posted December 08, 2013 12:47 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
At the end of a day a crime is a crime. Because one person is drunk does not mean another person can commit a crime. Don't you see the lack of logic here. You think it's okay for someone to commit a crime every time another is drunk? That's like saying, it's twelve noon, that means it's time to commit a crime. Everyone commit a crime at twelve noon, it's okay, and if you let it happen, it's your fault. Would you agree with that?

See how twisted the thinking is here?

Aquaguy, that's one thing you need to realize about life. A crime is always a crime, you cannot rationalize it away. People who do tend to get themselves into a lot of trouble. Think about things, okay?

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posted December 08, 2013 12:52 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
[b] At the end of a day a crime is a crime. Because one person is drunk does not mean another person can commit a crime. Don't you see the lack of logic here. You think it's okay for someone to commit a crime every time another is drunk? That's like saying, it's twelve noon, that means it's time to commit a crime. Everyone commit a crime at twelve noon, it's okay, and if you let it happen, it's your fault. Would you agree with that?

See how twisted the thinking is here?

Aquaguy, that's one thing you need to realize about life. A crime is always a crime, you cannot rationalize it away. People who do tend to get themselves into a lot of trouble. Think about things, okay?

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posted December 08, 2013 02:03 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:

That is not at all what I was implying, nor is it what the author is implying. If I went into a known blood hood wearing a blue shirt and got shot it would be partly my fault for wearing a blue shirt in a blood hood. Does that mean that the guys who shot me were justified in doing so? No... It means crazy people will do crazy things and I was naive enough to put a target on my back. We don't live in a perfect world and bad stuff happens, we should all exercise caution to avoid the bad stuff.

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Again. You insist that women should NOT regard all men as potential rapists.

But if she goes to a party where there are men, then she SHOULD be mindful of the fact that all men are potential rapists, and take safety precautions based on that fact.

posted December 08, 2013 02:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Again. You insist that women should NOT regard all men as potential rapists.

But if she goes to a party where there are men, then she SHOULD be mindful of the fact that all men are potential rapists, [b]and take safety precautions based on that fact.

The way you have it, women are stupid if they think men are potential racists, and stupid if they don't realize men are potential rapists and prepare accordingly. Not surprised that you "think" like that (if you call that thinking.)[/B]

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posted December 08, 2013 02:19 PM            

He'll change his opinions as time goes on - via higher education, if he does choose to take that path.
If he does not - there isn't much your words here will change in his mindset on this topic.

I didn't think anything other than the P word was offensive in this thread - because people are entitled to their opinions whether those opinions are controversial or not. As long as they are not personally attacking someone - they can think whatever they like and express it.

posted December 08, 2013 02:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
Faith - I'm not sure what you think this is achieving.

He'll change his opinions as time goes on - via higher education, if he does choose to take that path.
If he does not - there isn't much your words here will change in his mindset on this topic.

I didn't think anything other than the P word was offensive in this thread - because people are entitled to their opinions whether those opinions are controversial or not. As long as they are not personally attacking someone - they can think whatever they like and express it.

Aqua Guy - Please take a gender studies course at Uni - read about 800-900 pages of your choosing - including articles, data and books on this matter... and then come back and debate.
That's all I can say about it.
At this point you don't have much information.
You are debating on the very small amount of info at your disposal. If you want to know more about the topic - first read up on it on a legal, political and social level.

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posted December 08, 2013 02:26 PM            

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At this point you don't have much information.
You are debating on the very small amount of info at your disposal. If you want to know more about the topic - first read up on it on a legal, political and social level.

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The info you are relying on is extremely biased and does not reflect the world as it is. Odette is correct and a wise young man would give it some serious thought.!

posted December 08, 2013 02:37 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Aquaguy why devote energy to this when you could be to something that's going to get you somewhere? I am only telling you this to help you out. I am hoping you will succeed in life, have a bright future. Look around, see what others are doing to get ahead in life. Most are not spouting unpopular views. It really is about choosing which battles to fight. It is wise to spend your energy and time on the ones that will get you somewhere, not the ones that are just going to cause you problems.

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posted December 08, 2013 02:41 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:

Some things are worth fighting for .

