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Author Topic:   "Black" lives matter, but apparently not mine. (Rant)
Odette
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posted November 26, 2014 03:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The mother of 3 who I mentioned above in my first post was shot by a Black Man in the head for turning down his advances (because she was engaged). And you know what's sad? Is that rather than people having sympathy and feeling outrage at the crime that happened, people were questioning how good of a "mother" she was to be out anyways with 3 kids, or why she didn't "just say hi", etc. Another violent instance also happened like this (and I'm sure there are dozens more) where a Black man threw a bowling ball at a Black Womans head for turning down a drink, and yet the comments still reflected the same sentiments of how she just should have "said hi"/"let him buy her a drink".

That's really disgusting

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posted November 26, 2014 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chiemi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Odette:
I completely agree with everything you brought up. There should be much more awareness about the experiences of black women. Well said!


Thank you

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posted November 26, 2014 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PisceanDream     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I saw this on instagram and it really reminded me of this thread and your concerns...

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posted November 26, 2014 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
to the above quote.

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greatquincunx
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posted November 26, 2014 10:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for greatquincunx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wish we could go further in conversation without a gender war.

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posted November 27, 2014 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
During the Black Power era, sadly undermined, this was an issue. The womens lib movement walked alongside other civil rights issues and black women did speak out and with support from women in general. It was amazing tho how many black women refused to step out of their paradigm..

Whether a black woman its treated worse than a Pakistani woman (honor killings etc) is debatable but, yes, sadly black men don't seem to see the parallel between the way they are treated and the way they treat their women. ..

It seems a huge portion of humans are Prone to the "crab bucket syndrome" .. seeing they are trapped they will cLimb over each other to escape. ..but the craziest thing is that if one gets close to the rim those below will pull him down rather than let him get away! !

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Ami Anne
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posted November 28, 2014 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Whether a black woman its treated worse than a Pakistani woman (honor killings etc) is debatable

There are terrible things that have happened and happen due to racism on all sides of it.

However, for a women living a life where she can have acid thrown in her face for any reason, have her genitals mutilated( as due course) and be able to be MURDERED for the smallest of reasons does not relate. That is Sharia Law.

In Sharia Law, a women has MUCH. MUCH, MUCH FEWER rights than a dog in the US. The dogs has rights to protect him.

ANY FEMALE UNDER SHARIA LAW CAN BE THROWN OUT OF THE CAR LIKE A USELESS TISSUE. Her Murderer faces NO charges

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BellaFenice
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posted November 28, 2014 03:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami, I am going to tell you the same thing I told athene a few days ago:

Pain is NOT a contest. It is not an Olympic event where only the most inhumane and brutal experiences are allowed to be sympathized with and respected. All pain has worth and value, and simply because the American Black woman does not live under Sharia law does not mean these concerns aren't valid. You did the same thing in the rape thread months ago, and was probably one of the most if not worst things I have read.

In fact, you ironically prove Chiemi's point by marginalizing her feelings here. I was particularly grossed out by your "Pure Brilliance" comment the other day that was clearly gaslighting Chiemi. She didn't deserve that and you darn well know that. Obviously the two situations are different, but Catalina was trying to make an analogy that Black women are seriously repressed in America.

Making a random post about a Black woman losing her pastry store doesn't make your comment okay. The bottom line is that this thread was made to give Chiemi a platform and voice, not to marginalize her. Selective empathy is not a good thing to promote. What is needed here is love and compassion.

Bottom line: lets make SP a safe place by allowing people to share their pain without being marginalized. Lets show Chiemi some love, not displacement of her concern.

I don't want to derail this thread anymore because important dialogue is going on, but if you take umbrage with what I said, meet me in the punching bag thread.

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posted November 28, 2014 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't mean to imply that black men are the only culprits here either!. It is systemic ...however while it is maybe even more demoralizing when one does have rights to have them ignored/denied, it is up to each of us to know and demand our rights until we see them honoured. As do many women in other cultures even though their laws would deny those Human rights. All lives matter.

It may be hard to see when everything is roiled up, but these are the times when Progress can be made. We all just need to try even harder

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posted November 28, 2014 10:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are some very educated and smart women in here!! Bella, you've got to be my favorite. I admire your intelligence.

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posted December 01, 2014 09:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I completely agree with everything you said
Chiemi

It truly disheartens me too.
I have to detach myself from it or else I'll get too upset, I'm quite the empath and pick up many things naturally, so it's very stressful for me to *connect to other burdens in my life.

