posted August 22, 2008 07:46 PM            

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Yes, they are receptive. They can only receive, not give.

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Yes, a good way of putting it.

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What would you say about his ERos in Pisces square her Sagittarius ASC and her Eros in Cancer trine his Pisces ASC? His Eros falls into her 3rd house (4th house in equal), while her ERos falls into his 5th house (and in equal her Eros is in his 4th house conjunct his 5th house cusp).
How would that play out?
(They have a mutual reception between chartrulers from Pisces to Sagittarius actually, and she has Neptune conjunct ASC, so I guess that might give some common ground).

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OK, the fact that she has neptune conj asc changes things and makes things slightly to his favour. What he eroticises is a girl with neptunian/piscean qualities. I think the key here is also that he likes is mutable. Sag is also mutable but a different type of mutable. He likes mutable in emotions, someone who morphs their emotions, has a wide range of emotions maybe. Sag is mutable but maybe in a more physical sense, intuitive or philosophical sense. So he's finding her erotic because she is mutable (sag) but its not his type of mutable. He realises this, feels uncomfortable because he know its not the exact match but is still turned on enough to pursue it. The fact that she has neptune there however may make her more piscean and therefore push him closer to her. However, the face that neptune is squ eros mean that again there's a level of friction there. Maybe nep is expressing the wrong type of neptunian qualities to eros here, maybe neptune is deceiving eros somehow. Maybe eros is sending eroticism to neptune but the signal's not quite right and neptune isn't enjoying it.

Another example is for example, DD says that her erotic ideal is a German man with blue eyes and blonde hair. She specifically loves blue eyed men. DD however gets uncomfortable erotic emotions because she fell for a blue eyed, blonde haired Frenchman. DD might not be able to speak French but she still is very erotically attracted to Frenchman, Frenchman too is attracted in a receptive way, he knows and likes the fact that he has caught DD's eye but is appreciative of it. Frenchman fits criteria of blonde hair and blue eyes (mutable pisces v mutable sag) but it's not quite the match (French v German, eros squ asc). Also there maybe communication difficulties as neither speak the other's language and frustration, friction ensues and confusion (eros squ nep).

Now if DD fell for maybe for:
* A blue eyed, blonde haired German - asc conj eros
* A blue eyed, brown haired German - asc trine eros (eg sag/leo)
* A blue eyed, red headed German - asc trine eros (eg sag/aries)
* A brown eyed, brown haired German - asc sextile eros
* A green eyed, brown haired German - asc sextile eros
* A blonde haired, blue eyed Dutchman - asc opp eros

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Mutual reception would tighten the connection further.

As for the houses, that's house overlay. So if eros falls in the 3rd, then the 3rd houser in the connection will express themselves erotically to the eros person in very communicative way (ie talking to them erotically). Again, there might be a bit going back the other way, that is, maybe eros person was bit erotic with them first and provoked this response from the houser.

Likewise, 4th house. 4th house person is erotic with eros person in an emotional/visceral way in a very private way/location - eg at home. No public display of affections.

5th house is traditionally the house of sex but maybe in the modern sense, quick flings, summer romances, crushes, flirty love etc. So eros person would stimulate house person to display eroticism in this way.

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"be even feels a bit of erotic attraction as well in an inactionable way."


Is it like when you start really liking someone, just when you notice how much he is drawn to you? (of course there had to be a basic interest before)

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Yes kind of, but then I think maybe this is anteros is getting involved too, when you act is anteros*.

* Must explain to you the anteros theory

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"t to get to know the person, but I don't think there is any intensity/depth to do with pluto."


The thing he has in common with Pluto, though, is that we become deeply transformed. Just in Eros`case the choice of his "weapons" are different. In this case we become transformed by love and lust and I do t hink this is intense, even though not as dark as Pluto`s obsessions.