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posted December 08, 2013 02:47 PM            

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I have read a great deal on the matter and I have formed my own opinions based off of what I have read

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Yes I know you have read as I have read your snippets and followed your links.

Your reading material is chosen by your own bias. You read to reflect your own exeriences. Therefore, your bias is reinforced.

Odette and I are suggesting Uni material and courses. An objective study of the issues where everyones bias is brought up and examined along side the greater understandings.

We all have bias, that is not a problem. When one lives by bias and can`t/won`t look deeper than their experiences, we never learn and are stuck in a groove of misunderstandings.

From your posts, I believe you want out of this loop .The course of study is a wonderful place to start.

posted December 08, 2013 02:55 PM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
Yes I know you have read as I have read your snippets and followed your links.

Your reading material is chosen by your own bias. You read to reflect your own exeriences. Therefore, your bias is reinforced.

Odette and I are suggesting Uni material and courses. An objective study of the issues where everyones bias is brought up and examined along side the greater understandings.

We all have bias, that is not a problem. When one lives by bias and can`t/won`t look deeper than their experiences, we never learn and are stuck in a groove of misunderstandings.

From your posts, I believe you want out of this loop .The course of study is a wonderful place to start.

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posted December 08, 2013 05:47 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by juniperb:
[b] Yes I know you have read as I have read your snippets and followed your links.

Your reading material is chosen by your own bias. You read to reflect your own exeriences. Therefore, your bias is reinforced.

Odette and I are suggesting Uni material and courses. An objective study of the issues where everyones bias is brought up and examined along side the greater understandings.

We all have bias, that is not a problem. When one lives by bias and can`t/won`t look deeper than their experiences, we never learn and are stuck in a groove of misunderstandings.

From your posts, I believe you want out of this loop .The course of study is a wonderful place to start.

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Not "going to college" but studying. Big difference I did suggest "study"

Anyhow, if you won`t open your mind you will be stuck in this loop and be a very lonely fella. It is and always will be your choice!

Do remember, complaining and being bullheaded here will always be the merry go round you are playing on IF you don`t attempt to open your mind. That is a sad state of being for an Aqua to be locked up in.

posted December 08, 2013 05:58 PM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
Not "going to college" but studying. Big difference I did suggest "study"

Anyhow, if you won`t open your mind you will be stuck in this loop and be a very lonely fella. It is and always will be your choice!

Do remember, complaining and being bullheaded here will always be the merry go round you are playing on IF you don`t attempt to open your mind. That is a sad state of being for an Aqua to be locked up in.

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posted December 08, 2013 06:04 PM            

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What makes you think I haven't studied the stuff you are talking about ?

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Your post and attitude tells me you haven`t .

Be bullheaded D but remember, it is going to be a long lonely walk ahead of you if something doesn`t shake up your gender bias`s

posted December 08, 2013 06:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
Faith - I'm not sure what you think this is achieving.

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Now that you mention that, I wonder what you are achieving? What are any of us achieving?

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Originally posted by Odette:
He'll change his opinions as time goes on - via higher education, if he does choose to take that path.

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Originally posted by Odette:
If he does not - there isn't much your words here will change in his mindset on this topic.

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Right! I'm not an official teacher, a course in gender studies, I'm not a published article like you asked him to read.

Leave it to the professionals and let him run rampant through the forum offending people in the meanwhile.

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Originally posted by Odette:
I didn't think anything other than the P word was offensive in this thread - because people are entitled to their opinions whether those opinions are controversial or not.

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And if he is only wrong for the P word, he could have narrowed his big apology down to "I said the P word" but it seems he thought he did worse than that.

I think aquaguy understands how he was offensive, more than you do.

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Originally posted by Odette:
As long as they are not personally attacking someone - they can think whatever they like and express it.

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posted December 08, 2013 10:05 PM            

Skepticism regarding a set of statistics one saw on a topic he is not well-read on "This is where all the rape stuff gets too crazy for me. How do they know these alleged rapes are happening if they aren't being reported? How can they even put that in statistics?"

Sexist Comment:Feminism man... Bunch of sex starved lesbians! They don't know nothing about rape! Word!

