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Vajra
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posted October 18, 2014 05:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted October 18, 2014 05:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, in America it's not uncommon for a mother to want a daughter to marry a doctor...not because he does good but because he's financially stable and probably well to do at the very least. (Not having to worry about health costs which are absurd in the US would be a bonus.)

But I'll agree that it's good that doctors go from a utilitarian perspective. I just don't think Cuba was getting the shaft for not being mentioned at having sent so many disproportionate number of doctors when they HAVE so far more doctors than they can use at home and so do this all the time no matter how major or trivial the problem is as their government requires it. I do feel bad for Cubans who even beg for aspirin from strangers visiting their country, however.

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posted October 18, 2014 08:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Evidence that either I or Shepard Smith (normally one of the crazier speakers, but now one of the lone voices of reason which is out of character for him, maybe he just doesn't like others beating him at his own game) have shifted to another universe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qj4X0MsQjM

Not sure what his motivation for this was (maybe too many sick days costing the friends of Murdoch, similar to the anthrax scares, so his bosses told him to calm the viewers down?) but it was refreshing. From a utilitarian perspective that's what the media SHOULD be like (I say utilitarian as I just can't shake the feeling that he's doing this for something other than idealistic or ethical purposes, but I should be glad he said this at all AND that FOX allowed it to air).

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posted October 19, 2014 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted October 19, 2014 06:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What makes you think I don't know about the embargo? Cuba does have trading partners despite that.

Here, something more relevant that explains the problem and why it exists in detail:
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2cac55c0-3f3f-4453-998d-7d50d1f996d3

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posted October 19, 2014 06:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted October 19, 2014 07:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fine by me. As I said originally before you veered OT, I'm neither impressed (save maybe in a utilitarian fashion) nor surprised by this "disproportionally big contribution" by Cuba.

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posted October 19, 2014 08:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It seems platelet transfusions would be easIer and cheaPer than flying poor Dr. Brantly to the scene of every new case .

The up side of these people catching is every survivor is an immune caregiver. .. who shouldn't need full hazmat to attend... those suits seem more trouble than help in some ways!

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posted October 19, 2014 09:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I read The Hot Zone many years ago. I heard an Ebola expert say that the original Ebola was a total ravager.

This strain is not as bad BUT it does mutate so no one can predict that.


However, some people got the original strain and still fought it off, so that is good.

I wish the best for everyone.

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posted October 29, 2014 08:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote


Go Israel


ISRAELI COMPANY PRODUCES EBOLA VACCINE

Teva, an Israeli drug company, has figured out how to produce an experimental vaccine called ZMapp that can potentially eradicate Ebola.

http://www.jewsnews.co.il/2014/10/29/israeli-company-produces-ebola-vaccine/

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posted October 30, 2014 09:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For Pixie Jane

CDC admits droplets from a sneeze could cause Ebola spread.


PS Pay attention to everything I say because it will all come to pass.

PPS This goes for the rest of you, too

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posted October 30, 2014 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How did Israel invent ZMapp which is the American drug that was used on Brantly and the others back in July or whenever? Which has "worked" on less than half its recipients apparently so hardly merits the "Cure" designation at this point...

Some people cant decide whether to embrace doomsday or hail Israel as the savior of us all. .

And appear to think they are infallible prophets at the same time. The Tower of Babel lives in the conspiracy/murdoch press

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posted October 30, 2014 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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How did Israel invent ZMapp which is the American drug that was used on Brantly and the others back in July or whenever? Which has "worked" on less than half its recipients apparently so hardly merits the "Cure" designation at this point...

They didn`t. To date, it`s not claimed to be a cure either.

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Teva has enlisted the help of Protalox, another Israeli company, to mass produce the drug which was developed by American and Canadian companies.

http://www.jewsnews.co.il/2014/10/29/israeli-company-produces-ebola-vaccine/

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posted October 30, 2014 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I realize shock journalism inspiring panic trumps medical science but
http://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2014/10/21/the-hot-zone-and-the-mythos-of-ebola/

I realize that's too long and calm and just can't keep the attention of people as well as scary music, over the top titles, and absurd graphics meant to glue you to the screen (or whatever) with fear so their ratings rise and thus can charge more for advertising so I'll just throw out a few items of note for those who can't stay tuned unless it's scaring them silly:

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I’m still going to criticize The Hot Zone, because as a mature infectious disease epidemiologist and a science communicator in the midst of the biggest Ebola outbreak in history, The Hot Zone is now one of the banes of my existence....Here’s why The Hot Zone is infuriating to so many of us in epidemiology and infectious diseases.