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Oh I don't say that there is no transformation, I just don't think that eros purposely seeks it out (transformation just happens to be by-product) but that Pluto does (either consciously or subconsciously). Every relationship and major experience transforms a person. I think eros is very martian (and venus). Eros is primarily about lust. Lust can be switched off when the object is removed. Mars of course rules Sco but with pluto. Pluto on the other hand creates the connection, the scene is repeated in the person's head over and over again. The scene though is mars (lust).*

* That is probably the difference between Aries and Sco too. Aries acts immediately upon the object with lust, get it while you can. Sco waits, pluto allows the bond to occur to act later.

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What about a conjunction of his Eros to her Pluto and an exact square of his Pluto to her Eros. Would she been extremely unsettled by his darker expressions? 
It`s even relationship-relevant, as his Pluto is in his 7th house and her Eros in his 5th (for her it is her Eros in her 8th house and his Pluto in her 10th house).
In the case of the Eros-Pluto-conjunction it`s on her MC and falls into his 7th house.

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Well conj is good and bad. Square is more fricative but can be acted upon. The square is a bit like acne, constant treatment is required, maybe the problem though never goes away. Well pluto is shady hades so the darker qualities will attract eros. Eros might be turned on by how dirty it really is. The feeling will be dependent on whether its the squ or conj. Squ might repulsively attract, like when a film is so bad that you love watching it.

As for the houses, it's basic house overlay. The fact that the conj falls on MC makes it extremely powerful as it shows the nature of the future of the relationship or how it will play out. In the 7th, its the house of one-on-one relationship so for him it colours his relationship with her, she makes him express the "bad boy" to her, she gets turned on by it. As for the actual houses in the natal charts, well eros shows where the person expresses it.

posted August 23, 2008 05:21 AM              

"OK, the fact that she has neptune conj asc changes things and makes things slightly to his favour."
Why to HIS favour? Wouldn`t it be to her favour, as she has at least a little bit of the qualities, he`s drawn to? BTW she is me of course, and Jupiter, as ruler of my Sun, Mercury, Mars, NN and last but not least ASC is in Pisces, closely conjunct his Eros.

" What he eroticises is a girl with neptunian/piscean qualities."
By "eroticises" you mean he is erotically touched?

"He realises this, feels uncomfortable because he know its not the exact match but is still turned on enough to pursue it."

"Maybe eros is sending eroticism to neptune but the signal's not quite right and neptune isn't enjoying it."
I don´t know if he send any eroticism, but Neptune is a bit unsettled by that unexpected sudden attraction.

"nother example is for example, DD says that her erotic ideal is a German man with blue eyes and blonde hair."
How do you know he looks like that?
And I always thought I was more for the brownhaired, darkeyed guys (even though it`s not really true, if I go back deep into my past)

" She specifically loves blue eyed men. DD however gets uncomfortable erotic emotions because she fell for a blue eyed, blonde haired Frenchman. DD might not be able to speak French but she still is very erotically attracted to Frenchman,"
Yes, that would be if my Eros was square his ASC, right?
So, in this case he is attracted to a completely different type t han I am, but yet probably intrigued, because there is this connection between his Eros and my ASC. But it is an uncomfortable attraction, because I am not his type (square).

posted August 23, 2008 05:21 AM              

"* A blonde haired, blue eyed Dutchman - asc opp eros"
This one broke my heart! You know him?

No ASC-opp.Eros-though. His ERos was trine my ASC. (and square my Venus and opposite my Pluto, making this a neat little painful T-square)

"So if eros falls in the 3rd, then the 3rd houser in the connection will express themselves erotically to the eros person in very communicative way (ie talking to them erotically)."
So, the 3rd house person will be affected by his Eros and integrate it and express it in a 3rd house manner, erotic talk? But she will do the talking, since it`s her 3rd house?

" Again, there might be a bit going back the other way, that is, maybe eros person was bit erotic with them first and provoked this response from the houser."
YEah, because the houses are receptive, right?

"Likewise, 4th house. 4th house person is erotic with eros person in an emotional/visceral way in a very private way/location - eg at home. No public display of affections."
Do you prefer Placidus or equal houses?

