posted August 24, 2008 12:17 PM              

"Bit confusing, personally I'd stick to cupido being the sun of venus and jupiter. Venus is about love and cupid uses a BOW."
I agree.

Now what with Amor? He`s the third in this little collection of Eros-gods.
He seems to be less erotic and passionate, but highlighting more the unconditional and emotional side of love.
Eros is the Greek name and a primordial god, which had TWO counterparts: Cupid (desire) and Amor (love).

So, can it be that maybe Cupid and Amor are the two sides of Eros? That Eros includes both sides? And that Cupid will show us where we feel more desire than real love for the other person (maybe the Mars-part is stronger here?) and that Amor shows us where the love outweighs the desire?

And then of course Cupid is the little prankster, very mischievous and playful.
The god of "falling" in love (rather than being in love or truely loving).

Oh btw did you know that Eros / Cupid / Amor and Psyche became parents of Voluptas?

"** Maybe if we look to the midpoint of mars-venus and jupiter-venus in our own chart, that might add further to the way we express our eros and cupid??"
Good idea, yes I think that would make sense.
Interestingly my Venus-Mars-midpoint conjuncts his Cupid, his Venus-Mars midpoint and his Venus-Jupiter-midpoint squares my Cupid (and conjuncts my Anteros).

"As for venus-eros aspect. Old celebrity crush has his mars/eros conj pounding 23's venus (trine)"
You mean Mars and Eros or Mars / Eros-midpoint?

"Well I guess it all can be taken into account. You can do house ruler comparisons in your natal chart, so we do it in synastry as well."
I have found the rulers of some houses to be very important, and feel that a synastry analysis would not be completel without having looked at ruler of house 1, 4, 5, 7 and 8.

" As for the things that you have mentioned, as you said, its not erotic stuff, that's major compatibility and it should be looked first."
I have to reconsider here, as I think the ruler of the 5th house is VERY erotic, in a playful way.
But yes, I think there`s a lot of basic compatibility between us.

" then asteroids should be used. They also complete the picture too."
Do you think they can make up for a lack of basic major aspects?
Like Eros making up for a lack of Venus-Mars-aspects?

" So for example, if two people seem very linked with each other but there is no major planetary interactions or seemingly inappropriate interactions, then look to asteroids but I think asteroids should not be used first (like my situation above )"
No, major planets first, I agree.

Also, I would risk a glance at the Draconics, too, as they usually are very revealing. They always give me these AHA-moments. But stick to conjunctions and oppositions within tight orb.

Regarding orbs: what orb have you found to be reasonable?

(I so much want to keep that Mars (his)-Venus (my)-trine, but it is 5°, and possibly I am delusional here)

Oh regarding progressed synastry:
We don`t have all that much except for a progressed Venus-Mars sextile and Venus-Uranus-trine (and a Venus-Pluto-trine that will come into play over the next years, but isn`t active yet).

But my progressed Psyche is approaching an exact conjunction of his natal Eros.
And his progressed Cupido is conjunct my natal Venus as well as conjunct my progressed ASC.

posted August 25, 2008 06:36 PM            

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Yowza! How did I miss this thread before! 23...what would you say to his Anteros (Virgo) opposite her sun (Pisces)? I know that his Juno/her Sun oppositions are commonly found in marriage partners. Do you feel the opposition gets things rolling, or is a negative aspect in this case.

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He seeks love of a virgoan nature (analytical, mercurial etc), this is mutable. Her sun which is her life force so to speak is in pisces and it too is mutable. He loves and expects love returned, what specifically he likes about her is her mutable life force but not the same type of mutable (she is emotional and maybe spiritually mutable). She will most likely appreciate it and return this ego back to him, of course being an opposition, there will be an adjustment of some sort, they will come to peaceful plan of some sort. Oppositions rule libra, so there is an element of negotiation between the two.

From: http://www.librarising.com/astrology/fwa/planetinsignrelations.html

(ignore the dumb stuff describing libra inside the wheel )

And yes, Juno-Sun opp sounds like a common aspect, maybe the anteros opp is too. I know sun opp venus and sun opp moon are quite common too in long term relationships.

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Also...fascinating what you mentioned about the MC contacts in synastry. If they indicate the future, do you mean a next life, or a future/later time in this one? And what would determine that time? A transit? Great stuff!!!.