First–the description of symptoms.Preston himself admits that these were exaggerated. Over and over, he uses words like “dissolving,” “liquefy,” “bleeding out” to describe patient pathology. (If I had been playing a drinking game while reading and did a shot every time Preston uses “liquefy” in the book, I’d be dead right now)....I interviewed MSF’s [Médecins Sans Frontières, aka Doctors Without Borders] Armand Sprecher a few years back during a different Ebola outbreak, and he noted this about symptoms–quite different from the picture Preston paints:

"The patients mostly look sick and weak. If there is blood, it is not a lot, usually in the vomit or diarrhea, occasionally from the gums or nose."


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Second, airborne Ebola. Though this trope is often traced back to “Outbreak,” Preston clearly suggests that both Zaire Ebolavirus and Reston Ebolavirus can be airborne. What he never discusses nor clarifies is that the “evidence” for this potential airborne spread is really thin, and not even indicative of animal-to-animal or animal-to-person transmission.

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Third, if it wasn’t for points one and two, The Hot Zone really could be read as a “damn, Ebola really isn’t that dangerous or contagious so I have little to worry about” narrative. Preston describes many “near misses”–people who were exposed to huge amounts of “lethally hot” Ebola-laden body fluids, but never get sick–but doesn’t really bother to expose them as such. All 35 or so people on the little commuter plane Monet flies on between his plantation in western Kenya and Nairobi, deathly ill, vomiting his coffee grounds and dripping nasal blood into the airsickness bag he handed to a flight attendant–none of them come down with the disease.

(Emphasis added)

Interesting enough I've seen CDC and others say the same thing on the absurd news and yet it somehow gets ignored as the scary music starts back up, journalists ham it up, and more graphics are thrown out and the public starts dancing to the tune of fear again. What's really ironic is that I'm one of the very few (possibly only one) at LL that will say love and fear aren't opposites and that love does not drive out fear or that fear is of a "lower vibration" and yet I also seem to be one of the very few that's not panicking about the sky falling right about now.

Btw, I'll be bumping this thread (or the other one) in a few months.

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posted October 30, 2014 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If someone with ebola sneezes into your mouth you just might get it. If their sneeze hits your skin or clothing it can be WASHED OFF WITH SOAP AND WATER so if someone sneezes on you, take a shower!

I repeat, not one of the family of the Liberian casualty have contracted It WEEKS LATER

But people will buy into the most impossible fears. That is how they sell flu shots and newspapers

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posted October 30, 2014 10:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://nypost.com/2014/10/29/cdc-admits-droplets-from-a-sneeze-could-spread-ebola/

CDC admits droplets from a sneeze could spread Ebola

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posted October 31, 2014 07:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nurse defies quarantine as talks with state break down
Kaci Hickox, who treated Ebola patients, goes for a bike ride but not near public places, an act that could spark a legal fight.


This has to be a fake to make people want quarantine and to champion it. Grrrrrrrr. Bad, bad, bad

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posted November 02, 2014 12:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
CDC Admits Lying About Ebola Spread
http://joeforamerica.com/2014/11/cdc-admits-lying-ebola-spread/

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posted November 02, 2014 02:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bogus. PLUS sneezing is not a symptom of Ebola...

check Snopes they explain the disconnect very well!

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posted November 02, 2014 05:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
She didn't say sneezing was a symptom. She said it could be passed through sneezing. People sneeze.

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posted November 02, 2014 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
She didn't say sneezing was a symptom. She said it could be passed through sneezing. People sneeze.

Thank you, Randall.

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posted November 02, 2014 07:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just so it's not confused with "Ebola being spread like the common cold" as there's enough unnecessary panic in the world without people spreading more or people tuning in to irresponsible news sites:
http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/ebolaairborne.asp

Even if the very unlikely event were to result in Ebola contracted through a sneeze it still wouldn't result in what happened in Africa. There's plenty of other real problems (including diseases, even the common flu) worth more worry right now.

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posted November 02, 2014 09:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"She" didn't say anything...

but the panic spreading article is Bogus. Because people with ebola are not sneeze machines like people with flu or colds. I am trying to dispel fears caused by fearmongering gossips like the article writer..the CDC did not admit "lying" if one is interested in checking the source.

while It is always sensible to avoid being sneezed on the people who have caught ebola were people dealing with blood, vomit and diarrhea. The people spreading fear and loathing are the worst epidemic around.

That is why I referred to snopes. Thanks for the link, PJ!

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posted November 03, 2014 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have no fear of the Ebola.

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posted November 03, 2014 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting story about one of the docs who was quarantined, received an experimental drug, and is now back in the swing. Though he jabbed himself with a dirty needle in an African clinic he never contracted Ebola, whether the drug saved him no one knows!
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/after-accidental-needle-jab-doctor%E2%80%99s-ebola-watch-begins/ar-BBcIE4V?ocid=mailsignout

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