posted April 04, 2014 12:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
Does not work that way 23, offices are controlled via 2 parties, really they are one party, with the illusion of differnce.

No way a Righteous person would even bother

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Well you're right there, it's pretty much the same here re politics but to go back to the legal system itself, it's very objective, evidence is sifted through, convictions given only when proven beyond reasonable doubt, lawyers are often passionate advocates of the legal system and a fair and true lawyer will always promote it's greatest role of being an officer of the court. Judges are very objective and do suffer for their judgments. Now of course, I realise there's corruption everywhere too...

posted April 04, 2014 12:04 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:

To go with some of what was said above.

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Well that's exactly why I said in the first post about this issue being a first world problem. Lol.

posted April 04, 2014 12:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
Morality?

How dare you broach such a topic!

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How dare I? How dare you Padre!?

My Sag moon will battle it out with your Sag sun in the arena of self righteousness any day haha

posted April 04, 2014 12:09 AM            

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Originally posted by 23:
Well you're right there, it's pretty much the same here re politics but to go back to the legal system itself, it's very objective, evidence is sifted through, convictions given only when proven beyond reasonable doubt, lawyers are often passionate advocates of the legal system and a fair and true lawyer will always promote it's greatest role of being an officer of the court. Judges are very objective and do suffer for their judgments. Now of course, I realise there's corruption everywhere too...

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Not so, that idealism, in the Federal court system there is a 95% conviction rate.

Being me, granted Officer of the Court, an Esquire if one will.

I'm a servant of Le Bon Dieu

posted April 04, 2014 12:12 AM            

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Originally posted by 23:
Well that's exactly why I said in the first post about this issue being a first world problem. Lol.

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posted April 04, 2014 12:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
this should peak some keyword searches, based on what I've seen:

-gloryhole
-skinparty
-fisting

these are never discussed, since the only cure for hate speech is more speech, let the discussion be had

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Actually, they are discussed. But not with things like sexual orientation or equal rights for the same reason things like wife swapping, Spring Break and Girls Gone Wild, places where the pole dancing goes on, cruising (straights do it to), SMBD, sexually explicit hazing (or like how parents provide alcohol to underage teens slinging poop on pledges that the parents know about), or the countless flavors of porn aimed at straight people (especially straight men--though frankly I'd rather women get into some of the bad taste porn than what I call "Beauty and the Beast" romances, especially if they try to make the fantasy a reality) when talking about things like marriage for straights. Or heck, like this:
http://www.cafemom.com/articles/in_the_news/142916/man_shot_after_he_admits

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When it turns out your 11-year-old daughter is pregnant and your middle-aged boyfriend suddenly disappears, it doesn't take a genius to put two and two together. But then the boyfriend saves you the trouble by calling you and apologizing for knocking up your 11-year-old kid.

And it gets worse. The man, Gregory Johns, then robs a couple at knife-point. There, he reportedly leaves a note also apologizing to the 11-year-old girl for sexually assaulting her.

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Sure, safe sex and practices are worthy topics to discuss, and I wish people did it more, but it's a separate topic.

posted April 04, 2014 12:17 AM            

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Originally posted by FireMoon:
How dare I? How dare you Padre!?

My Sag moon will battle it out with your Sag sun in the arena of self righteousness any day haha

But seriously I'm curious what actually bothers you about it so much...

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What bothers me Firemoon, is many things

For example, once upon a time, the community did not want acceptance, they wanted to do what they wanted to do..now looking for State blessing, that sort of Spirit..has left

"please accept me!"

Ppl I knew would have chuckled over that one, and did what they wanted to do

Other (among many) is somehow the State making Love legit, as if one did not Love them before, now with State blessing of course there is Love (granted, very female emotion)

Then there are health issues

Then, what I'm really unhappy with..where are the Cowboys? Where is the Community that no longer gives two ***** what anyone things about it all? They have Joy and if you ain't with it,.then bye?

Those things are what Christians have lost under codifyication and acceptance and being co-opted

posted April 04, 2014 12:19 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:

To go with some of what was said above.

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Wow this thread has grown...

Anyway I totally agree with you on that PixieJane

posted April 04, 2014 12:24 AM            

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Originally posted by libraschoice77:
Wow this thread has grown...

Anyway I totally agree with you on that PixieJane

People have their worry priorities so far out of wack.

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Not so, for as much as Christians are not aligned with what they profess

Still waiting for a comparison b/t non Christian Charity and Charity from others.

BTW, know the answer already..enjoy the feels of Equalitah!

Reality is, the Church has been reduced to a place that does not change the World, money is merely paid..no need to examine why it is paid..just toss cash and feel good

Bleech

I would far far rather bring a gift, break bread, and just enjoy each others company than what I'm seeing today

posted April 04, 2014 12:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
Not so, for as much as Christians are not aligned with what they profess

Still waiting for a comparison b/t non Christian Charity and Charity from others.

BTW, know the answer already..enjoy the feels of Equalitah!

Reality is, the Church has been reduced to a place that does not change the World, money is merely paid..no need to examine why it is paid..just toss cash and feel good

Bleech

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I just find it rather sad that people are more bothered by two gay men holding hands walking down the street, but not even blink an eye over the starving family on the street. Wow crazy lol!

posted April 04, 2014 12:29 AM            

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Originally posted by libraschoice77:
I just find it rather sad that people are more bothered by two gay men holding hands walking down the street, but not even blink an eye over the starving family on the street. Wow F**cking crazy lol!

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B/c one assumes Image is Reality, not just Manipulation, congrats on that.

Do note, who does more to feed the hungry, the two men holding hands, or whatever, or the Church

posted April 04, 2014 12:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
B/c one assumes Image is Reality, not just Manipulation, congrats on that.