Controversial opinion, based on lack of knowledge on topic:Don't get me wrong I think rape is a serious crime and should be severely punished but I still think it is pretty rare despite what feminists say and want us to believe.

Sexist Comment: Sex is not rape. They all want some. We just givin' it to them the way they want it!!

Skeptical comment based on lack of info regarding how the statistics are acquired:: I never said rape doesn't happen. My point was you can't really know how many rapes are being committed if they aren't being reported. As I said I don't doubt that some rapes go unreported but 80%+ ? Give me a break...

Sexist Comment: If a woman does not report a rape it is because there was no rape. Sex is not rape. He gave it to her hard - that's all.

Puzzlement based on lack of understanding of emotional and psychological layers of situation - calling something very complicated, simple: I can't wrap my mind around the fact that women are failing to report rape and complaining that nothing gets done about it. Its all very simple, if a woman gets raped she should notify the proper authorities immediately. How else is anything supposed to get done about it?

Sexist comment: Feminist lesbians are an attention seeking bunch. No one gets raped anyway. Like I said the b*tches love d*ck. Lesbians don't understand nothing!

Skepticism regarding a set of statistics: I never said some rapes don't go unreported. I just have serious doubts that it is as common as these statistics try to say it is.

Sexist Comment: I got fired because I slapped my secretary and the receptionist on the a** every day. But all men do it... wtf? If a woman slapped me on the ass I wouldn't care. I mean I even gave them a raise and this is what I get! Women!!!

posted December 08, 2013 10:34 PM            

The words that came up were: exaggerated; accurate; true.
Those are the first three words that people look up - the most common being exaggerated ^

There are a few people who have written about this.

I found an article here:
http://www.leaderu.com/real/ri9502/sommers.html

This is the introduction:

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An Investigation of Feminist Claims about Rape

As a crime against the person, rape is uniquely horrible in its long-term effects. The anguish it brings is often followed by an abiding sense of fear and shame. Discussions of the data on rape inevitably seem callous. How can one quantify the sense of deep violation behind the statistics? Terms like incidence and prevalence are statistical jargon; once we use them, we necessarily abstract ourselves from the misery. Yet, it remains clear that to arrive at intelligent policies and strategies to decrease the occurrence of rape, we have no alternative but to gather and analyze data, and to do so does not make us callous. Truth is no enemy to compassion, and falsehood is no friend.

Some feminists routinely refer to American society as a "rape culture." Yet estimates on the prevalence of rape vary wildly. According to the FBI Uniform Crime Report, there were 102,560 reported rapes or attempted rapes in 1990.[1] The Bureau of Justice Statistics estimates that 130,000 women were victims of rape in 1990.[2] A Harris poll sets the figure at 380,000 rapes or sexual assaults for 1993.[3] According to a study by the National Victims Center, there were 683,000 completed forcible rapes in 1990.[4] The Justice Department says that 8 percent of all American women will be victims of rape or attempted rape in their lifetime. The radical feminist legal scholar Catharine MacKinnon, however, claims that "by conservative definition [rape] happens to almost half of all women at least once in their lives."[5]

Who is right? Feminist activists and others have plausibly argued that the relatively low figures of the FBI and the Bureau of Justice Statistics are not trustworthy. The FBI survey is based on the number of cases reported to the police, but rape is among the most underreported of crimes. The Bureau of Justice Statistics National Crime Survey is based on interviews with 100,000 randomly selected women. It, too, is said to be flawed because the women were never directly questioned about rape. Rape was discussed only if the woman happened to bring it up in the course of answering more general questions about criminal victimization. The Justice Department has changed its method of questioning to meet this criticism, so we will know in a year or two whether this has a significant effect on its numbers. Clearly, independent studies on the incidence and prevalence of rape are badly needed. Unfortunately, research groups investigating in this area have no common definition of rape, and the results so far have led to confusion and acrimony.

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Faith - I know that debating rape statistics is controversial.. and Aqua Guy's take on this is obviously not a popular one. However, as I was saying - he is entitled to his opinion.

posted December 08, 2013 10:45 PM            

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barging into a topic on a sensitive issue and disrupting the atmosphere with self-righteous tantrums is offensive. How many women didn't share their stories here because of that?

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