"5th house is traditionally the house of sex but maybe in the modern sense, quick flings, summer romances, crushes, flirty love etc. So eros person would stimulate house person to display eroticism in this way."

posted August 23, 2008 05:22 AM              

* Must explain to you the anteros theory"
How interesting. WE had started to try to grasp the meaning of Atneros in another thread.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/018762.html

(You gave a great link, but unfortunately not your opinion on Anteros and I am so curious)

But I`d like to know YOUR take on this.

"transformation just happens to be by-product)"
Yes, that`s what I meant. But still transformation happens, because love always transforms. But you don´t come together FOR the transformation, but because of the attraction and lust and passion you feel.

" I think eros is very martian (and venus)."
Yes, think he might be even a bit more martian, as he is quite active.

"Eros might be turned on by how dirty it really is. The feeling will be dependent on whether its the squ or conj. Squ might repulsively attract, like when a film is so bad that you love watching it."
Yes, seeing that I am the Eros person, who is squared exactly by his Pluto. I really didn`t want to be attracted. Really.

"The fact that the conj falls on MC makes it extremely powerful as it shows the nature of the future of the relationship or how it will play out."
That is an interesting take on the MC. (I have heard it for the second time only). So MC is not just public image, but has something to do with the future. So in a relationship having some conjunctions to MC, would be actually a good sign?

" In the 7th, its the house of one-on-one relationship so for him it colours his relationship with her, she makes him express the "bad boy" to her, she gets turned on by it."
ROFL You have NO idea how much on spot that is. At least in a creative, artistic sense.

" As for the actual houses in the natal charts, well eros shows where the person expresses it."
So where my Eros falls in my house and where his falls into his hosue?

posted August 23, 2008 10:41 AM              

I love your theories on the Ascendant, and I agree with them entirely. And thanks for your link to Aha – I haven't heard that since it came out back in the 80s.

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OK, the fact that she has neptune conj asc changes things and makes things slightly to his favour. What he eroticises is a girl with neptunian/piscean qualities. I think the key here is also that he likes is mutable. Sag is also mutable but a different type of mutable. He likes mutable in emotions, someone who morphs their emotions, has a wide range of emotions maybe. Sag is mutable but maybe in a more physical sense, intuitive or philosophical sense. So he's finding her erotic because she is mutable (sag) but its not his type of mutable. He realises this, feels uncomfortable because he know its not the exact match but is still turned on enough to pursue it. The fact that she has neptune there however may make her more piscean and therefore push him closer to her. However, the face that neptune is squ eros mean that again there's a level of friction there. Maybe nep is expressing the wrong type of neptunian qualities to eros here, maybe neptune is deceiving eros somehow. Maybe eros is sending eroticism to neptune but the signal's not quite right and neptune isn't enjoying it.

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It would work in this case: a man's Eros conjunct a woman's Virgo Venus/Pluto conjunction in the 8th house. The same man's Venus is square her Sagittarian Ascendant, meaning the square in this case meant he is attracted to her mutable Sagittarian energy erotically without wanting to be so because it's not his type of mutability, but this is softened and deepened by his Eros conjunction to her Venus/Pluto.

However, if that Sagittarian Ascendant was conjunct her own Eros, putting a load of Eros squares into the mix, that could get pretty uncomfortable right?

Oh, now having read that you think an Eros/Pluto conjunction is good and bad, could you explain how so?

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then I think maybe this is anteros is getting involved too, when you act is anteros*
* Must explain to you the anteros theory

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Please explain. This is something that has been the subject of recent discussion here. Check out the link DD gave you.

Darkdreamer: I didn't mean to say that the opposition was an aspect of dislike, but perhaps "offset" at times. I was trying to say the in areas where Cupido was in opposition to something in our natal chart, it might be an area where the look of a thing didn't matter to us to much or didn't appeal to us especially (AS the look), ie. if we had Cupido opposite our own Sun we might not care how we looked? As opposed to Cupido conjunct Sun = vanity. But it wouldn't mean we necessarily looked awful or dressed like hobos – just that it wasn't that important to us.