Do note, who does more to feed the hungry, the two men holding hands, or whatever, or the Church

I'll wait for numbers

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Interesting take, not sure myself sometimes

posted April 04, 2014 12:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
B/c one assumes Image is Reality, not just Manipulation, congrats on that.

Do note, who does more to feed the hungry, the two men holding hands, or whatever, or the Church

I'll wait for numbers

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Who kills and rapes more, men holding hands, or straight men with the Church?

posted April 04, 2014 12:41 AM            

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Originally posted by FireMoon:
It is a first world problem, but the same fundamentalist Christian doctrines and viewpoints that condemn homosexuals were used to label "third world" cultures as "backwards and uncivilized" which allowed for racism, colonialism, etc... So in a way it's all interconnected. As Pixie's earlier clip also pointed out

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Er no, it's much simpler than that and it ties in with what my first post on this thread is about. Given that there is dire poverty in this world and other very deep issues running in this world, this is what our attention should be directed and our attention should not be spent on mandating gay marriage for example. I am much more concerned about the children in that photo and I'm going to give them more attention than what Pixie Jane thinks and wants, with the greatest of respect to her and you.

posted April 04, 2014 12:41 AM            

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Originally posted by libraschoice77:
Interesting take, not sure myself sometimes

But I guess everyone on here will peg me a 'bad' person because I don't have it in for any one kind of person.

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Let me know when the celibate, gay, mission to Zimbabwe shows up with 20 tons of beans and rice to divide amongst the starving.

Granted, that would include the Catholic Church so uhm..not willing to drop money on that one..but still the effort..the effort!

posted April 04, 2014 12:42 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Who kills and rapes more, men holding hands, or straight men with the Church?

It's just as relevant.

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posted April 04, 2014 12:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
What bothers me Firemoon, is many things

For example, once upon a time, the community did not want acceptance, they wanted to do what they wanted to do..now looking for State blessing, that sort of Spirit..has left

"please accept me!"

Ppl I knew would have chuckled over that one, and did what they wanted to do

Other (among many) is somehow the State making Love legit, as if one did not Love them before, now with State blessing of course there is Love (granted, very female emotion)

Then there are health issues

Then, what I'm really unhappy with..where are the Cowboys? Where is the Community that no longer gives two ***** what anyone things about it all? They have Joy and if you ain't with it,.then bye?

Those things are what Christians have lost under codifyication and acceptance and being co-opted

Hell, even Fred Phelps, as ****** as he was, has/had far more balls than the avg "megachurch" goer..buying CD's and Books and banging the Assc Pastor

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Wellll up until even the 1990s being gay was officially considered a mental illness by the WHO, so that might've had something to do with it...

As for health issues, the AIDS epidemic broke out while Pluto was in Scorpio I believe, and although it brought a lot of (negative) attention to the gay community, it was also an attention that brought awareness to issues that were formerly largely ignored and taboo in society at the time. It put this in the spotlight in a way that there's no going back from, but from my perspective that's not such a bad thing...

posted April 04, 2014 12:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
Let me know when the celibate, gay, mission to Zimbabwe shows up with 20 tons of beans and rice to divide amongst the starving.

Granted, that would include the Catholic Church so uhm..not willing to drop money on that one..but still the effort..the effort!

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posted April 04, 2014 12:47 AM            

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Originally posted by FireMoon:
Wellll up until even the 1990s being gay was officially considered a mental illness by the WHO, so that might've had something to do with it...

As for health issues, the AIDS epidemic broke out while Pluto was in Scorpio I believe, and although it brought a lot of (negative) attention to the gay community, it was also an attention that brought awareness to issues that were formerly largely ignored and taboo in society at the time. It put this in the spotlight in a way that there's no going back from, but from my perspective that's not such a bad thing...

Anyway I won't even comment on the Michael Phelps thing cause I never payed attention to his story lol

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Truth be know, until the 1973 DSVM, Homosexaulity was considered a mental illness, thanks to activism, it was miraculously removed!

Hallelujah!

Thinly veiled sarcasm aside, this is one of the reasons why I trust more of what I've seen then the science, or pseudo science, behind it.

posted April 04, 2014 12:48 AM            

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Originally posted by 23:
Er no, it's much simpler than that and it ties in with what my first post on this thread is about. Given that there is dire poverty in this world and other very deep issues running in this world, this is what our attention should be directed and our attention should not be spent on mandating gay marriage for example. I am much more concerned about the children in that photo and I'm going to give them more attention than what Pixie Jane thinks and wants, with the greatest of respect to her and you.

As I've said, I know a few gay people and they really don't care about the issue, I think a lot of Australians don't care about the issue, we've got better things to worry about such as ensuring that there's a functional hospital system, educational system and that there's noone falling under the poverty line and that includes overseas. I'm not very politically minded but I can assure you that the average Australian would be more interested in donating to disaster relief than promotion of gay marriage, for example.

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Ugh yes and I would agree as I've said repeatedly in this thread I don't think this is much of a political issue or should be the first priority politically, financially etc. I was just coming at it from an intellectual perspective by saying that eliminating discrimination in the "first world" may actually have far reaching and unexpected results in other ways and with other global issues as well...

posted April 04, 2014 12:49 AM            

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Originally posted by libraschoice77:
You got me there Padre35, I have no religion either...GASP lol!

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I have little Religion myself, I have faith, that is tested, severely tested at times

posted April 04, 2014 12:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
Truth be know, until the 1973 DSVM, Homosexaulity was considered a mental illness, thanks to activism, it was miraculously removed!

Hallelujah!

Thinly veiled sarcasm aside, this is one of the reasons why I trust more of what I've seen then the science, or pseudo science, behind it.

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Haha yeah another thing we agree on, the bs of the DSVM...