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I'd say it relates more to the direction of the relationship but I guess it could relate to the future for the reasons I gave DD before. Like when you look to a natal chart, the IC describes family, intimate conditions, maybe previous life experiences, early days at home. The MC would be opposite - the public face of a relationship, how you are seen in public away in maybe non-familial environments and one-on-one interactions (these would be the other three axes) but it also points to the direction of a relationship maybe, like how the careers might be depicted in a natal chart and showing they way you work and likely career path so to speak. Maybe look to MC ruler as well in a chart. So to summarise, I'd say the MC is more about the present life, ie the relationship at hand and what it will do in this life. It could also be about the next life as well.

A transit will certainly affect how the couple would publicly be perceived, the transit is more about now, what is affecting us now but a future transit that can be predicted can show what the relationship might appear to be like in the future at THAT time.

Hope that makes sense!

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how would you interpret a Sun, Mercury conjunct Psyche DW ? As for Eros no hard aspects... mine is trine his Sun, Mercury, Moon and Venus and his trines my Saturn :P
In draconic i noticed though an Eros square Pluto DW

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Double whammies make things stronger so the feeling of the two aspects would intensify the qualities of them.

Psyche acts like a little venus and is the ideal beauty that maybe the possessor contains. So for example eros in pisces sees psyche in pisces as his ideal beauty, she possesses the beauty he wants.

So the person's sun/mercury would see the psyche as their ideal beauty even though the sun and merc don't actively seek it like eros might. So the psyche person brings their "beauty" to the relationship, sun/merc brings ego-life force and intellect to the relationship. Sun person converts her to an ego in his/her mind. Merc would intellectualise as her beauty, he/she would talk to psyche a lot.

The draconic eros-pluto square is like what I explained to DD/bvanzy before in their eros-pluto issue except it would have draconic qualities. Speak to DD about draconics. DW - as I said above.

Sun/merc/moon/venus trine eros:

Trine is a pleasant harmonious interaction.

Eros would eroticise in a pleasant fashion the ego, intellectual style, emotions and values/beauty/romantic nature of the other person. It's not an exact match (ie not conj) but it is a very good match. The sun etc person would appreciate the eroticity of eros person and bring these qualities to the relationship

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Please see the picture above in the reply to 8th.
Note that:
Conj is 1st - aries
Semi-sextile is 2nd - taurus
Sextile is 3rd - gemini
Square is 4th - cancer
Trine is 5th - leo

These might represent the strengths of the aspects, conj the strongest (doesn't explain the semi-sextile though). Conj has an aries all or nothing quality and is cardinal; semi-sextile pleasant and "lazy,", sextile is cooler and talkative, maybe friendly, mutable and needs someone to drive it; square is emotional and moody, up and down but has tenacity and cardinailty to push on to solve agenda; trine is sunny and maybe dominating, grand and expects other to serve and things to come to them.

posted August 25, 2008 07:01 PM            

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So these aspects across the board would be pretty potent then?
(only looking at eros/psyche but eros connects to lots of personal planets which l listed earlier in thread!)
His N eros square my N psyche (1)
His N psyche sextile my N eros (1)
my solstice psyche OPPOSES his N eros (2)
his solstice eros OPPOSES my N psyche (3)
his Dr eros CONJUNCT my N eros (2)

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Solstice - speak to DD! Still got to look into all this myself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cupid_and_Psyche

posted August 25, 2008 07:11 PM            

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"Compare to 8th: (done in a secret whisper) "meet behind the shed later"
Compare to 1st: (done in a very direct way with aggression) "you, me, car park, NOW""
That was great!
I loved the 1st house-one especially. LOL
What would the 5th house say: Meet me in the theatre-cafe?

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No, it would be screaming at the top of his lungs in a shopping centre dressed in a shiny suit full of sequins with arms wide open and flowers in them "I love you, you are the Queen of My Hearts, meet me tonight!!!!!" Making the biggest possible scene about it.

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"Sorry no excuses, you can't get out of it - see Newton's 3rd law"
Sorry to be ignorant, what is Newton`s 3rd law?
I can`t get out of it?
 I`m shocked. LOL
Honestly, this attraction to him is just... irrational (sais my Aquarius-Moon).

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Well it's irrational for all of us! Because the other person doesn't really know of us and we really don't know them! And they're not around to talk to figure out what is going on!



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"So for example, I have anteros 1 degree in Tau. What I seek from the crush though specifically are his arian mars attributes, I love his masculinity, sexuality, his directness etc not withstanding the aries v tau issue."
So you would say that ANTEROS is the attracted one?
What is the difference to Eros then?
That Anteros expects the other to return his feelings? Whereas Eros plunges into his feelings without thinking about what will be coming back to him?
" If maybe the love was not returned in any of these cases (most likely the squ or a negative aspect)"
So, I guess I am doomed than, as his Anteros is square my Eros. Or is he the one being doomed?