As to seeing things, yes, Cupido as being able to see things as a form of understanding - but not in a deep emotive way rather in a clear apparent way - in synastry contacts; such as seeing (and liking) how someone's feels (Moon), is (Sun), appears (Ascendant), thinks (Mercury), etc.

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What do you think, who would fall for whom?
Cupid for Pluto?

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Definitely Cupido strikes me as the captivated one in most aspects. But like with most dynamics it will materialise mutually too.

posted August 23, 2008 08:25 PM            

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Thank you, 23, for that very detailed explanation. I love your examples. They make things so clear.

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Thanks DD, pleasure to help . I'm learning a lot too myself.

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"OK, the fact that she has neptune conj asc changes things and makes things slightly to his favour."
Why to HIS favour? Wouldn`t it be to her favour, as she has at least a little bit of the qualities, he`s drawn to? BTW she is me of course, and Jupiter, as ruler of my Sun, Mercury, Mars, NN and last but not least ASC is in Pisces, closely conjunct his Eros.
" What he eroticises is a girl with neptunian/piscean qualities."
By "eroticises" you mean he is erotically touched?

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Oh no, when I said "favour", I didn't mean it necessarily in terms of competition between the two. I mean that her neptune would flavour the asc to match her asc more with what he finds erotic (eros in pisces). Of course, if you look at the actual nep squ eros, then there might be a bit of competition there, such that it is a square relationship, tension. The square between a point and planet maybe a bit different, the planet really can't have a boxing match with a point (such as asc) because its not a force as such.

As for the asc, I'm a bit confused. I thought you were sag asc. Are you talking of the other person, do they have pisces asc with eros on his asc?
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum23/HTML/000002-7.html

Eroticises - I suppose he finds erotic girls/people with pisces/neptune qualities. You see, the majority of us (like me for example; eros in aqu) don't have eros or psyche in pisces, so we don't really find pisces an exact erotic turn on (excluding squares and oppositions in this case, ie eros/psyche people in sag, gem, virgo). So we don't "eroticise" them. But people who have eros in pisces, will place their ideal on an erotic pedestal so to speak, they seem them as the erotic ideal, they "eroticise" them.

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"Maybe eros is sending eroticism to neptune but the signal's not quite right and neptune isn't enjoying it."
I don´t know if he send any eroticism, but Neptune is a bit unsettled by that unexpected sudden attraction.

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"nother example is for example, DD says that her erotic ideal is a German man with blue eyes and blonde hair."
How do you know he looks like that? 
And I always thought I was more for the brownhaired, darkeyed guys (even though it`s not really true, if I go back deep into my past)

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LOL, serendipidity!

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" She specifically loves blue eyed men. DD however gets uncomfortable erotic emotions because she fell for a blue eyed, blonde haired Frenchman. DD might not be able to speak French but she still is very erotically attracted to Frenchman,"


Yes, that would be if my Eros was square his ASC, right?
So, in this case he is attracted to a completely different type t han I am, but yet probably intrigued, because there is this connection between his Eros and my ASC. But it is an uncomfortable attraction, because I am not his type (square).

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Yes, your eros squ his asc. What he is attracted to would be determined by his venus and eros (specially here), his asc bears no relationship to what he *exactly* finds attractive. What his asc is doing here, is appreciating the attraction even though he might be a bit thrown off, shocked, maybe uncomfortable, but I think he would still encourage it. Receptive attraction too as you put it.

posted August 23, 2008 08:36 PM            

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"* A blue eyed, brown haired German - asc trine eros (eg sag/leo)
* A blue eyed, red headed German - asc trine eros (eg sag/aries)"
So that would be the other contact, my Eros trine his ASC?

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I should add that this example was quickly thought out, it might not be perfect. But here the blue eyes in particular is the conj (but trine good enough), the German part is the harmonious aspect (trine, sextile), hair colour that is not blonde is not the exact match (ie not conj).

