posted October 12, 2009 12:36 PM            

I am just trying to understand how astrology works, what its limits are, and what things like researches really mean.

I am not doing that to make anyone else look "bad". AS a matter of fact I think this research is pretty amazing.

Glaucus,
your Skepticus-aspects are just breathtaking. But it was to be expected, for you are such a critical thinker yourself.

BTW how did you like that workshop? Did it fulfill your expectations?

Anyway, Skepticus seems to be a slow moving asteroid.

In my chart:

Sketpicus in 3°19 Sagittarius in 12th (1st in whole sign houses)
conjunct Amor in 2°08 Sagittarius in 12th (1st)
conjunct Mars in 5°10 Sagittarius in 12th (1st)
sextiles MC in 4°58 Libra in 10th (11th)
sextiles Plato in 5°44 Libra in 10th (11th)
sextiles Compassion in 6°48 Libra in 10th (11th)
opposes Spacewatch in 1°27 Gemini in 6th (7th)
opposes Varuna in 6°08 Gemini in 6th (7th)
trines Logos in 3°05 Leo in 8th (9th)
trines Aura in 4°48 Aries in 4th (5th)
quinkunx Sedna in 3°04 Taurus in 5th (6th) - but probably the orb is too wide

Sabian of Scepticus in both our chart is:
A Little Child Learning To Walk With The Encouragement Of His Parents

BTW
TR Skepticus is on 15 Cancer in my 8th house

conjunct Saturn on 16°57 Cancer in 8th
trine Juno on 16°56 Pisces in 4th
trine Moira (fate) on 14°08 Scorpio in 12th

posted October 12, 2009 02:55 PM            

Here, the very specific group of chosen 43 people are being studied, and 41 out of them are having the aspect. Normally, every 3rd chart will have one aspect since we have 8 objects. The beauty of this research is that
a) 41/43 specifically chosen people have aspects from Kaali
b) Many have more than one KAALI aspect to these 8 objects. This pattern is not seen in other asteroids, that is one way to test.
It will be clear when you see the full list.
By law of attraction, we may attract strong Kaali people to our database but we cannot cheat mathematical probability. When math predicts 15 KAALI aspects only to the 43 presidents, and we find 66, it is anomalous. It indicates an astrological "Design" for these specific group.
Should I strictly use less than 1 degree orb only without average for all cases, and eliminate squares and oppositions, and use only a single direction sextile or trine or quincunx, I get 30/43 success cases of a probability showing 4 x 9 /360 or 1/10 each for a hit.
Now for this study math predicts I should have only 5 cases for all 43 presidents, but I just found more than 37 hits.
With this refinement, your study will now show maybe 12-15 successes, and there wont be any parallel SIVA correlation nor the anomaly of having say 50% of all SIVA or KAALI placements in just 3 signs.
Whenever we find anomaly from matmematical averages, we can be certain that there is some deliberate design at work.

Let us not forget, we have birth times for our known cases. We dont have that for US Presidents, else we would have easily found more than 50% hits to Ascendant or Moon

c) The test also shows how the Male Counterpart of KAALI has a peculiarity.
So SIVA and KAALI taken together show clear anomalies not shown by other planets or asteroids except Mars, which appeared in Leo for 10 Presidents.

One direct deduction is that any person with SIVA in Taurus has never become US President.
Taurus is a Bull, a Mammal and SIVA has been largely worshipped by Reptilian "Asuras" or Demons in Vedic Mythology. Scorpio has always been a favourite of Reptilian people and both SIVA and KAALI prominently feature in that sign.

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posted October 12, 2009 03:07 PM            

That interests me, TPTB that founded our society and still run it pull the main part of there Worship from from the Egyptian culture, it is this very system of worship that they basically stole and have perfected since Libraries of Egypt were pillaged. We see the Symbols and Monuments all around us in America. It seems as though these Asteroids would have some synchronocity in the people that they allow to run "there" Country, wouldn't you say Tameem?

