posted October 10, 2009 02:04 PM            

I used a randomized control group from my own client lists and family lists.
I even made up my own dates.
The control group matches the random probability of every 3rd or 4th member having a Kaali Link to the 6 planets.
The second test I made was to use another Asteroid than Kaali for the Presidents. I used SIVA, ATLANTIS and AMERICA. Again, one in four is the average but this test I did for only 10 cases.
In any case, the math says that we do not need a control group because for n aspects and m degree orbs, the probability per hit has to be n x m/360. I will show the complete mathematical proof as well.
I did check for all presidents very quickly, 36/43 had the link but right now I am doing a very precise check with 10 objects per President. This is the best research on Asteroids for any advanced Astrologer.

The previous best research on US Presidents showed 10 of them out of 43 having Mars in Leo. That wonderful study totally pales in comparision to this one as 36/43 is way way way ahead of 10/43, especially when the 43 are chosen ones from about 500 million citizens in US History.

Also, excellent points by ORBM.
Let me also reveal that the first 4 out of 5 Presidents have OSIRIS in Aquarius...
I think we can connect all the dots now ORBM.
Illuminati NEEDS
1. Strong KAALI or SIVA
2. OSIRIS, ISIS or HORUS in Aquarius
This means they master the Astral Reptilian Frequency and the Egyptian Lion/Mamallian Mysteries.

7/10 have OSIRIS in Air Signs as well.

And Squirrel, when I wrap up the full study, the next study will be for Asteroid DNA placement.
Pls stay tuned for the complete 43 Presidential Analysis.

P.S.
ORBM, How about a storyboard using these facts? The discovery of a potential 44th President using Astrology who was assasinated and mummified in a Masonic Lodge, resurrected to take revenge on black suited big pharma/big oil illuminati businessmen ?

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posted October 10, 2009 05:27 PM            

Thanks for the reply.

posted October 10, 2009 06:32 PM            

Anyway, it would be interesting to see if he also has strong Kaali aspects.

EDIT
I also wanted to add, that Lucifer doesn`t mean anything good per se, either. I didn`t want to come across like saying this.
If someone thinks and acts "differently" from the society`s norm, it CAN be pretty horrible indeed.
Some of the norms of our society are actually good ones, like the one: Don`t kill. For example.
If someone comes to different conclusions about that one, then that is really awful.

Also thank you for reminding me of the above. Of course you can calculate the probability. You donīt really need a control group, at least I think so. I am no expert in statistics unfortunately.

Again it is an impressive study. But apart from the Reptilian DNA, maybe you could explain your interpretative conclusions from this study, also for those who do not know about Reptilian DNA or donīt believe in it?
Cause I think this study is very valuable for everyone interested despite if they believe in the Alien conspiracy or not.
The consequences, the actions, the behaviour might be still very clearly to see, no matter what we think is the root of this behaviour.

so, in simple human terms, what does Kaali mean in this respect?

posted October 11, 2009 07:32 AM            

yes, I was meaning to ask you, what are the good sides of kaali?

Regarding the Nobel prize, I am on the fence about this one. I am not so sure it was a good thing, but I am not versed enough to really form an opinion on that.
I thought, though, he accepted his gracefully and in a pretty clever way, saying that he didnīt deserve it and that he would see it as a motivation to do all these things to show he indeed deserves it.

posted October 11, 2009 09:57 AM            

Horus in 11'17 Taurus R in 9th trine/sextile Ascendant/Descendant in 13'27 Virgo/Pisces
trine Haumea in 11'16 Virgo in 1st
square Lunar Nodes in 10'30 Aquarius/Leo in 11th and 12th house
semisextile/quincunx Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis in 11'14 Gemini/Sagittarius

Osiris in 15'54 Aquarius in 6th
conjunct/oppose Vertex/Antivertex in 14'58 Aquarius/Leo in 6th and 12th
oppose Ceres in 13'58 Leo in 12th
oppose Makemake in 16'20 Leo in 12th
trine Uranus in 15'17 Libra in 2nd

I have Isis in 13'06 Aries R conjunct Eris in 12'15 Aries R in 8th
oppose Uranus in 15'17 Libra in 2nd
trine Ceres in 13'47 Leo in 12th sextile/trine Midheaven/Imum Coeli in 11'14 Gemini/Sagittarius
quincunx/semisextile Ascendant/Descendant in 13'27 Virgo/Pisces