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"* A blonde haired, blue eyed Dutchman - asc opp eros"


This one broke my heart! You know him?
No ASC-opp.Eros-though. His ERos was trine my ASC. (and square my Venus and opposite my Pluto, making this a neat little painful T-square)

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Lol, again, a lucky guess. I said Dutchman specifically for this example because Dutch is still Germanic, yet opposite to German, same yet different. Like leo and aquarius for example. Squares of course would be something like French and Russian, historically, culturally, linguistically disagreeing yet still linked because they are/have been European powers (ie fixed, mutable, cardinal).

As for your case, that's interesting. He liked the way you looked - harmonious. As for the other stuff, the square kind of compelled you to like him (venus squ) even though you knew it was trouble of some sort. You pluto wanted to latch onto him.

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"So if eros falls in the 3rd, then the 3rd houser in the connection will express themselves erotically to the eros person in very communicative way (ie talking to them erotically)."
So, the 3rd house person will be affected by his Eros and integrate it and express it in a 3rd house manner, erotic talk? But she will do the talking, since it`s her 3rd house?
" Again, there might be a bit going back the other way, that is, maybe eros person was bit erotic with them first and provoked this response from the houser."
YEah, because the houses are receptive, right?

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Yes well that's where reception may get confusing. We said the asc is receptive in contacts with planets/asteroids. Maybe that's because its an aspect. By placing a planet in a house, that's not really a contact (aspect) as such, so maybe reception rules won't be as clear here. But yeah, I think that the houser would act in that way, planet person might act back a bit through reflection (basic law of physics - angle of incidence equals angle of reflection). Some people might say its the planet person that acts out those things, so eros person who puts eros in 3rd might be speaking erotically.

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Do you prefer Placidus or equal houses?

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I should also add that 5th house is to with grand displays and drama or romance and love. The big flowers, the showering with over the top gifts, very creative and extravagant displays of affection etc.

Compare to 8th: (done in a secret whisper) "meet behind the shed later"
Compare to 1st: (done in a very direct way with aggression) "you, me, car park, NOW"

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Yes, seeing that I am the Eros person, who is squared exactly by his Pluto. I really didn`t want to be attracted. Really.

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"The fact that the conj falls on MC makes it extremely powerful as it shows the nature of the future of the relationship or how it will play out."
That is an interesting take on the MC. (I have heard it for the second time only). So MC is not just public image, but has something to do with the future. So in a relationship having some conjunctions to MC, would be actually a good sign?

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Any aspect that is conj the angles, whichever one it is, is heightened. Just like any planet that falls near an angle is accidentially dignified. For example, sexual attraction involving mars not only happens with the placement of mars in the 1st, 5th, 8th etc, its also if the mars conj AC, DC, IC, MC.

Re MC - of course, the aspect would be very publicly diplayed in the relationship for the world to see. I think the MC must have something to do with the direction of the person, event, relationship; if the IC and SN can be used for the familial past, kharmic past, why can't MC be used for the future like NN.

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" As for the actual houses in the natal charts, well eros shows where the person expresses it."
So where my Eros falls in my house and where his falls into his hosue?

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posted August 23, 2008 08:46 PM            

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Wow, what a great interpetation.
It would work in this case: a man's Eros conjunct a woman's Virgo Venus/Pluto conjunction in the 8th house. The same man's Venus is square her Sagittarian Ascendant, meaning the square in this case meant he is attracted to her mutable Sagittarian energy erotically without wanting to be so because it's not his type of mutability, but this is softened and deepened by his Eros conjunction to her Venus/Pluto.

However, if that Sagittarian Ascendant was conjunct her own Eros, putting a load of Eros squares into the mix, that could get pretty uncomfortable right?

Oh, now having read that you think an Eros/Pluto conjunction is good and bad, could you explain how so?

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Thanks bvanzy

Yes mutability for virgo venus and sag asc. Yes the conj between her venus/pluto and eros is also softening him up, flavouring it to his liking. He would like her darker/seedier/bad girl side, the way she penetrates. He would also love her feminine expression, values etc.

