really seen her in her element in a market place - she loves bartering and maybe it's that weighing up of fairness that does it for her. I feel very uncomfortable having the power of negotiation and I'd offer too high and still come away thinking I'd short-changed them or alternately realise I'd been had. But my mum will offer a low price, that nevertheless she has weighed up in her mind as fair, and somehow her and the other will come away feeling happy/satisfied more than actually if she'd offered more, as if she's accessed some truth and that's what they are happy with lol. But from what you said, it's discipline and there *is* a love there, contrary to my cringing, it's a love of that human exchange and .. something more pure somehow, hard to explain. Maybe that she's let no power, on either side, breach its banks which is so Chiron because even being unfair to the self, is unfair to everyone. Can understand saturns role in Chiron through that image actually, a lot better now. It's definitely a tight-rope to tred.

posted July 05, 2016 08:53 PM            

C'mon, Dance with me........

posted July 07, 2016 12:29 AM            

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Originally posted by florence:
Thank you I find it hard too with these types of discussions and i think the reason relates to what you say about Taurus and seen/unseen, the affinity with Chiron. This may just be looking from behind the Taurus lens but often I think [b]this sign has some block in expressing self in a way other signs don't - there's a muteness. But, unable to bridge with others as much, feelings curdle, they almost become material and are held & felt / communicated in a silent way Which is painful & healing. That's probably why a painting could prise open such an unexpected outpouring (for me) .. It operates on the same mode.[/b]

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feelings curdled. they almost become material and are held. felt.

I read this several times.

I've heard that people think Taurus moves slowly. Maybe Taurus has a lot to process and "digest" before moving forward.

I know a teacher (spiritual guide) who is a Taurus. He gives amazing unscripted talks, and his students will sit for hours listening to him. At some point he will stop and say, I've given you enough to digest. I don't want to make you sick

For me, I have the most amazing emotional connection to being alive. I think the whole history of mankind must take place in my heart in the course of one day... whispers reaching up from the darkness of the unknown, reaching up through my own connected heart hoping to see light. But I cannot bring them to light through myself. They get stuck in me, or devoured by me, or slip away from me...I can only see them rise again in other people and as soon as I see an opportunity I call on them when speaking to the other person- I see you universal love, ancient wisdom, deep understanding, nothingness..

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I'm so glad you posted it as actually that day I'd no route to express or bounce of something and this has really helped me sift some Chiron stuff.

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Im glad too. I wouldn't have had the chance to chat with you. You're quite brilliant, and rather quiet and modest at the same time.

I'm glad I found her and her work on that day..I forgot what it's like to have someone in your life who speaks about you when she speaks about herself. When I saw her face I remembered her. When I saw her work, I felt myself and all my emotions set free. She had a way of setting me free.

Moon was Scorpio when I started looking for her.

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I wish I had knowledge of Vedic as they do sound very helpful interpretations, libra as a square. Funny that on the one hand it can relate to Taurus, that I think accesses Chiron through silence and libra, which sounds like it could access through a public place. This just made me realise something ..my mums a libra and I've really seen her in her element in a market place - she loves bartering and maybe it's that weighing up of fairness that does it for her. I feel very uncomfortable having the power of negotiation and I'd offer too high and still come away thinking I'd short-changed them or alternately realise I'd been had. But my mum will offer a low price, that nevertheless she has weighed up in her mind as fair, and somehow her and the other will come away feeling happy/satisfied more than actually if she'd offered more, as if she's accessed some truth and that's what they are happy with lol. But from what you said, it's discipline and there *is* a love there, contrary to my cringing, it's a love of that human exchange and .. something more pure somehow, hard to explain. Maybe that she's let no power, on either side, breach its banks which is so Chiron because even being unfair to the self, is unfair to everyone. Can understand saturns role in Chiron through that image actually, a lot better now. It's definitely a tight-rope to tred.

I will reply to the second part later as my Taurus lens went all unseen mode

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posted July 09, 2016 11:38 AM              

But you know what, people's words are just as short-lived as their thoughts, as their loyalties. They're not always as deeply thought-out or heartfelt as we take them to be. Don't take what they say at face value.. Try to tune those out as white noise.

Fine, they think that of you today? They'll worship you tomorrow. Then switch to someone else. They're like hummingbirds, flitting from flower to flower. Try not to take their words seriously..

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posted July 12, 2016 07:27 PM            

But just there, I experienced an unusual event, just in the last hour.

I felt alone. The unusual part is the shame that accompanied it.

I have been reading old threads, mainly the ones that dug deep down and exhumed issues, where everyone was fully engaged with everything they could muster.

I wish we could do this more without combativeness.

I wish we could all truly connect without defensiveness.

At times like this, I wish I could go home and breathe the clean air, wherever that is.

posted July 13, 2016 10:50 AM              

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
Thank you, Elysia. You give really good pep talks.

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Hehe.. Thanks.. I don't mean to preach, though.

posted July 13, 2016 10:54 AM              

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Originally posted by DopGang:
Hmmmm
There's some questions that have been burning a hole in my brain that I'd like to ask a certain member. Curiosity of course with no other intent.
However, I fear awkwardness. I fear that it would open the doors to their past pain. Perhaps, it may even open the doors for future trouble/pain. It's difficult to know those things, how it would all be handled. I'd be intrusive as well. That's not so cool.
It is difficult though, when curiosity of getting into another's thoughts begins to erode your respect for their privacy.

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posted July 13, 2016 02:41 PM            

I posted such a thread a while ago, that I'll chose to keep to myself, but the point is, I was looking for the very small nuances that can mean the difference between great love and great evil.

Astrological aspects regarded as "positive", can be so different depending on the real-life context, and THIS is where I have a problem with astrology.

If everything can truly been seen in the chart, why can Venus cj. Sun make one couple share a great love, and the other exploit that great love (I am thinking of my own experiment saying this).

The only conclusion I can come to is that the individual natal + environment + opportunity must interact.

So then, can we separate individual astrology from other people's astrology? I doubt it, because without other people how do we see ourselves? Without environment, what is there to perceive?

Astrology only very thinly addresses environment with the houses, perhaps we must consider transits when analysing how certain placements will play out, and bearing in mind others trigger different parts of the chart.
So, the same individual placements could be a blessing or a curse, depending on transits, synastry, and possibly other factors that astrology cannot yet determine.