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Topic: My mother is a homophobe
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Barbiegirl19
Knowflake Posts: 3557
From: Pluto with DeepFreeze
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted April 04, 2014 06:26 PM
  
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Originally posted by FireMoon:
Well you live in Iowa now right? And it's nothing personal it's just not my cup if tea, I can't even imagine moving to the Midwest by choice...Why don't you try putting your personal feelings and defensiveness aside and stick to the issue? Location is an objective factor so that's why I brought it up
Its a beautiful state. I love it here and don't plan on ever moving back to where I'm from. I'm not getting personal nor defensive here. I just find it funny at how people try digging at other people here, because of how we feel. It was unnecessary and not called for. The location has nothing to do with it. Iowa is a state that alows gay marriage. So your point was...? To try digging at us. IP: Logged |
DeepFreeze
Knowflake Posts: 1510
From: Pluto with Barbiegirl19
Registered: Nov 2013
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posted April 04, 2014 06:26 PM
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
So you believe gays should not be prohibited from getting married?
I didn't say that either. I know you're trying to set up a religious trap for me to fall into... I see it from all the way over here.  There are many different kinds of rights. Be gay... Okay be gay. Get married? Weelllll
Aka... They don't need to be discriminated against for employment, etc.
My point is...
There are many things about this. YOU all are making it so black and white and trying to shove us on one side or the other.
I acknowledge that there will always be gay people.
I won't out right hate them like you all are trying to say we do or don't. They are more than their sexuality.
But do I have to agree that it happens because of this or that? Certainty not. Or say it's right, no.
I can say that I feel it's a choice, immoral, unnatural, etc. But at the same time acknowledge that it's a person engaged in unnatural/immoral acts that they chose to do. While not liking what they are doing, but not disliking them. I don't see what's so hard to about understanding that. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
Knowflake Posts: 8275
From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted April 04, 2014 06:28 PM
I can see gay marriage legalized in all fifty states within the next twenty years. IP: Logged |
MoonWitch
Moderator Posts: 1375
From: The Beach
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 04, 2014 06:29 PM
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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Just that I'm familiar with gays. They are no stranger to me.
I'm not telling gays not to have rights, but it doesn't mean that I have to accept it as "normal behavior" either.
I love my cousin and don't discriminate in the context of not taking to him or treating him equal, but I STILL don't have to accept it as "normal behavior" or say it's not a choice, etc. Everyone is jumping to conclusions about us and it's rather funny to be labeled judgmental when is equally being tossed right back.
Well, I apologize if I came across that way in my post. This is a subject that is close to my heart. I have had many many gay friends, a transgendered cousin, etc. I see how real discrimination affects them. Not just someone not agreeing with their choices - whatever, you know, who cares? Someone is always going to disagree with your choices no matter who you are.
I remember going back to my hometown in Texas with my ex-husband (when we were still married and I was pregnant) and being terrified we were going to be harassed or worse because we were an interracial couple. I don't want anyone to have to feel that way. IP: Logged |
DeepFreeze
Knowflake Posts: 1510
From: Pluto with Barbiegirl19
Registered: Nov 2013
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posted April 04, 2014 06:29 PM
YOU don't agree.. And soooooooo....
I have to agree with you?It doesn't work that way. IP: Logged |
MoonWitch
Moderator Posts: 1375
From: The Beach
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 04, 2014 06:32 PM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I can see gay marriage legalized in all fifty states within the next twenty years.
I hope so. <3
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Barbiegirl19
Knowflake Posts: 3557
From: Pluto with DeepFreeze
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted April 04, 2014 06:33 PM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I can see gay marriage legalized in all fifty states within the next twenty years.
This is a global issue though. What about them? I don't see it ever happening. Our country is not at united about it at all. A new president every 4 or 8 years isn't going to so it either. Congress and the House are never going to unanimously agree to it. Besides it's a state issue and most states don't agree with it. IP: Logged |
FireMoon
Knowflake Posts: 1610
From: Minnesota
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted April 04, 2014 06:35 PM
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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
Its a beautiful state. I love it here and don't plan on ever moving back to where I'm from. I'm not getting personal nor defensive here. I just find it funny at how people try digging at other people here, because of how we feel. It was unnecessary and not called for. The location has nothing to do with it. Iowa is a state that alows gay marriage. So your point was...? To try digging at us.
It's just that you're not even contributing anything to the thread, you're just stating over and over how mean everyone is and how uncalled for ppls opinions are. Why are you even participating in the conversation then? And my point was mainly directed at Sibyl and MoonWitch who mentioned location, I was trying to explain that I know personally that MN, IA, WI, etc. are all very "family oriented" states regardless of their "liberal" policies, it's practically part of the Bible Belt... So there's no use arguing with ppl like you and deep freeze who want to come and just clog up the thread and antagonize everyone
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PixieJane
Moderator Posts: 4243
From: CA
Registered: Oct 2010
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posted April 04, 2014 06:39 PM
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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
While not liking what they are doing, but not disliking them. I don't see what's so hard to about understanding that.