Well eros squ eros is interesting. I have this with my partner myself, I'm aqu, he's tau but his eros falls on my anti-vx. I think with your case, its the mutability rule a bit that might add attraction, sag v virgo. She knows he's mutable but not the type she wants yet she's attracted to him. Eros acting a bit like mars, this also happens with mars. I've met men with mars in virgo. My mars is in gem, I still find them attractive though (notwithstanding that their mars might have a good chance of falling on my fifth).

As for actually eros-pluto conj, its good and bad because its a conj. Conj are good and bad by nature; they are probably the most powerful because of this duality (which the other aspects don't possess). Conj attract on the basis of being the same/familiarity yet familiarity breeds contempt. Also you must look to other aspects in the chart maybe to see if the good or bad qualities come out. Eg venus conj these two might heighten the good/bad quality as might sag eros as it is square to the three. See if there are any trines or sextiles for example to make the interaction more pleasant.

posted August 23, 2008 09:01 PM            

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Please explain. This is something that has been the subject of recent discussion here. Check out the link DD gave you.

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OK re Anteros. I think I misused "theory", maybe it should be analogy. I can't really say that I disagree with what DD has said, also this is backed up by the mythology of Anteros:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anteros

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In Greek mythology, Anteros (Greek: Αντέρως, Anterôs) was the god of requited love, literally "love returned," and also the punisher of those who scorn love and the advances of others, or the avenger of unrequited love. ...

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Describing the nature of the emotion, Plato asserts that it is the result of the great love that a lover has for a boy. The lover, inspired by the beauty of the boy, is filled with divine love and it overflows from him to the boy, "filling the soul of the loved one with love in return." As a result, the boy falls in love with his lover, though he neither thinks nor speaks of it as love, but as friendship. His experience of pain when the two are apart, and relief when they are together, the mirror image of the lover's feelings, is anteros, or "counter-love."[4]...

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I think anteros seeks the love returned of more accurately, the quality of the planet/point it is making an aspect to.

So for example, I have anteros 1 degree in Tau. I seek maybe a beautiful, sensuous return of love. A celebrity crush of mine has mars in aries at 29 deg. These two are an out of sign conjunction. What I seek from the crush though specifically are his arian mars attributes, I love his masculinity, sexuality, his directness etc not withstanding the aries v tau issue. I want him to return that to me. He just might return it to me.

If my anteros was say conj with a man's venus who as was 1 deg tau, then that would be my ideal match as to what I would consider to be the ideal femininity, charm and values in a male. I would expect his venus part to be returned. Likewise, if his venus was 1 deg cap, its different yet still highly compatible (both earth). If it was 1 deg aqu, then I like the fixed qualities of his affections (venus) but it clashed with the type that I seek (anteros in tau), might feel uncomfortable for both of us but I still accept it. If maybe the love was not returned in any of these cases (most likely the squ or a negative aspect), then I will react by avenging them in a tau way, ie by being placid first and then charging at them like a bull in a china shop. Then they might love me depending on the rest of the chart.

I like to see Anteros as a mirror we have taped to the front of the chest. Each sign has its own reflective mirror that picks up on different things (ie each has their own version of anteros). This mirror picks up on the reflection of other things, for example if you shine your mirror onto someone else's hair, diamond ring, tie etc they might shine back (these things are like planets and points making contact back with anteros -positive). Likewise, if they don't shine back or don't shine in a nice way - negative. If you shine the mirror onto someone else's mirror and they shine back an image you like, then that's a positive anteros-anteros aspect. If they refuse to shine back or shine back something that you are attracted to but are uncomfortable with, then that's anteros-anteros negative aspect. Now avengance occurs when anteros deliberately catches the light of the sun and blinds the owner of these items/mirrors, much like naughty students who shine their watch dials into teachers' faces by directing the sunshine when I was at school.

posted August 23, 2008 09:15 PM            

However, I say if you have any problems, always resort to the mythology behind the asteroids and then use logic.