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Yes I'd say Anteros is the one getting the ball rolling, of course though it is an aspect, so there's a bit that will be reflected back from the other (regardless if it is anteros or another).

BTW have you heard of the law of gravity?
You know when you have two bodies, regardless how big or small they are, they still feel each other's force. That is how an aspect works. Aspects are definitely felt by both sides, they of course will feel it differently but how they feel it will depend on what planet, asteroid or point they are and what type of aspect it is (eg square, conj etc). I dont think it's unrequited.

Yes as you put it re Anteros v Eros: Anteros - is forcing another to love back and avenging them if they don't, ie they are more libran in their view of the other - takes note of what the othe does; cf eros - who is more selfish and doesn't really care if the other loves back, they just want them - think aries.

As for the squ, the love should be returned back but in a fricative way. I should make it clear that maybe it has more to do with other things such as house overlay that may not return love. I think the aspect itself will confront both parties somehow. As for anteros-eros, I'd say both would feel something but its uncomfortable.

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"Then they might love me depending on the rest of the chart."
So, it wouldn`t end there?
Does that mean that there is the chance with Anteros-aspects, that the Anteros-person has to have an outburst (avenging the rejected love), so the other person notices what is going on inside of the Anteros-person and then might reconsider his or her feelings?

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posted August 25, 2008 07:25 PM            

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Now what with Amor? He`s the third in this little collection of Eros-gods. 
He seems to be less erotic and passionate, but highlighting more the unconditional and emotional side of love.
Eros is the Greek name and a primordial god, which had TWO counterparts: Cupid (desire) and Amor (love).

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So, can it be that maybe Cupid and Amor are the two sides of Eros? That Eros includes both sides? And that Cupid will show us where we feel more desire than real love for the other person (maybe the Mars-part is stronger here?) and that Amor shows us where the love outweighs the desire?[quote]
Maybe? I don't have a problem with your theory. Maybe as you put it, Amor might be a genuine love that encompasses all love that goes beyond sexual love. It could include love for family, friends, colleagues etc (as well as sexual partners).
[quote]Oh btw did you know that Eros / Cupid / Amor and Psyche became parents of Voluptas?

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"As for venus-eros aspect. Old celebrity crush has his mars/eros conj pounding 23's venus (trine)"
You mean Mars and Eros or Mars / Eros-midpoint?[quote]
No his eros is conj his mars. Both of these trine my venus.
Oddly crush's SN/my Juno falls on my mars-venus midpoint and his Karma squ my venus-jup midpoint. My Amor also falls on my mars-venus midpoint!
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I have to reconsider here, as I think the ruler of the 5th house is VERY erotic, in a playful way.
But yes, I think there`s a lot of basic compatibility between us.

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" then asteroids should be used. They also complete the picture too."
Do you think they can make up for a lack of basic major aspects?
Like Eros making up for a lack of Venus-Mars-aspects?[quote]
Yes.

[quote]Also, I would risk a glance at the Draconics, too, as they usually are very revealing. They always give me these AHA-moments. But stick to conjunctions and oppositions within tight orb.

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Regarding orbs: what orb have you found to be reasonable?
(I so much want to keep that Mars (his)-Venus (my)-trine, but it is 5°, and possibly I am delusional here)

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Oh regarding progressed synastry:
We don`t have all that much except for a progressed Venus-Mars sextile and Venus-Uranus-trine (and a Venus-Pluto-trine that will come into play over the next years, but isn`t active yet).

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But my progressed Psyche is approaching an exact conjunction of his natal Eros. 
And his progressed Cupido is conjunct my natal Venus as well as conjunct my progressed ASC.

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posted August 25, 2008 09:34 PM            

Go to "Extended Chart Selection". At the bottom of the page there is a box with the words "additional asteroids or "hypothetical" planets (please enter the numbers from the respective lists, e.g. "433,1221,h48")" to the right. Insert numbers required. To find the numbers of the asteroids, click on the link that is entitled "List of other horoscope factors and "hypothetical" planets"

or go to: http://www.astro.com/swisseph/astlist.htm

Eros is 433
Psyche is 16

You have eros at 15"17 Cap (3rd house)
You have psyche at 24"09 Sco (1st house)

posted August 26, 2008 06:42 AM              

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I think anteros seeks the love returned of more accurately, the quality of the planet/point it is making an aspect to.

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And if someone had their Moon/Anteros in conjunction with another person's Sun - that would mean the Moon/Anteros person was reflecting warmth and vitality back to the Sun in the hope of being loved by the Sun person?

