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Topic: My mother is a homophobe
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StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 8275 From: neptune Registered: Nov 2012
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posted April 06, 2014 02:05 PM
One thing that stands out...if you separate the sexes so they hardly spend time together what they found happens is people start to become gay and start bonding with members of the same sex like they would members of the opposite.IP: Logged |
aquaguy91 Moderator Posts: 9064 From: tennessee Registered: Jan 2012
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posted April 06, 2014 03:46 PM
quote: Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme: One thing that stands out...if you separate the sexes so they hardly spend time together what they found happens is people start to become gay and start bonding with members of the same sex like they would members of the opposite.
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Sibyl Knowflake Posts: 522 From: Uranus Registered: Dec 2010
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posted April 06, 2014 04:28 PM
^^Maybe for some people. I know for some of my girl friends girl-on-girl action is not the first preference but they would visit it. However I simply cannot imagine. I don't swing that way at all, and it's not due to any prejudice. I just think girl parts are pretty gross. Perhaps sexuality is more a matter of degree? IP: Logged |
aquaguy91 Moderator Posts: 9064 From: tennessee Registered: Jan 2012
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posted April 06, 2014 04:42 PM
quote: Originally posted by Sibyl: ^^Maybe for some people. I know for some of my girl friends girl-on-girl action is not the first preference but they would visit it. However I simply cannot imagine. I don't swing that way at all, and it's not due to any prejudice. I just think girl parts are pretty gross. Perhaps sexuality is more a matter of degree?
Well heres how I see it... Some Guys in prison will often start having sex with other men and use the excuse that they are "lonely". Im sorry im not buying it ... If you are a man and can enjoy sex with another man you are gay or bi.. I am lonely 90% and sexually frustrated most of the time but I could never kiss, have sex, or be in a relationship with another man. I wish I could be gay so I wouldnt have to put up with womens bs in dating but alas I am not attracted to men at all and never will be. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 53827 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 06, 2014 05:51 PM
I wish I could be gay so I wouldnt have to put up with womens bs 
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aquaguy91 Moderator Posts: 9064 From: tennessee Registered: Jan 2012
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posted April 06, 2014 05:54 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: [b] I wish I could be gay so I wouldnt have to put up with womens bs 
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Haha how is that funny? Im being completely honest. I just want a relationship where everything is out in the open and there is no : games, indecision,or fickleness.. And my chances of ever finding that with a woman are lower then 0.
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StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 8275 From: neptune Registered: Nov 2012
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posted April 06, 2014 06:07 PM
I think there was a study, Aquaguy, that said that happens when men and women are separated. They start becoming homosexual. Orientation is a complicated issue. Many humans have an innate need for closeness and intimacy and if they are surrounded by only one gender, the ones who are the neediest will start forming those bonds. It's in the wiring. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91 Moderator Posts: 9064 From: tennessee Registered: Jan 2012
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posted April 06, 2014 06:11 PM
quote: Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme: I think there was a study, Aquaguy, that said that happens when men and women are separated. They start becoming homosexual. Orientation is a complicated issue. Many humans have an innate need for closeness and intimacy and if they are surrounded by only one gender, the ones who are the neediest will start forming those bonds. It's in the wiring.
But that doesnt hold water because alot of gay guys hang around hot women all the time.IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 8275 From: neptune Registered: Nov 2012
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posted April 06, 2014 06:15 PM
quote: Originally posted by aquaguy91: [QUOTE]Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme: [b]I think there was a study, Aquaguy, that said that happens when men and women are separated. They start becoming homosexual. Orientation is a complicated issue. Many humans have an innate need for closeness and intimacy and if they are surrounded by only one gender, the ones who are the neediest will start forming those bonds. It's in the wiring.
But that doesnt hold water because alot of gay guys hang around hot women all the time.[/B][/QUOTE] I'm not saying it is the case with every gay person because some are most likely born attracted to one sex and not the other. Orientation might not be a black and white issue, it's either this or it's that. There could be many shades of grey.
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aquaguy91 Moderator Posts: 9064 From: tennessee Registered: Jan 2012
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posted April 06, 2014 06:26 PM
quote: Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme: [QUOTE]Originally posted by aquaguy91: [b] [QUOTE]Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme: [b]I think there was a study, Aquaguy, that said that happens when men and women are separated. They start becoming homosexual. Orientation is a complicated issue. Many humans have an innate need for closeness and intimacy and if they are surrounded by only one gender, the ones who are the neediest will start forming those bonds. It's in the wiring.