As for cupido:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cupid

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Lineage

Given that Cupid is a personification of love, and in particular sexual love, the ancients faced a difficult dilemma when they had to account for his parentage. If sexual love did not exist yet, by what process could they give birth to the god of love?
Accordingly, there are many different stories about Cupid's parentage. Cicero provides three different lineages: son of Mercury (Hermes) and Diana (Artemis), son of Mercury and Venus (Aphrodite), and son of Mars (Ares in Greek mythology) and Venus. It seems that Cupid did not gain parents until later Greek antiquity. According to Hesiod's Theogony, the most ancient Greek theoography, Eros - the Greek equivalent of Cupid - was created coevally with Chaos and the earth.
Throughout ancient mythological writing, there appear to be either two Cupids or two sides to the figure of Cupid. One is this the son of Jupiter (Zeus) and Venus. He is a lively youth who delights in pranks and spreading love. The other is a son of Nyx and Erebus, known for riotous debauchery.

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Bit confusing, personally I'd stick to cupido being the sun of venus and jupiter. Venus is about love and cupid uses a BOW. Very sagittarian. Pranks and specifically SPREADING love is expansion and jovial.

If you read the start of the wiki article, it says that cupid is equated to eros and amor. So if, eros is smitten and feeling erotically turned on, then cupid would be cuipdly turned on and feeling smitten. So, the analysis that follows is the same, sign determines how cupid person will play pranks and how love is spread and house shows where it is done. So for example, if cupid sees psyche and they are conj, cupid knows that its his cupid ideal and knows she will take the joke well if a prank is played on her and that she will accept the love that is spread from him.

Cupid - venus + jupiter. Eros - venus + mars; think how aries and sag would react to the same situation.**

** Maybe if we look to the midpoint of mars-venus and jupiter-venus in our own chart, that might add further to the way we express our eros and cupid??

As for venus-eros aspect. Old celebrity crush has his mars/eros conj pounding 23's venus (trine). Plus celebrity crush has his sun/venus opposing her venus, his jupiter on her venus. Celebrity crush also has mars/eros squaring 23's saturn and 23's eros is square his moon/psyche which are hovering very closely to her anti-VX (and SN). To make things worse, 23's ophelia is conj her anteros ophelia squ her sun/merc (yet ophelia is out of aspect to all other planets except sun/merc); celebrity crush's anteros is 3.5deg out of sign trine with 23's sun/merc. OUCH. Of course he would feel it all himself, Newton's third law - for every action (force) there is an equal and opposite reaction (force).

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Interestingly his Moon is conjunct my Sun, the ruler of his DSC is closely conjunct my ASC and the ruler of his 5th house is conjunct my Sun. I guess that would have to be taken into account, too, wouldn`it? It may work on a different level, not so much erotic, but somehow I like the sound and look of it.

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Well I guess it all can be taken into account. You can do house ruler comparisons in your natal chart, so we do it in synastry as well. As for the things that you have mentioned, as you said, its not erotic stuff, that's major compatibility and it should be looked first.

posted August 24, 2008 08:55 AM            

Also...fascinating what you mentioned about the MC contacts in synastry. If they indicate the future, do you mean a next life, or a future/later time in this one? And what would determine that time? A transit? Great stuff!!!

Snohawk...you have to go to the bottom of the extended chart selection page. On the left, click on "Asteroid Name Number List..." and they are all listed by number. Type the number into the box where it says "Additonal asteroids."

Psyche is 16, Eros is 433, etc.

posted August 24, 2008 11:17 AM              

I don`t think aspects work at offset (that is if I understand the word "offset" right; it means "negate, undo something", doesn`t it? Sorry, if this is wrong, English is not my mother tongue, as you surely have already noticed. ).