DNA in 11'10 Sagittarius in 4th
oppose/conjunct Midheaven/Imum Coeli in 11'14 Gemini/Sagittarius
trine Eris in 12'14 Aries R in 8th
square Haumea in 11'16 Virgo in 1st
sextile/trine Lunar Nodes in 10'30 Aquarius/Leo in 6th and 12th

Atlantis in 12'18 Sagittarius in 4th
oppose/conjunct Midheaven/Imum Coeli in 11'14 Gemini/Sagittarius
trine Eris in 12'14 Aries R in 8th
trine Ceres in 14'58 Leo in 12th
square Ascendant/Descendant in 13'27 Virgo/Pisces
square Haumea in 11'16 Virgo in 1st
sextile/trine Lunar Nodes in 10'30 Aquarius/Leo in 6th and 12th

Kaali in 19'54 Virgo in 1st
sextile Mercury in 18'21 Scorpio in 3rd
sextile Venus in 21'47 Scorpio in 3rd
semisquare Sun in 5'20 Scorpio in 3rd - '26
quintile Neptune in 1'48 Sagittarius in 4th - '06

Siva in 20'43 Scorpio in 3rd
conjunct Venus in 21'47 Scorpio in 3rd
conjunct Mercury in 18'21 Scorpio in 3rd

conjunctions,parallels to stars associated with reptiles:
1'00 for conjunction
'10 for parallel

Unukalhai (Alpha Serpens..the neck of the serpent) in 21'40 Scorpio
conjunct Venus in 21'47 Scorpio

Unukalhai at 6'30 North
parallel Ascendant at 6'30 North

Rastaban aka Alwaid (Beta Draco..the head of the dragon) in 11'33 Sagittarius
conjunct Imum Coeli in 11'14 Sagittarius

also in the vicinity are:
Soft Gamma Ray Repeater, SGR 1627-41 in 11'17 Sagittarius http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/202362.html

supermassive binary black hole,NGC 6240 in 11'06 Sagittarius

Alfard (Alpha Hydra..neck of the watersnake) at 8'31 South
parallel Moon at 8'31 South

DAMN...I must have some strong Reptilian DNA!
even the Beta Draconis star conjuncts DNA,Imum Coeli,and Atlantis.

hahahaha

I did like that show,V which was about lizard aliens masquerading as humans and taking over the Earth. Jane Badler was hot as Diana. hahahaha

Raymond

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posted October 11, 2009 10:11 AM            

I have it in 11'33 Sagittarius,and you were born after me. It's about 1 1/2 degrees from your South Node. It's not that close.

so you probably don't have Reptilian DNA.

hahahahaha

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posted October 11, 2009 10:42 AM            

Jup you are right. But the square to Jupiter is still in orb.

But again I agree I probably don`t have that much Reptilian DNA, well, not more than most other people anyway.

After all the oldest part of the brain is called "Reptilian brain" or something like this.

posted October 11, 2009 10:50 AM            

I didn't know that fixed stars work with squares. I always only looked at conjunctions as well as the parallels, but some astrologers like Vivian Robson. believed that oppositions work too. He used much larger orbs for fixed stars though. There is no telling if they really had the influence that he said they do. He gave some rather dire intepretations for connections to many of the stars.

I guess contraparallels with fixed stars too

also in Right Ascension, the conjunctions can be looked at. I guess the oppositions and squares too.

Raymond

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posted October 11, 2009 10:56 AM            

Anyway, I have no clue if only conjunctions with fixed stars work. I donīt even have a clue if fixed stars work at all.
I have no experience with them.

But usually I pay attention to all so-called challenging aspects, conjunction, opposition and square. Sometimes I even pay attention to antiscias.

I should pay more attention to parallels and contraparalles, especially if they coincide with aspects in the longitudes.

posted October 11, 2009 11:08 AM            

yep

yeah...astrologers looked at conjunctions and parallels to the stars.

Astronomers locate objects in the sky by observing Right Ascension and Declination.

If celestial objects are conjunct in right ascension, then they culminate together and they anti-culminate together. If the celestial objects are in opposition in right ascension, then as one celestial object culminates, the other anti-culminates and vice versa.

therefore,Right Ascension and Declination are just as valid as Ecliptic Longitude which is our default coordinate in locating objects.

Raymond

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posted October 11, 2009 11:12 AM            

Osiri square Makemake(7)/sun(10)/asc(10)
DNA square my makemake/sun/asc

My stellium valentine/Siva/ixion in the end of libra trine my venus in the end of gemini.