Anywo it would make a great storyline right, lol

"How about a storyboard using these facts? The discovery of a potential 44th President using Astrology who was assasinated and mummified in a Masonic Lodge, resurrected to take revenge on black suited big pharma/big oil illuminati businessmen ?"

I like it. And its close enough to the truth to strum peoples subconscious strings. Im gonna explore that and get back to you, gotta weave a love story in there too....so I can live vicariously through it.. lol nah just teasin!

DD,
I know I am going to get raked over the coals for saying this. But this is very interesting because Kaali represents in my Clairvoyance our Chakra energy system and energy that animates it.
In order for a president to serve there purpose he must be programmable to say the least, so he must have a strong Kaali, as this is the Energy they use to control us. They have a million and one ways to tap into your Chakra system, and any of the bottom 3 chakras.
Our Kaali usually never makes it out of those three Chakras as it is syphoned quick expertly. Show me a human and I will show you some form of damage to his bottom three Chakras based on how his life has manifested.
Ever wondered why so many people in this world die of some form of heart damaged. Could it be because our life Energy is a mere trickle for most of us by the time it reaches our Heart Chakra and so our higher levels of consciousnes easily fall prey to Religious Sects.

Ultimately consider the fact that only about 10% of population knows about there Chakra system, and only about 2% of that knows how it works, yet at least 60% of the population can you tell you there favorite TV station and why, and describe there favorite movie and why. Most know there favorite song and all about the Singer. Most would die for that singer and yet dont even know how there own personal energy system works is all the fact in the world to show you why a President would have to have a high level of Kundalini energy, he would need it to rule a nation acceptably, and most of our Presidents are very power men in general, with strong life forces. Most of them stood out even before they went the political route. There Kaali the sign it is in and and its aspects in my opinion would show you how the energy manifest in the life and on a deeper level would probably on a personal level show you how they are programmed by its afflictions. Something drives them and keeps there consciousness from rising, and them from realizing how there lifepath serves the purpose of a higher power that doesnt have the best interest of the people of this world in mind.
Kaali is the comprised of several archetypes that present in this world. Archetypes we often ascribe to women but actually should be present and accounted for in all of us if our Prana is flowing correctly. First I think we must explore what our Kaali is to us in our charts. Not what someone eles tells you. You have to be able to map it yourself before you can do it for someone else, don't you think?

Here I will go first.

My Kaali is at 6 degrees Leo:

conjunct Logos at 7 Leo
oppposes Psyche 7 Aquarius.
Semi-Sext Sat 7 Virgo
Semi- Sext Asc at 8 Virgo
Sextile DNA 9 Libra (wide)
Loosely inconjunct Siva well at 9 Cap.
Sextile MC at 6 Gemini
Inconjunct Aura at 6 Pisces

And Creates a Grand FireTrine along with
Logos with my:
Mars at 6 Aries
IC at 6 Sag

The fact that I have an other-worldly view to my Kaali is shown by the Logos Conjunction, and in Leo in my 11th house of worldly affairs shows why when I apply my energy to the Acting or Modelling world it works. There is the map right in front of me with the house and Sign of my Kaali.
I often look at this to see where could help people find a career that would help them use the energy they naturally have.

So what would a presidents show?
I view Kaali as my life Energy, my prana/kundalini as it were and this is the description of how it works. Everyone that knows me knows I am one ball of Energy, always on the go, always learning always growing, laughing, and enertaining. I am very sexual by nature in a relationship, and had to learn the hard way that there is programming attached to sex, and that it must be accompanied with an emotion of love to be recycled and protected in the sexual union, I think this helps keep it from being syphoned. And explains why random sex with just anyone can **** up our Energy systems if we dont know how to protect ourselves and these **** ups can manifest in the 3D in more ways that than one.

Also consider my Saturn connection affording me protection when dealing with the Astral realm. It exactly opposes Aura which gives me some protection as well when dealing my Energy and the Energy of others, as its like plugging into the Internet unless you apply the right "filters" spam and pop ups present as dangerous hazards in that navigations. Saturn also lets me know that this is not the first lifetime that I have connected with my Energy matrix and been the Captain of my Soul Team as IQ likes to put it. My access to it now is actually to fix the Karma incurred there in previous lives.