If there is an aspect between two points, they are connected. So my Cupid opposing my Moon, means there is a connection between my emotions and whatever Cupid means, some playful erotic feelings I guess.
The opposition now only shows how energetic or how smooth the connection is. In this case it`s a rather intense one. So, I guess I SEE my feelings rather well, but sense this as somewhat challenging, as my Cupid in Leo in 8th house seems to tell me to surrender to my most playful, dramatic, yet intense and passionate erotic feelings, while my Moon in Aquarius in 2nd house seems to want for a more detached, security-oriented style of emotional expression.
But it`s not that I don`t see my feelings or emotions; I do so very well, just maybe I don`t always like it and sometimes have to choose between both styles.

posted August 24, 2008 11:43 AM              

"As for the asc, I'm a bit confused. I thought you were sag asc. Are you talking of the other person, do they have pisces asc with eros on his asc?"
Sorry about the confusion.
I`m the one with Sag-ASC conjunct Neptune and Eros in Cancer.
He`s the one with Pisces - ASC and Eros in Pisces (though not conjunct his ASC).

"Eroticises - I suppose he finds erotic girls/people with pisces/neptune qualities."
So, seeing that I have Eros in Cancer, I would find guys with Cancer / lunar qualities erotic?

" You see, the majority of us (like me for example; eros in aqu)"
Your Eros is in my Psyche-sign.

"(excluding squares and oppositions in this case, ie eros/psyche people in sag, gem, virgo)."
Just to be really clear about it: You say that squares and oppositions, even though complicated and probably mixed with challenges and even a bit of repulsion, are still a TURN ON.
Like, I (Eros in Cancer) would be turned on by people with placements in Aries, Cancer, Libra or Capricorn?
WEll, it fits, actually Aries, Libra and Capricorn are those people I seem to fall constantly for (along with Sagittarius interestingly).

"Yes, your eros squ his asc."
Hmm I think I got confused here myself. It was his Eros squaring my ASC.

" What he is attracted to would be determined by his venus and eros (specially here)"
You mean specially ERos?
WEll, his Venus is in Capricorn as well as mine. WE even both have a square to Pluto (been born 5 years apart).
And as I just noticed in the Erosreport Kim sent me, we have a dw on Venus-Eros, even though she uses fairly wide orbs.
His Venus opposes my Eros by almost 5° and my Venus sextiles his Eros by 2°.

" the square kind of compelled you to like him (venus squ) even though you knew it was trouble of some sort. You pluto wanted to latch onto him."
Yes, definitely. Very painful. But we have a very Plutonian synastry along with Pluto-Venus-trine and Pluto-Mars - square and Pluto-ASC-square.

posted August 24, 2008 12:13 PM            

His N eros square my N psyche (1)
His N psyche sextile my N eros (1)
my solstice psyche OPPOSES his N eros (2)
his solstice eros OPPOSES my N psyche (3)
his Dr eros CONJUNCT my N eros (2)

posted August 24, 2008 12:17 PM              

"Sorry no excuses, you can't get out of it - see Newton's 3rd law"
Sorry to be ignorant, what is Newton`s 3rd law?
I can`t get out of it?
I`m shocked. LOL
Honestly, this attraction to him is just... irrational (sais my Aquarius-Moon).

" if the IC and SN can be used for the familial past, kharmic past, why can't MC be used for the future like NN."
Definitely.

"So for example, I have anteros 1 degree in Tau. What I seek from the crush though specifically are his arian mars attributes, I love his masculinity, sexuality, his directness etc not withstanding the aries v tau issue."
So you would say that ANTEROS is the attracted one?
What is the difference to Eros then?
That Anteros expects the other to return his feelings? Whereas Eros plunges into his feelings without thinking about what will be coming back to him?

" If maybe the love was not returned in any of these cases (most likely the squ or a negative aspect)"
So, I guess I am doomed than, as his Anteros is square my Eros. Or is he the one being doomed?

", then I will react by avenging them in a tau way"
Oh be careful then, world! For my Anteros is in Scorpio.

"Then they might love me depending on the rest of the chart."
So, it wouldn`t end there?
Does that mean that there is the chance with Anteros-aspects, that the Anteros-person has to have an outburst (avenging the rejected love), so the other person notices what is going on inside of the Anteros-person and then might reconsider his or her feelings?