What's hard to understand is that you say you don't discriminate while then promoting discrimination and saying you believe in equality and then say not everyone should have the same rights and options if you don't personally agree with them. You clearly don't know "discriminate" and "equality" mean. You can treat someone as equal without discrimination without personally liking them, but if you support their being made second class citizens that are denied the same rights as everyone else (even if in only one or two ways) then you are promoting discrimination and inequality. What's so hard to understand about that? Anyway, I hope I'm done. I'm sure you'll respond with some double speak but I'm going to try to not get sucked in. I was giving you the benefit of a doubt but that benefit is now gone.
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MoonWitch
Moderator Posts: 1375
From: The Beach
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 04, 2014 06:39 PM
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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
This is a global issue though. What about them? I don't see it ever happening. Our country is not at united about it at all. A new president every 4 or 8 years isn't going to so it either. Congress and the House are never going to unanimously agree to it. Besides it's a state issue and most states don't agree with it.
The same could have easily been said about Segregation or women's suffrage.
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StarlightSmileSupreme
Knowflake Posts: 8275
From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted April 04, 2014 06:41 PM
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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
This is a global issue though. What about them? I don't see it ever happening. Our country is not at united about it at all. A new president every 4 or 8 years isn't going to so it either. Congress and the House are never going to unanimously agree to it. Besides it's a state issue and most states don't agree with it.
That will change. If you look at history most people don't agree with liberation but it always happens eventually. Did the iron curtain stay put? Were women forever denied the right to vote? The trend is always toward human rights, sometimes it just takes a while. It's because people wish to be free first and foremost. Soon it will be said you cannot discriminate in matters of marriage just like you can't in other areas.
Western Europe will lead the way, then the US.
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Barbiegirl19
Knowflake Posts: 3557
From: Pluto with DeepFreeze
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted April 04, 2014 06:41 PM
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Originally posted by FireMoon:
It's just that you're not even contributing anything to the thread, you're just stating over and over how mean everyone is and how uncalled for ppls opinions are. Why are you even participating in the conversation then?And my point was mainly directed at Sibyl and MoonWitch who mentioned location, I was trying to explain that I know personally that MN, IA, WI, etc. are all very "family oriented" states regardless of their "liberal" policies, it's practically part of the Bible Belt... So there's no use arguing with ppl like you and deep freeze who want to come and just clog up the thread and antagonize everyone
It's not just he and I? Ami Anne started all of this. I agreed with what she said and PixieJane started a fire with it and before I know everyone is disagreeing with me and calling me judgmental. If you were in the same boat about something that you were l passionate about, which clearly you are, you'd understand where I'm coming from. I am so sick of some of you on this forum who constantly criticize my judgment, my logic and insult me. Yes I insult back, but only when it's done to me first. Goodbye I'm done with this thread. I hope it dies just like that Timothy person thread. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
Knowflake Posts: 8275
From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted April 04, 2014 06:43 PM
I just don't get why people make such a big deal out this issue. What does it matter who someone wants to marry? It's not like you are going to be marrying them, too. What if it were the other way around with gays telling everyone they can only marry if they are the same sex? I honestly don't get people most the time which is why I choose  s IP: Logged |
FireMoon
Knowflake Posts: 1610
From: Minnesota
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted April 04, 2014 06:46 PM
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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
It's not just he and I? Ami Anne started all of this. I agreed with what she said and PixieJane started a fire with it and before I know everyone is disagreeing with me and calling me judgmental. If you were in the same boat about something that you were l passionate about, which clearly you are, you'd understand where I'm coming from. I am so sick of some of you on this forum who constantly criticize my judgment, my logic and insult me. Yes I insult back, but only when it's done to me first. Goodbye I'm done with this thread. I hope it dies just like that Timothy person thread.
Ok innocent little libra, I can be passive aggressive too. Bye 
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StarlightSmileSupreme
Knowflake Posts: 8275
From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted April 04, 2014 06:48 PM
And speaking of that, what if, suddenly, aliens appeared on earth and they stuck around and people found themselves wanting to marry one? Would it be alright? Anyone?Like, what if Mr Spock wanted to marry an earthling? Should he be allowed? IP: Logged |
DeepFreeze
Knowflake Posts: 1510
From: Pluto with Barbiegirl19
Registered: Nov 2013
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posted April 04, 2014 06:52 PM
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
What's hard to understand is that you say you don't discriminate while then promoting discrimination and saying you believe in equality and then say not everyone should have the same rights and options if you don't personally agree with them.You clearly don't know "discriminate" and "equality" mean. You can treat someone as equal without discrimination without personally liking them, but if you support their being made second class citizens that are denied the same rights as everyone else (even if in only one or two ways) then you are promoting discrimination and inequality. What's so hard to understand about that? Anyway, I hope I'm done. I'm sure you'll respond with some double speak but I'm going to try to not get sucked in. I was giving you the benefit of a doubt but that benefit is now gone.