But that doesnt hold water because alot of gay guys hang around hot women all the time.[/B][/QUOTE] I'm not saying it is the case with every gay person because some are most likely born attracted to one sex and not the other. Orientation might not be a black and white issue, it's either this or it's that. There could be many shades of grey. [/B][/QUOTE] You have to realize that the gay people who make you believe stuff like that have an agenda... Their agenda is blaming others for the way they are.. Its not uncommon to hear a lesbian say she is lesbian because men are cheaters or gay men will sometimes say they are gay because they have been rejected by women.. Its all a smoke screen... They say that because they want you to believe they were straight at one point but the world forced them to be gay... Instead of acknowledging that they are inherently gay and have always been that way..IP: Logged |
Odette Knowflake Posts: 4053 From: Registered: May 2012
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posted April 06, 2014 06:33 PM
I agree that there are many shades of grey.My gay friend is attracted to me.. and there are women I can find attractive although I'm hetero. IP: Logged |
PixieJane Moderator Posts: 4243 From: CA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted April 06, 2014 06:35 PM
I'm a bit distracted (with things to do soon) and have no time for in depth thought so I'm only throwing this out as trivia (as opposed to asserting anything): Too many men in China. Chinese men outnumber women in the tens of millions and it's growing (something I've watched with interest for years because the rare females raised among a plenitude of boys show a lot more masculine behavior, at least in some cases, which interests me as it might provide clues to where sociology meets biology in gender inclinations). I point it out because though homosexuality is more tolerated than it has been since the Communists took over (which may be influenced by their history, lack of Christian & Islamic dominance, and the understanding that anti-gay bigotry was imported from the west) it's still generally seen in an unfavorable light by the bulk of the population with a thriving black market (or so some report) of women brought in (I hear North Korea is a favorite source of both brides and prostitutes) which the government has learned to turn a blind eye to. If the ratio of men and women are turning men gay in China then I don't think it's that many. Again, I'm only throwing that out there as trivia. IP: Logged |
PixieJane Moderator Posts: 4243 From: CA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted April 06, 2014 06:39 PM
quote: Originally posted by aquaguy91: Its not uncommon to hear a lesbian say she is lesbian because men are cheaters or gay men will sometimes say they are gay because they have been rejected by women
That's extremely rare everywhere I've been. However, I have heard men (including you) and women say they WISH they could change their orientation for those reasons. (Just as there are gays who are desperate to change their orientation to heterosexual so they don't have to put up with the bigotry that says it's a choice and punishes gays for their "choice.") There's also bisexuals, which is a very complicated issue for many (mostly sociological) reasons, but they DO have a choice (that of celibacy toward one gender) and sometimes say things like that. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91 Moderator Posts: 9064 From: tennessee Registered: Jan 2012
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posted April 06, 2014 06:51 PM
quote: Originally posted by PixieJane: That's extremely rare everywhere I've been. However, I have heard men (including you) and women say they WISH they could change their orientation for those reasons. (Just as there are gays who are desperate to change their orientation to heterosexual so they don't have to put up with the bigotry that says it's a choice and punishes gays for their "choice.")There's also bisexuals, which is a very complicated issue for many (mostly sociological) reasons, but they DO have a choice (that of celibacy toward one gender) and sometimes say things like that.
Oh I have heard it plenty of times.. Its mainly when they come out to you and want to make sure that you feel sorry for them. One guy in particular gave me a sob story about how women had rejected him to the point where he was suicidal and how the gay community had greeted him with open arms and "saved his life". When I told him that I had been rejected by almost every woman I had ever liked and never turned gay his story changed and suddenly he was gay because his dad raped and abused him. Its all a smoke screen.. They want you to believe they are the way they are because other people made them that way... I guess its easier than saying "im gay,deal with it"IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 8275 From: neptune Registered: Nov 2012
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posted April 06, 2014 07:41 PM
Well I meant a place where men have no access to women and live in close proximity of each other. Chinese men have access to women it's not like they live in a place that's entirely men, and they can go other places besides China for them. Suppose they were someplace where they couldn't be near women or even in a very repressive culture where interactions between the sexes are frowned upon growing up, like India, for example. I read that in India, it's not uncommon for men's first sexual experience to be with other men and then they go on and get married. Often the marriage is arranged. IP: Logged |
Odette Knowflake Posts: 4053 From: Registered: May 2012
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posted April 06, 2014 10:32 PM
quote: I meant a place where men have no access to women and live in close proximity of each other.