Also the fact that it opposes my Psyche shows how I have access to this as my reality, its just there, always has been. I have always thought of myself as being just a happy person, but actually it was a connection to bliss the Ancient Rishis beleived that bliss was the basic vibration, or hum, of the universe, OM as it were, the ground state from which all diversity springs... the possibility for creation to manifest. It is through this vibration the believed that pure consciouness entered into creation.

posted October 12, 2009 03:10 PM            

yep

"BTW how did you like that workshop? Did it fulfill your expectations?"

I really liked it. I wanted to see him since 1998 when I first read his books. He was both funny and insightful. I approached the workshop with both an open mind and critical thinking. He started off as a skeptic of metaphysical things until a hypnosis session that led to accidental pastlife regression with one of his patients, Catherine who told him stuff about his dead son while in an altered conscious that she couldn't have possibility known. He has Sun and Mercury in Scorpio like I do. I didn't leave disappointed. I left honored to see him in person and filled with eagerness to explore pastlives and reincarnation more. I bought one of his books (Messages From The Masters) and one of his CD's (Spiritual Progress Through Regression)

"Anyway, Skepticus seems to be a slow moving asteroid."

actually it's not. It's a main belt asteroid,and so it's not slow moving http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6630_Skepticus

you check its speed here: http://www.true-node.com/pos/

My average Skepticus speed at the moment of my birth was 32 minutes per day.

you just synchronistically have yours in close conjunction to mine. 9 minutes of arc! That must be on the day of my Skepticus return! That seems to indicate our connection through skepticism.

so you were in doubt,and so assumed that it was a slow moving body. skepticism

hahahaha

my heliocentric coordinates are interesting too

heliocentric Skepticus in 16'07 Sagittarius
conjunct heliocentric Mercury in 17'01 Sagittarius
oppose/conjunct Mercury Perihelion/Aphelion axis in 16'50 Sagittarius

heliocentric Skepticus Nodes in 1'37 Gemini/Sagittarius
conjunct/oppose heliocentric Saturn in 2'00 Gemini
oppose/conjunct heliocentric Neptune in 2'38 Sagittarius

also oppose/conjunct geocentric Neptune in 1'48 Sagittarius

in Declinations:
Skepticus at 21'52 South
parallel Jupiter at 21'12 South
contraparallel/parallel Midheaven/Imum Coeli at 22'08 North/South

in Right Ascension:
Skepticus in 0'53 Sagittarius
conjunct Neptune in 0'02 Sagittarius
square Mars in 29'01 Aquarius
(T-Square)

Raymond

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posted October 12, 2009 03:13 PM            

Once the knowledge of an Asteroid is bequeathed, soem sort of initation occurs, and the interested layman who chooses to be aware of a KAALI or SIVA or ANGEL transit will start sensing that too.

posted October 12, 2009 03:40 PM            

BTW, here are some more mathematical anomalies. Only 1 President has True Node in Virgo! Just one! And he is Chester Arthur, the one who has KAALI aspects ISIS, OSIRIS and HORUS. And his full date of borth number is 8. His True Node is in 28.2 Virgo, whose Sabian Symbol is "A Seeker After Occult Knowledge Is Reading An Ancient Scroll Which Illumines His Mind". This is just phenomenal.

And ISIS comes in LEO 9 times and in Scorpio 7 times. Yet ISIS is totally absent from the sign of Aries!!!!

Also anomalous: Saturn comes in Aquarius just once instead of 4 times....

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posted October 12, 2009 03:41 PM            

" but we cannot cheat mathematical probability. When math predicts 15 KAALI aspects only to the 43 presidents, and we find 66, it is anomalous. It indicates an astrological "Design" for these specific group."
So,t his would mean that this group I picked randomly also represents an anomaly I think.

"Should I strictly use less than 1 degree orb only without average for all cases, and eliminate squares and oppositions, and use only a single direction sextile or trine or quincunx, I get 30/43 success cases of a probability showing 4 x 9 /360 or 1/10 each for a hit."
This actually convinces me more.