Okay, I understand and I apologize for the misunderstanding.
If I'm to be labeled as such and such then do it.
You can look all day for holes in what I'm saying.
I have certain things that I believe and if I suck at expressing them, then sorry. I'm not the best communicator. You're much better. (no sarcasm intended) It's like I have a road block sometimes that I have to detour around and people don't get it. (mercury in 12?? Idk) If I'm to be labeled some ignorant, Midwest, backwoods redneck (again not saying you implied that), I'll accept it. My beliefs hold strong. IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx
Knowflake Posts: 6912
From: Mountain Gate
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted April 04, 2014 06:52 PM
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Like, what if Mr Spock wanted to marry an earthling? Should he be allowed?
I'm pretty sure Cappy has dibs on him. But not to disturb the trolling, here... IP: Logged |
DeepFreeze
Knowflake Posts: 1510
From: Pluto with Barbiegirl19
Registered: Nov 2013
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posted April 04, 2014 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by FireMoon:
It's just that you're not even contributing anything to the thread, you're just stating over and over how mean everyone is and how uncalled for ppls opinions are. Why are you even participating in the conversation then?And my point was mainly directed at Sibyl and MoonWitch who mentioned location, I was trying to explain that I know personally that MN, IA, WI, etc. are all very "family oriented" states regardless of their "liberal" policies, it's practically part of the Bible Belt... So there's no use arguing with ppl like you and deep freeze who want to come and just clog up the thread and antagonize everyone
Who's being ganged up on? think you have that backwards. Gays are minority
.... Looks like we are minority here to me. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
Knowflake Posts: 8275
From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted April 04, 2014 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by Ellynlvx:
I'm pretty sure Cappy has dibs on him.But not to disturb the trolling, here...
I am not trolling that's a serious concern. One day aliens could invade our planet and they could be close enough to humans, we could intermarry. I seriously wonder if some would say it should never be allowed. If some have issues with gays marrying, what would they say about this? IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
Knowflake Posts: 8275
From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted April 04, 2014 06:56 PM
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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Who's being ganged up on? think you have that backwards. Gays are minority
.... Looks like we are minority here to me.
I am not gay but I will be first to say people should have equal rights. I am all for freedom. IP: Logged |
DeepFreeze
Knowflake Posts: 1510
From: Pluto with Barbiegirl19
Registered: Nov 2013
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posted April 04, 2014 06:56 PM
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Originally posted by Ellynlvx:
I'm pretty sure Cappy has dibs on him.But not to disturb the trolling, here...
It's not trolling. Prove it. We're discussing beliefs Cappy is the only one that COULD be accused of trolling for creating a thread that she knew darn well wouldn't end well. I'm not saying she is, but Idk where get trolling from. IP: Logged |
DeepFreeze
Knowflake Posts: 1510
From: Pluto with Barbiegirl19
Registered: Nov 2013
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posted April 04, 2014 06:57 PM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I am not gay but I will be first to say people should have equal rights. I am all for freedom.
Principle is the same IP: Logged |
MoonWitch
Moderator Posts: 1375
From: The Beach
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 04, 2014 06:57 PM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
And speaking of that, what if, suddenly, aliens appeared on earth and they stuck around and people found themselves wanting to marry one? Would it be alright? Anyone?Like, what if Mr Spock wanted to marry an earthling? Should he be allowed?
ABSOLUTELY! I always had a thing for Spock... ETA: I think to get married you should have to answer the following. 1. Are you a consenting adult?
2. Do you want to marry another consenting adult? If so proceed to step three.
3. Get married.
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StarlightSmileSupreme
Knowflake Posts: 8275
From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted April 04, 2014 07:03 PM
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Originally posted by MoonWitch:
ABSOLUTELY! I always had a thing for Spock...ETA: I think to get married you should have to answer the following. 1. Are you a consenting adult?
2. Do you want to marry another consenting adult? If so proceed to step three.
3. Get married.
Speaking of that, shouldn't people be more concerned about whether people are actually responsible enough to get married in the first place, not what their orientation or gender is? Look at how many marriages fail.
One thing I really disagree with is the mentality that a wedding is nothing more than a day at the spa. IP: Logged |
I'm so cappy
Knowflake Posts: 5645
From: Saturn (summer house on Chiron)
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted April 04, 2014 07:04 PM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I am not trolling that's a serious concern. One day aliens could invade our planet and they could be close enough to humans, we could intermarry. I seriously wonder if some would say it should never be allowed. If some have issues with gays marrying, what would they say about this?
If I ever marry, my husband will be an alien. Have I mentioned I like to fantasize about losing my virginity to a handsome Nordic?  ------------------
I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy. IP: Logged |
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