DD: Ihr English ist perfekt. Mein Deutsch ist schrecklich.

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Sorry, if this is wrong, English is not my mother tongue, as you surely have already noticed

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posted August 26, 2008 07:29 AM              

yes, I second Bvanzy`s question. Who is this celebrity crush?

Those aspects are AWESOME!

And believe me, progressed aspects and transits CAN make things (meetings) happen!
When I`ve coincidentally bumped in my "musical-crush" last year, we`ve had eery progressions, too.

My progressed Mercury, Venus and Antivertex all on his natal SN (and my Moon).
my progressed ASC trine his Venus.
My progressed Moon conjunct his progressed Mars.
His progressed Venus opposing my progressed Mars.

It was really a WOW, moment and the transits were backing that up, indicating that this indeed was THE MOMENT.
Transit Neptune was going over my progressed Mercury, Venus, Antivertex, my natal Moon and his SN (there was only eyecontact and the exchange of a smile, no words).
Transit pluto was exactly on my natal Sun and also conjunct my progressed Mars and opposing his progressed Venus (as if there had been some need for more intensity ).

Interestingly there presented an opportunity to see him again next month and the progressions are spooky once again.

The opposittion of his Pr Venus and my pr Mars will still be intact and this time Transit Pluto will even be closer touching it (like in EXACTLY).

My pr Mercury, pr Venus, pr Antivertex have moved a bit forwards (18° Aquarius), my natal Moon of course is still 17° Aquarius and his natal SN is still 16° Aquarius.
And this time, instead of Transit Neptune, Transiting NN will be conjunct all of this!

And what I still can remember from the top of my head;

his pr Moon will be exactly conjunct my natal Sun-Moon-midpoint (Transit Mars will be squaring that).

my pr Moon will be exactly conjunct his natal Sun-Moon-midpoint and Venus (and Transit Venus will be opposite this).

Transit Mars will be also opposing his progressed Mars and my Draco Venus.

I really don`t get what´s it about the progressions I have with him. They are pretty freaky. and I just want to sit down and enjoy a nice little calm concert this time, somwhere well hidden in the middle or back, especially since my parents are going to be there, too.

posted August 26, 2008 07:45 AM            

I'm sorry, I got to go to bed and I'm getting excited. I'll have a look at things tomorrow...

posted August 26, 2008 12:36 PM              

"'d say the conj is the most potent (not sure whethere draco-natal interaction changes the flavour of it), then squ (because it's explosive and cardinal too like conj), then opp."
So, you`d say a square is still an attracting factor?

"I should make it clear that maybe it has more to do with other things such as house overlay that may not return love."
Yes, but it`s not as easy as to say that if you have many planets ine ach other`s 6th houses, you will have unrequited love. What if the other`s DC ruler is in 6th house, then it`s exactly what he or she is seeking.

I think that a lack of aspects is far worse than many squares. Especially if one person`s Venus, 5th house ruelr, 7th house ruler and Eros are not making strong aspects to the other person, then I`d start suspecting that his or her attraction may be somewhat limited.

" As for anteros-eros, I'd say both would feel something but its uncomfortable"
What would you say to an Anteros-Eros-trine? Is it comparable to an Eros-Psyche-trine, just with the added Libran-quality, that Anteros is maybe reflecting her feelings more than ERos would do?

posted August 26, 2008 03:48 PM              

I'd say that Mars/Jupiter/Chiron conjunction would be wonderful, as well as Jupiter/Venus.

posted August 26, 2008 09:12 PM              

Anyway I had a blast on "myheritage" in the mean time. My match was claudia schiffer! I'll take it!

I have blond hair and blue eyes and fell in love with my husband who has black hair and green eyes. Been together in real life for 10 years and we still drool over each other.

Eros must be in our houses

posted August 26, 2008 11:24 PM            

Thanks for the info! Tres interesante!

Would you look at how the MC's make aspects in synastry or at the composite MC?

Haybelly,

I'm going to paste what 23 wrote for Snohawk so you can look up your placements on Astro.com:

"Go to "Extended Chart Selection". At the bottom of the page there is a box with the words "additional asteroids or "hypothetical" planets (please enter the numbers from the respective lists, e.g. "433,1221,h48")" to the right. Insert numbers required. To find the numbers of the asteroids, click on the link that is entitled "List of other horoscope factors and "hypothetical" planets"

or go to: http://www.astro.com/swisseph/astlist.htm

Eros is 433
Psyche is 16"

posted August 27, 2008 12:01 AM            

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And if someone had their Moon/Anteros in conjunction with another person's Sun - that would mean the Moon/Anteros person was reflecting warmth and vitality back to the Sun in the hope of being loved by the Sun person?p

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posted August 27, 2008 12:21 AM            

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'd say that Mars/Jupiter/Chiron conjunction would be wonderful, as well as Jupiter/Venus.