Well I have to get back to Australian high schools since I experienced this first hand. A great majority of private schools are unisex. The kids who attend these schools are socialised with members of the same sex from 8/9am in the morning to 3/4pm in the afternoon every single weekday from 5 yrs of age (when primary starts) to 17/18 when yr 12 (HS) ends. So that is a total of 12-13 years and God only knows how many accumulated hours. This is by no means an oddity in Australia. It is common practice for many people to send their kids to a unisex, religious, private school. 70% of people I met at University fit this profile. Since our teenage years are considered 'formative' mainly when it comes to human sexuality.. it's been very interesting to me to observe and take note re: how these people act towards the opposite sex. Obviously once they reach university, they are in a mixed environment. I am not saying this has any bearing on their sexuality.. but I have personally noticed a pretty clear trend that people who fit this profile find it difficult, if not impossible to form proper relationships and attachments with the opposite sex. They can socialise at a very superficial level, but when it comes to forming deeper emotional bonds and deeper friendships they strongly prefer members of the same sex. I guess many might say that people in general have this preference. However, I only have my own experience to go on and I was pretty shocked at how anti-social & plain strange these boys&girls behave towards the opposite sex. I am still shocked to this day. There is a very noticeable air of -gender disconnect- at University, in circles where all the unisex private school kids hang out. It's like watching a 16th century reenactment with the men on one side of the room and the women on the other. The exceptions are the people who had a sibling or close friends of the opposite sex - while growing up. Some (not many) were involved in mixed sports or other hobbies.. in which case they have been more socialised with other men and women. But the majority - only played sports that were same-sex.. e.g. footy (men) netball (women). So other than spending so *many* hours at school with members of the same sex... they also spent much of their spare time engaging in hobbies that were likewise same-sex. IP: Logged |
rajji Knowflake Posts: 1423 From: Registered: Jan 2011
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posted April 06, 2014 11:01 PM
quote: Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme: Well I meant a place where men have no access to women and live in close proximity of each other. Chinese men have access to women it's not like they live in a place that's entirely men, and they can go other places besides China for them. Suppose they were someplace where they couldn't be near women or even in a very repressive culture where interactions between the sexes are frowned upon growing up, like India, for example. I read that in India, it's not uncommon for men's first sexual experience to be with other men and then they go on and get married. Often the marriage is arranged.
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YoursTrulyAlways Knowflake Posts: 6931 From: Registered: Oct 2011
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posted April 07, 2014 11:21 AM
Odette,I grew up entirely in unisex schools. And then I spent three years in a unisex army fratenizing only with males. I find males totally disgusting, and the concept of males turning gay beause of a lack of females totally revolting. For me, a male even remotely trying to be suggestive is a fast way for him to commit suicide. I'm not afraid. I'm disgusted. There's a difference. IP: Logged |
Sibyl Knowflake Posts: 522 From: Uranus Registered: Dec 2010
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posted April 07, 2014 03:54 PM
Dr. Phil and Letterman discuss this exact topic :-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Z5WoVL1_wY IP: Logged |
PixieJane Moderator Posts: 4243 From: CA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted April 07, 2014 04:49 PM
quote: Originally posted by Sibyl: Dr. Phil and Letterman discuss this exact topic :-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Z5WoVL1_wY
For those who want to get right to the subject (nearly 6 minutes in) it starts here: http://youtu.be/1Z5WoVL1_wY?t=5m44s It goes on to about 11:30 (a little over 5 minutes) and then drifts to other topics. And it included people talking about it OL, some of which can be applied to this thread. IP: Logged |
Sibyl Knowflake Posts: 522 From: Uranus Registered: Dec 2010
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posted April 07, 2014 05:11 PM
^  YES; and the best part: it was my number one hero speaking! (DRPH). IP: Logged |
PixieJane Moderator Posts: 4243 From: CA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted April 07, 2014 05:12 PM
quote: Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways: For me, a male even remotely trying to be suggestive is a fast way for him to commit suicide