My horus 25,09 in taurus conj my jupiter 23,17

posted October 11, 2009 11:24 AM            

I didn`t know that. That is very interesting. Thank you for this information.

posted October 11, 2009 11:50 AM            

KAALI also
sextile my DRAKONIA (1)
quincunx my GENEVIEVE/ISHTAR/SEKHMET (1)
quincunx my INNANEN (2)
trine my sun/moon midpoint (1)

My DRAKONIA
cj my Translyvania (4)
sextile my sun/moon midpoint

must be to do with my being part Translyvanian!

My MAKEMAKE
square my SUN/MERCURY (3)/(2) VERTEX/TELEPHUS 0)
cj my surname (0)
trine my SIVA (0)
quincunx my ATLANTIS (0) LUCIFER (3)

posted October 11, 2009 03:16 PM            

Only Andrew Johnson, Chester Arthur and Herbert Hoover NOT have Kaali aspected to one or more of these 8 objects. Chester Arthur however is one of the few who has KAALI aspected to all 3 Freemason Dieties: ISIS, OSIRIS and HORUS. So practically, 41/43 have exceptionally strong KAALI in their charts.

Many Presidents have 2 or 3 KAALI aspects to the 8 main objects. Overall, we should be having only 15 aspects of KAALI to any of these 8 objects in all the President's charts combined.

We are having 66 aspects of KAALI to these 8 objects! No other Asteroid used in my study of 10 Asteroids comes even close to this.
ATLANTIS for example has 18 aspects in all 43 charts to the listed 8 objects. This is very close to the mathematically predicted average.

There are two more patterns apart from strong KAALI. SIVA is quite strong too, that is a pattern.
And ISIS, OSIRIS and HORUS, they have only 1/9 chance of aspect at 3 degree average orb. For 43 Presidents, I should have found only 5 incidents where ISIS aspect OSIRIS, OSIRIS aspect HORUS or HORUS aspect ISIS.
You know how many I found?
21. Believe it or not. 21. This is just amazing....

Hope to format my data and post on my website.

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posted October 11, 2009 04:05 PM            

As impressive as this study looks, wouldn`t there be likely any aspect to Kaali, using so many planets and a wide variety of aspects?
What about Sun, Moon, ASC or MC? Why don`t they come up?

Still this study looks impressive, those were just questions that popped up for me.

posted October 12, 2009 04:05 AM            

I don't have a strong Kaali, except that it closely quintiles my Ascendent, squares Drakonia by 1 degree, and inconjuncts north node by 1 degree.

The Hekate/Kaali MP conjuncts Siva exactly.

I also have aspects like (within 2 degrees, most less that a degree):

DNA oppose Hekate
Lucifer trine Sun
Karma conjunct Venus
Kaali/Lucifer MP conjunct Neptune
Lucifer square Saturn
Lililth quintile Moon, sextile DNA, inconjunct Lucifer, trine Hekate
DNA inconjunct Uranus and Jupiter
Lucifer trine Chiron
Hekate oppose Saturn
Karma trine Neptune
Drake square Mars

And I have no idea if this means anything (I'm not at all familiar with these points/asteroids) but I have:

Sphinx - Scorpio 14'8
Merlin - Scorpio 16'49
Medusa - Scorpio 16'22
Ixion - Scor 16'9
Quaoar - Scor 15'58
Kaali -Scor 18'25

posted October 12, 2009 04:28 AM            

KAALI occasionally aspected Sun, Moon, Mars, Neptune and many other objects but I could not use that as it would violate the mathematical probability.

Here is the simple mathematical observation.

I use average 1 degree 30 minute orbs. I say average because in some cases there are 3.5 degree conjunctions and in some 0.10 minute trines or sextiles. Taking the average helps quick probability calculation. Vast majority of aspects are 1.30 orb anyway.

Now, how many aspects are possible for KAALI?
2 trines, 2 sextiles, 2 squares, one opp, 1 conjunction an 2 quincunx. Total 10.

So Probability of any aspect to a set of 8 objects is 1.5 x 8 x 10/360 = 1/3.

Every 3rd chart SHOULD have one KAALI aspect to any of these 8 objects.
Some Presidents have 4 aspects!
That is like 1/81 chance.

The miracle is that 41/43 Presidents have one or more aspects.