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Unfortunately not so
My jup is at 17 deg aries, my chiron at 23 deg, his mars at 29 deg. Maybe the chiron-mars aspect might hold but I usually don't count it, I treat chiron like an asteroid and give it tight orbs (3 deg and under).
I think its because of sun/venus opp venus (mine), jup conj venus, mars trine venus (mine). I also have an unaspected venus which makes it much more intense for me and a few difficult aspects like moon squ saturn, mars squ saturn and every other saturn squ too! (plus the eros stuff and asteroidal "past life") .
Also the composite, sun on SN (again past life), the 1st-7th house issues and those trines and conj you mentioned. Saturn conj NN opp SN/Sun - future and past issues all rolling over

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But what I wanted to say originally is, that it can come true. You can meet your celebrity crush, it does happen.

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"'d say the conj is the most potent (not sure whethere draco-natal interaction changes the flavour of it), then squ (because it's explosive and cardinal too like conj), then opp."
So, you`d say a square is still an attracting factor?

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"I should make it clear that maybe it has more to do with other things such as house overlay that may not return love."
Yes, but it`s not as easy as to say that if you have many planets ine ach other`s 6th houses, you will have unrequited love. What if the other`s DC ruler is in 6th house, then it`s exactly what he or she is seeking.

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I think that a lack of aspects is far worse than many squares. Especially if one person`s Venus, 5th house ruelr, 7th house ruler and Eros are not making strong aspects to the other person, then I`d start suspecting that his or her attraction may be somewhat limited.

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" As for anteros-eros, I'd say both would feel something but its uncomfortable"
What would you say to an Anteros-Eros-trine? Is it comparable to an Eros-Psyche-trine, just with the added Libran-quality, that Anteros is maybe reflecting her feelings more than ERos would do?

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posted August 27, 2008 12:34 AM            

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Thanks for the info! Wow...so even the angles have rulers? Tres interesante!

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PLeasure , yes, in synastry you can do rulers of any house cusp to determine how the couple will interact in those areas. DD uses a lot of it her synastry, I do too. It can be done natally in a chart between the house rulers as well for the person's own life. Here's a good one to determine if someone will have an easy time converting love affairs into long-term relationships/marriage: look to see if the 5th and 7th house rulers are compatible with each other (eg are they in sextile or trine or even conj).

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Would you look at how the MC's make aspects in synastry or at the composite MC?

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You can look at MC ruler v MC ruler synastrically, you could look at state of composite MC ruler. You can even look at composite MC and its ruler against natal charts themselves to see how the relationship suits the parties themselves. You can also do composite natal chart house rulers against natal house rulers for anything you choose you want to do. I don't tend to do the natal-comp stuff myself because I'm a bit lazy!

I think trick to this all is just having a very good understanding of what the houses stand for, what the planets stand for, what the signs stand for and what the aspects represent. I'm not really doing anything special. My personal problem is that I don't know the asteroids well enough except the ones that I have talked about here. Once you get the basics down, then all is required is to understand asteroids and points. It's not that hard. The key is to know: planets (ie their characteristics), houses (how they represent the 12 areas of life), signs (their characteristics), the aspects (understanding what they mean. For example a square is "bad" is not enough nor a trine is "good"; its important to understand to that aspects do not mean that a relationship will succeed or fail, eg a square does not equal failure or that a trine means complete success).

posted August 27, 2008 03:19 AM              

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And if someone had their Moon/Anteros in conjunction with another person's Sun - that would mean the Moon/Anteros person was reflecting warmth and vitality back to the Sun in the hope of being loved by the Sun person?

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Yes that's a way to see it. Anteros would seek the sun qualties from the sun person and the sun person would definitely be reflecting it back in the exact form they want.

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posted August 27, 2008 06:52 AM            

I mean the angle itself has a ruling planet/sign so that helps us understand how we have to work with that energy. You mentioned that Libra rules the opposition, so you need to find balance or compromise with that aspect.

So if Aries rules the conjunction, you need to take two energies and find a common direction/goal in order to blend them?

And the square (what is the difference b/t a higher and lower square?) is ruled by Capricorn/Cancer. So, you have to find a way to overcome limits/restrictions and emotions caused by the square?

I wonder if the reason Saturn squares seem to be the worst is because it rules them?

Does this make sense?

8th