"With this refinement, your study will now show maybe 12-15 successes, and there wont be any parallel SIVA correlation nor the anomaly of having say 50% of all SIVA or KAALI placements in just 3 signs."
Yes, that could be true. So one would have to see the aspects and signs together?

"Whenever we find anomaly from matmematical averages, we can be certain that there is some deliberate design at work."
WEll, if I have a certain asteroid aspect Sun, Moon, ASC And chartruler in 15 of 15 synastrycharts of relationship, this would be also a deliberate design?

But how do I weigh this, if I shall find out that picking a group of people who have never had any relationship with each other the results would be also high?

"So SIVA and KAALI taken together show clear anomalies not shown by other planets or asteroids except Mars, which appeared in Leo for 10 Presidents."
But if we take Siva and Kaali together, then the number would double, are the results then still within the frame of the probability calculation you presented?

"Scorpio has always been a favourite of Reptilian people and both SIVA and KAALI prominently feature in that sign."
Hmm, need I to get worried, as my Siva is in SCorpio almost exactly in the middle of that sign (14°57)?

posted October 12, 2009 04:10 PM            

"In order for a president to serve there purpose he must be programmable to say the least"
Well, that is debateable.

No, I am not taking sides. But I am thinking of all these people who do NOT believe in the REptilian stuff, and since this is an astrology forum I am looking for ways how to make these results applicable in a context, which isn`t connected to intergalactic politics.

I know for someone who believes in it, it maybe (almost) impossible to separate the astrological insights from this beliefsystem.

"Ever wondered why so many people in this world die of some form of heart damaged. "
No. I am just looking at the way we are living, under full stress, eating too much fat and sugar, doing only little to no sports, and are being bombarded with horrible things on the news, and it is not a suprise to me anymore.

You know what I really don`t like about that Alien-conspiracy-stuff?
It victimizes us, as if us humans are defenceless or victims, like puppets.
Maybe we are, at least to a certain degree, no matter if the puppetmaster is an Alien Race or the medias or society itself.
BUT I fear that by emphasizing this point again and again, we may draw this "victim-role" to us as per law of attraction.

I wish SOMEONE would say: Yes, there are these attempts to dominate, manipulate, abuse us, and some of these have been successful unfortunately, but we can fight this, we have defenses against this. We are NO puppets.

Sorry, if I got rambling here.

"Most would die for that singer and yet dont even know how there own personal energy system works"
Well, I seriously doubt that (that people would die for a singer, except for very rare cases), but maybe this is because a singer a TV sender has MATERIAL presence, and people tend to believe in what they see or can touch, while the energy system is nothing that they can see like they see a picture at a wall.

"Not what someone eles tells you."
Well, I think I showed that I donīt buy blindly what someone else tells me, without understanding it myself.

"
You have to be able to map it yourself before you can do it for someone else, don't you think?"
Yes, I agree, yet that was not the question. The question was following this research and IQ`s methods and understand them.

"My Kaali is on 12 Gemini in 7th house
conjunct AStarte on 10 Gemini in 7th
conjunct Inannen on 12 Gemini in 7th
conjunct Imhotep on 11 Gemini in 7th
conjunct Whiteknight on 13 Gemini in 7th
conjunct SN on 10 Gemini in 7th
opposes Neptune on 10 Sagittarius in 1st
trine Pallas on 10 Aquarius in 3rd
trine Orpheus on 10 Aquarius in 3rd
trine Hera on 9 Aquarius in 3rd
trine Aphrodite on 13 Libra in 11th
trine Pluto on 9 Libra in 11th
square Jupiter on 11 Pisces in 4th
square Zeus on 9 Pisces in 4th
square Perspehone on 13 Virgo in 10th
sextile Eris on 12 Aries in 5th
quinkunx Spirit on 10 Capricorn in 2nd
quinkunx Hermes on 14 Capricorn in 2nd
quinkunx Siva on 14 Scorpio in 12th
quinkunx Moira on 14 Scorpio in 12th
quinkunx London on 14 Scorpio in 12th
quinkunx Eurydike on 15 Scorpio in 12th