Just curious about something, and no, not a "trap" or anything, I'm genuinely curious. I was returning from a shopping trip on foot (and bus) in January when 2 men, I'd guess about 20 and dressed in a way that makes me think of a certain college, passed me as they walked the opposite direct. One said as they walked past (and kept going), "You just scream, 'rape me'." (*) It was broad daylight with people around (though I doubt anyone heard it), but how would you react? As a man and they'd said that to you? And as a woman if they'd said that to you? (Remember, they kept going as opposed to providing any actual menace that could legally justify self-defense of any sort.) (*For those that it matters--when it shouldn't--I wore an oversized, loosely fitting tie-dyed shirt that covered everything, with cargo pants that, along with the backpack I wore, carried some groceries. I had my hair in a casual ponytail, no makeup.) And also the sexual harassment many women just learn to put up with (I often tell men who complain of gays harassing them "welcome to girl world"), a blatant one I've shared before being when I'd volunteer to set up an office Halloween party along with a few others (none of us actually worked there though we all knew someone who did). A man kept flirting furiously with me and I tried to ignore it (and focus on the job) hoping he'd take the hint I wasn't interested, but it wasn't working. An example of how he was when we were trying to put up some black curtains the rods came apart and he told me to hold mine still as he inserted his side, and then in "in and out" motions, moaning erotically, "Oh, it feels so good!" I tried changing the subject instead of just ignoring while focusing on the job and that didn't help either so I finally (over a half an hour later of his doing this off and on) said, as neutrally as I could, "That's enough, thank you." Then he stormed out (not returning) and I was thrown out for having a bad attitude (bit more complicated than that and the one who threw me out got told later that was inappropriate, but no one stopped it from happening). How would you have handled such harassment (and would it require a good lawyer after)? And how do you think I should've? IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways Knowflake Posts: 6931 From: Registered: Oct 2011
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posted April 07, 2014 05:32 PM
quote: Originally posted by PixieJane: Just curious about something, and no, not a "trap" or anything, I'm genuinely curious. I was returning from a shopping trip on foot (and bus) in January when 2 men, I'd guess about 20 and dressed in a way that makes me think of a certain college, passed me as they walked the opposite direct. One said as they walked past (and kept going), "You just scream, 'rape me'." (*) It was broad daylight with people around (though I doubt anyone heard it), but how would you react? As a man and they'd said that to you? And as a woman if they'd said that to you? (Remember, they kept going as opposed to providing any actual menace that could legally justify self-defense of any sort.)
If I were a man, I would step in to the woman's rescue and tell them to back off. If I were a woman, the "mother hen" action would be more direct.
If it were my daughter walking and these idiots outraged her modesty, I would hunt them down and make their lives extremely miserable. It's a good thing I don't have my daughters around. Regardless, if I were a woman, at college aged, I would be a third degree black belt in my martial art of choice. If I were not in New England, nothing speaks louder than a concealed carry permit and revealing a 9mm. Sexual innuendo, never mind sexual harassment, is absolutely and totally unwarranted. I have zero tolerance for deviants. I don't harass and never have. I would press charges and then file a civil suit to wreck their lives and those of their parents. And I have no sympathy for bozos. I don't flirt and I don't like women who overtly flirt with me, or at least I wouldn't give them the time of the day. Some call it arrogance. I rather call it maintaining my dignity. I don't condone the odious behavior of harassing others, whether the act of sending over a dozen drinks at the bar or cat calling from the construction site. If I didn't live in the Northeast, I would be packing heat and I wouldn't hesitate to show it. But I don't draw without putting two through the skull and one through the heart. As you can seem I'm extremely different from most guys.
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Sibyl Knowflake Posts: 522 From: Uranus Registered: Dec 2010
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posted April 07, 2014 05:50 PM
Wow, YTA!I may be wrong, but I think you have two boys? Damn, you should have had girls haha! You would have been a great dad to them. Then again it sounds like you are instilling your boys with good values, and the world really needs that. My mom's really happy I have been working out so much lately. I've become strong I think I could kick some ass... Maybe... At the very least I could probably run away really fast lol. You do not want to know the tactics I have had to stoop to in order to get away from guys in the past. I have had to pull the "dumb blonde" card one too many times. And I live in a "safe" town. Well. As safe as any student town can be. Which really doesn't say much. College guys use violence and intimidation too often. Most don't handle rejection well either because their self-esteem is so low. PixieJane, I have experienced what you describe as well. I think in the first example I would have told them to F off. I mean it was bright day? The safer option is probably just too walk away though. I'm just too combative. Which is why with the last example I ALSO (this has happened to me twice) told them to get out of my space even though the guys were drunk and in a crowd in one of the instances. Not a good idea. The crowd thing quickly turned into a fight and I ended up having to run away. The second time I got a fist flying at me. Though THANKFULLY there has always been a guy around to save me so far. His friend quite firmly tucked his hand away, and I decided it was time to leave. In other words I don't think my tactic is a good one. As a girl you're just no match, really. I'd say snug up to your guy friend or run away! Guys tend to respect each other's "territory", it's a good idea to not go out in just a group of girls.
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PixieJane Moderator Posts: 4243 From: CA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted April 07, 2014 08:53 PM
Thanks, YTA. IP: Logged |