Just today I was reading about some insider of hollywood and I became physically ill reading it to the point it disturbed my sleep, very strange.. but.. it happens for some reason when I read about bad worldly issues a lot.

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posted December 01, 2014 11:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Hanna, thanks girl, I really like you too! Aries women are the shi.t, admire their boldness and confidence.

@Karka, I feel the same way. Some of the cruel things I read about the world makes my stomach flip.

@Chiemi, if you want the thread to keep going, I have some articles you might be interested in reading.

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posted December 01, 2014 11:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maka     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for posting this.

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posted December 02, 2014 02:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LovelyAries86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Chiemi:
Just a Mini Vent/Rant (not sorry if you're "offended")

What gets me the most is that to be “black” in the black community and in the world at large is to be a Man.

Why is it that over and over only stories of violence against black men and boys are featured? Why aren't there any riots for Renisha Mcbride, Tanesha Anderson, and the many other countless black girls and women killed and harmed every other day? Where was the outrage when a black mother of 3 was shot after saying no to a mans advances?

Where is the outrage then? Where are the black men and women on the streets rioting for their little girls? Why is everyone so silent about these issues and yet we constantly remind black women to think of our “brothers, sons, and fathers” and yet never ask our men to think of their “daughters, sisters, and mothers” when these same women are the MAJORITY on the front lines every time fighting in these riots. Not to mention so many of these women were locked up and in some cases killed and yet everyone is silent.

This just irritates me. There’s no reciprocity and it doesn't even take a blind man to see it. While I’m truly sad for Brown’s family, you WILL NOT see me marching for a community that truly DOES NOT care whether I live or die. Will there be silence for me too if I'm gone?

Is "Black Power" not for little black girls and women too?

And also let's not forget to mention the lack of "outrage" and the abundance of silence when it comes to black on black violence.

/Rant over. I'll probably delete this later, just needed to get this off my chest.


Wow.

I truly appreciate your honesty. I can relate. And I agree that there is definitely not enough reciprocity - in terms of black men fighting *for* black women the way they fight for black men.

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posted December 02, 2014 03:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LovelyAries86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Chiemi,
I get what you are saying and you do kind of have a point. IMO it's no different than what you see with white americans. People are more likely to raise h*ll if a white girl is hurt than they would be if it was a white boy.

Interesting point there also!

Truly makes no sense to me why 'all lives' aren't equally important.

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posted December 02, 2014 03:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LovelyAries86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Catalina:
sadly black men don't seem to see the parallel between the way they are treated and the way they treat their women. ..


BINGO!

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Ami Anne
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posted December 03, 2014 07:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is what gets me really down now. If society is telling you ANYTHING, you are screwed.

There are so, so,so few independent thinkers out there and that is the real curse in society more than anything( in our democratic society. If you talk about Sharia law, that is different because there is NO freedom)

However, for a democratic society, each person MUST find his sense of values separate from the society.

It is much harder for a group that has been abused. That challenge is very, very, very real.

However, the challenge is the same, at the root imo

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posted December 03, 2014 08:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bottom line, if anyone prevents you from getting economic security and prosperity, that person is your ENEMY.


People don't see that. They fight each other.

The only way out of racism, to the degree one can make it as minimal as possible because hatred will always be there among humans, is to become economically successful.

Then, the lines between people are the MOST blurred. Are they totally blurred? NO

Watch the politicians who do not help YOU get your own business and do your OWN thing.

They are your enemies, not each other and not even society, as a whole.

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Bottom line, if anyone prevents you from getting economic security and prosperity, that person is your ENEMY.


People don't see that. They fight each other.

The only way out of racism, to the degree one can make it as minimal as possible because hatred will always be there among humans, is to become economically successful.

Then, the lines between people are the MOST blurred. Are they totally blurred? NO

Watch the politicians who do not help YOU get your own business and do your OWN thing.

They are your enemies, not each other and not even society, as a whole.


Apparently when people are more economically prosperous the dating/relationship lines become more blurred too.

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posted December 03, 2014 10:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
YES, in the same economic class( a prosperous one) differences are the MOST muted they can be.

On this earth, there will always be hate. It is the nature of it

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posted December 04, 2014 08:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
I have to detach myself from it or else I'll get too upset, I'm quite the empath and pick up many things naturally, so it's very stressful for me to *connect to other burdens in my life.

Just today I was reading about some insider of hollywood and I became physically ill reading it to the point it disturbed my sleep, very strange.. but.. it happens for some reason when I read about bad worldly issues a lot.


This got me curious, but as I didn't want to derail this thread I asked my question here. Just making sure you saw it, I won't bother you again with it.

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