My study results are like this:
John Tyler 29 March 1790
KAALI 15.2 Leo quincunx Mercury, sq OIRIS, conj Mars
SIVA 12.5 Lib q Mercury in Pisces
ISIS 4.2 Leo conj Uranus
OSIRIS 14.5 Taurus exact conj ATLANTIS
HORUS 0.5 Leo conj ISIS
LUCIFER 8.5 Sco conj TN
KARMA 26 Lib conj Neptune
ATLANTIS 14.5 Tau conj OSIRIS
Saturn 27.4 Pisces q KARMA
TNode 10.2 Sco q Sun, con LUCIFER
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James Polk Nov 2, 1795
KAALI 15.2 Aqua conj SIVA, q Chiron, sq Venus
SIVA 12.5 Aqua trine Saturn 12 Gem exact
ISIS 14.2 Cap trine Chiron 13 Vir
OSIRIS 23.2 Sco trine TNode exact
HORUS 19 Aqua
DNA 29.3 Cap conj Jupiter 0 Aqua
LUCIFER 14.5 Sag sextile KAALI, sq Chiron
KARMA 16.3 Cap
ATLANTIS 12.5 Sco
Saturn 12.2 Gemini
TNode 23.2 Cancer

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etc etc

You will eventually see that no other Asteroid or Object makes so many consistent aspects to the Group of 8 Objects in the Hypothesis, only KAALI. To some extent, SIVA is a close second.

The probability in binomial calculaiton shows one in many many billions for 41/43 successes of 1/3 probability.

Any mathematician would jump seeing this, only they will instantly appreciate the mathematical veracity of this study [We astrologers already know the validity.]

posted October 12, 2009 09:20 AM            

thanks for the explanation.

Yet, a little bit of doubt remains for me, if you can really expand the orb like that and just use it for the probability calculation, it doesn`t really seem right to me.

Also, out of curiosity I did a check with 25 charts out of my database of absolutely normal people, non celebrities, all people I personally know.
And 24 charts had these aspects of Kaali to any of these 8 objects with an average orb of 1.1.

It is a bit confusing, and it leaves me wondering what exactly is being told by such researches, like you did or like the ones I like to do myself. What do they really mean? What do they show? How do we interprete thes results?
What does it mean if we have the same result by picking some other charts randomly, which belong not to the researched group?

Can it be like this?
If someone becomes president of the United states (or is in a position of power), THEN we can expect to find these aspects.

But the same doesn`t work the other way round; we canNOT expect for someone to become president, just because we find these aspects?

Is that because of the width of expressions a planet or asteroid can have?
Let`s say Kaali indicates an urge of power and strength of will and the urge to overcome any obstacles in one`s way.

Then you could express these qualities as a president.
But you could as well express these in other careers or your private life?

Like it doesn`t mean that the investigated people in my research will become president, but they probably will express Kaali symbolism on other areas?

posted October 12, 2009 11:37 AM            

She can be quite the critical thinker and very open-minded.

I was at the Brian L. Weiss workshop yesterday.

he said that being a skeptic means to question and that skeptics give alternative explanations for things.

In my own chart:
Skepticus in 3'10 Sagittarius in 4th
conjunct Plato in 4'53 Sagittarius in 4th
conjunct Neptune in 1'48 Sagittarius in 4th
oppose Astrowizard in 3'14 Gemini R in 10th
oppose Varuna (judgment,justice,intensifed evolution) in 3'01 Gemini R in 10th
oppose Pallas (pattern recognition,creative intelligence) in 2'36 Gemini R in 10th
oppose Saturn in 5'08 Gemini R in 10th
(T-Square)

My Moon square Skepticus with 1 minute of arc is amazing,and it says a lot about me, and seems to finetune my t-square.

My Karma is in 3'18 Libra in 1st, and so sextiles my Skepticus with 17 minutes of arc.

DD,
Where is your Skepticus and what aspects does it make?

another thing too
people born on the same day as the US presidents might need some consideration

Sylvester Stallone was born on the same day as former President George W. Bush.
(interestingly both have speech problems...Sylvester Stallone slurs his words due to forceps delivery messing up nerves on one side of his face. Bush has word retrieval problems and speech disorganization,scrambling which could be connected to Dyslexia. His brother,Neil is a diagnosed Dyslexic)

Beat Raaflaub, Swiss conductor and
# Charles Bolden, American astronaut
were born on the same day as former President Bill Clinton.

Raymond

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