Interesting I have an Air-Grandtrine of

Kaali, Inannen, Astarte, Imhotep, SN
Pluto, Aphrodite
Pallas, Hera, Orpheus

So, what does that mean now?
That I have gathered pretty many female archetypes together?

posted October 12, 2009 04:17 PM            

"I didn't leave disappointed. I left honored to see him in person and filled with eagerness to explore pastlives and reincarnation more."
I am glad that it was worth it, and that you got inspired.
Actually, if you want to share what you find, I would be more than interested; not only because of sheer curiosity (which is also at play of course), but because it would be interesting to see if these past lives are reflected by the astrology.

Anyway of course I know that this is something very private to discover and understand if you do NOT want to share it.

"you just synchronistically have yours in close conjunction to mine. 9 minutes of arc! That must be on the day of my Skepticus return! That seems to indicate our connection through skepticism. "
Wow, yes, that makes sense! But jeez, that is CLOSE!

"so you were in doubt,and so assumed that it was a slow moving body. skepticism"
Yeah, Skepticus in action.

I guess I just have one of my skeptical days today.

posted October 12, 2009 04:17 PM            

"OSIRIS, ISIS and HORUS do have a powerful interlock in the Presidential Charts.
Let me mail you and DD the list tmrw"

No worries. But yeah they would.
Consider too IQ that in the Dynasties of Ancient Egypt were founded the during the age of Taurus and so the people themselves worshipped Baal, that is what the Hebrews did after they had left Egypt they Erected a Calf and began worshipping the "old way", when Moses was getting the 10 Commandments.
But the Pharoahs worshipped the Scoripion. And most of the Moon Children and people born specifically programmed to work for Illumnati higher ups have the moon/sun/asc in the Sign of Scorpio. Remember Serbian woman who was a moonchild, that was her Moon Sign, and in her discription of a hybrid she was talking about she said..."has the moon in scorpio like I do"... when I was asking about his Astrological Profile. I just think its interesting that the Pharoahs and Priest Worshipped the sign of Scorpio.
Does that not explain the purpose of the sexual rituals the higher ups are accused of IQ?

Things that make you go hmmm.lol

"BTW, here are some more mathematical anomalies. Only 1 President has True Node in Virgo! Just one! And he is Chester Arthur, the one who has KAALI aspects ISIS, OSIRIS and HORUS. And his full date of borth number is 8. His True Node is in 28.2 Virgo, whose Sabian Symbol is "A Seeker After Occult Knowledge Is Reading An Ancient Scroll Which Illumines His Mind". This is just phenomenal."

This all is quite interesting IQ, I dont know what your tryin to give birth to here, but its giving me a headache. *wink*
I didnt even know we had a president called Chester Arther. I guess I better go do some research! lol WTF!

"And ISIS comes in LEO 9 times and in Scorpio 7 times. Yet ISIS is totally absent from the sign of Aries!!!!"

Aries is one of the least programmable signs...so naturally....

DD,
I dont think so you only have take your whole chart as well as your level of consciouness into consideration to realize you have nothing to worry about. Yet the fact that Siva is there could show maybe a succeptiblity of not exploring your Male Archetype Energies fully, and perhaps you do well in making sure that you are expressing them fully, if you do not see them present and accounted for in your Aura.

posted October 12, 2009 04:23 PM            

DD
I thought the same thing about my Kaali at 19 Scorpio.

posted October 12, 2009 04:33 PM            

"I dont think so you only have take your whole chart as well as your level of consciouness into consideration to realize you have nothing to worry about."
I know that I have nothing to worry about. I jsut forgot to post the winking smilie. This one.

" Yet the fact that Siva is there could show maybe a succeptiblity of not exploring your Male Archetype Energies fully,"
Why?
And what does it mean to explore male archetype energies fully?
Actually I always thought i was lacking a bit of expressing the female archetype energies. lol

posted October 12, 2009 04:36 PM            

I agree with your post in regards to the Reptilian,alien conspiracy stuff as well as the health stuff.

Healthy dose of skepticism and common sense.

BTW we both have Siva in Scorpio.

Raymond

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the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted October 12, 2009 05:01 PM            

Siva conjunct the alpha serpent star would suggest strong Reptilian type, but I don't believe that I have any Reptilian in me.

I checked the asteroid nodes of Siva because they are astronomically relevant,and so astrologically relevant.

geocentric asteroid nodes = personal karma
heliocentric asteroid nodes = collective karma

orb - 1'00

Geocentric North Siva Node in 2'12 Pisces in 7th
conjunct my Moon in 3'11 Pisces in 7th
square my Varuna in 3'01 Gemini R in 10th
square my Neptune in 1'48 Sagittarius in 4th

Geocentric South Siva Node in 10'38 Libra in 2nd
oppose/conjunct Chiron in 10'32 Aries R in 8th
trine/sextile Midheaven/Imum Coeli in 11'14 Gemini/Sagittarius
trine/sextile Lunar Nodes 10'30 Aquarius/Leo in 6th and 12th

Heliocentric Siva Nodes in 1'07 Aries/Libra in 8th and 2nd
oppose/conjunct Pluto in 0'51 Libra in 2nd
trine/sextile Neptune in 1'48 Sagittarius in 4th

in Right Ascension:
Siva in 13'56 Scorpio
square Lunar Nodes in 12'56 Aquarius/Leo

I like what Martha Lang-Wescott says about Siva:

Destruction of rigid ideation,beliefs,assumptions,insistence and expectations;renewal and epiphanies of understanding through catharsis

Raymond

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posted October 12, 2009 05:27 PM            

DD. Look at a part of my chart. I've get surprised when I'm looking at yours

Sun 10 leo
Asc 10 leo
makemake 7 leo

moon 6 gemini

MC 12 aries/IC 12 Libra

DC 10 aquarius
Angel 10 aquarius
Asteroid lilith 12 aquarius
Psyche 8 aquarius
Destinn 7 aquarius

Neptunus 15 scorpio
Algol 15 scorpio
Karma 13 scorpio

Merk 7 virgo
uran 8 virgo
kaali 10 virgo
pluto 12 virgo

posted October 12, 2009 05:40 PM            

Really?
Because I dont see how or why you think that the president is better than any other human on this Earth.
Do you really think that the leader of this country would be allowed to have his complete mind? Think of what would happen if any one of us became President, we would rock this countrty to its foundations with our decisions..... We dont serve there purpose, but we are too small in number to care about. What can we do?

Also do you not think that there is reason why our Statue of Liberty is really a statue of Isis, or that there is the eye of Horus above a Pyramid on our dollar, or that the the Washington Mounument is an Egyptian obleisk at exactly 666 ft tall, or that Washing DC is laid out exactly like a pentagon. There is no reason or is there?
Well I choose to believe there is. And if you can show me that my beliefs are unfounded then I stand today before you corrected in my assumption that there is.

"No, I am not taking sides. But I am thinking of all these people who do NOT believe in the REptilian stuff, and since this is an astrology forum I am looking for ways how to make these results applicable in a context, which isn`t connected to intergalactic politics."

Then they should not be reading this topic. Where else would your Venus and Kaali bloodliines connections as charted in Astrology be showing besides some Reptillian connection? Besides that I am not even speaking of Aliens or Reptillians I mean the 13 Ruling Families who financially control everything. But you dont believe that either. But I am not here to argue that, my point for mentioning that here is that I am NOT speaking of Reptilians.

"Ever wondered why so many people in this world die of some form of heart damaged. "
No. I am just looking at the way we are living, under full stress, eating too much fat and sugar, doing only little to no sports, and are being bombarded with horrible things on the news, and it is not a suprise to me anymore.

Then why dont they stop DD. I stopped you've stopped. Ask your mom why she wont stop eating foods high in fat and sugar. They feel compelled to eat they want to. Are they programmed? Why else would someone do something they know is bad for them unless someone else is making them.

News, yes the News. Well consider this DD. Why dont they start telling us good news? They wouldnt have jobs, thats why, not enough people will watch it, because people are interested in bad news. Why? Or is it because people would be uplifted by the good news and have more energy to do other things for themselves?
If I was to ask my neighbor why she liked bad news she would say, I dont like bad news. And I would say why do you watch it on TV then? And she would say thats not why I watch the News, she would say its so she can know whats going on in the World. Ask your neighbor tomorrow why they watch the news. Then tell them GO TRAVEL! See it for yourself, because it is a beautiful planet, with beautiful people.. But then she would think u were crazy.

I know no other reason why my neighbor would not see the news is bad than that she is programmed. Why would any human do something that is bad for them unless they were being programmed by society to think that they should do it?

She grew up watching that Television, her parents watched the news ever day. Thats why she does it. She is programmed. Just as a dog is programmed to sit when it is commanded. She is programmed to come home and watch Television at 6 oclock while she eats dinner after work, and find out whats going on in the world. Never thinking twice about anything......................................................................................... And she doesnt have enough of her own lifeforce/Kaali to question anything, because her lifeforce is being drained by all the lower base emotions she is feeling....and so she manifest her reality...

"You know what I really don`t like about that Alien-conspiracy-stuff?
It victimizes us, as if us humans are defenceless or victims, like puppets.
Maybe we are, at least to a certain degree, no matter if the puppetmaster is an Alien Race or the medias or society itself.
BUT I fear that by emphasizing this point again and again, we may draw this "victim-role" to us as per law of attraction.

I wish SOMEONE would say: Yes, there are these attempts to dominate, manipulate, abuse us, and some of these have been successful unfortunately, but we can fight this, we have defenses against this. We are NO puppets.

Sorry, if I got rambling here. "

Perhaps but in order to do that, you must believe that there is a possibility that you are a puppet before you can learn how to cut your strings.

"Most would die for that singer and yet dont even know how there own personal energy system works"
Well, I seriously doubt that (that people would die for a singer, except for very rare cases), but maybe this is because a singer a TV sender has MATERIAL presence, and people tend to believe in what they see or can touch, while the energy system is nothing that they can see like they see a picture at a wall."

For sure some would die, and I dont know about you but I am not going to be sitting outside there house crying when they have past either. But some do....there is a reason, acting crazy like that....that is not normal no matter what people say...
And as far as seeing it. They believe in God and yet they have never seen him, they just see his creations. Well the people that I know who are aware of the Chakra systems and how they work, have amazing lives and are well adjusted people. That is there creation, a happy, balanced, fulfilling life. Why wouldnt you believe in what they believe in? Or at least try?
And they havent seen a Devil either, yet the believe that the evil in this world is his creation, and not there own.... Why not believe in your Chakra system?
Is it crazier than the belief in a Devil named Satan Ironically Satan means the "Father of Lies"?

You have to be able to map it yourself before you can do it for someone else, don't you think?"
Yes, I agree, yet that was not the question. The question was following this research and IQ`s methods and understand them.

Well understanding them to me is just as important as applying the energy of what they mean...

"My Kaali is on 12 Gemini in 7th house
conjunct AStarte on 10 Gemini in 7th
conjunct Inannen on 12 Gemini in 7th
conjunct Imhotep on 11 Gemini in 7th
conjunct Whiteknight on 13 Gemini in 7th
conjunct SN on 10 Gemini in 7th
opposes Neptune on 10 Sagittarius in 1st
trine Pallas on 10 Aquarius in 3rd
trine Orpheus on 10 Aquarius in 3rd
trine Hera on 9 Aquarius in 3rd
trine Aphrodite on 13 Libra in 11th
trine Pluto on 9 Libra in 11th
square Jupiter on 11 Pisces in 4th
square Zeus on 9 Pisces in 4th
square Perspehone on 13 Virgo in 10th
sextile Eris on 12 Aries in 5th
quinkunx Spirit on 10 Capricorn in 2nd
quinkunx Hermes on 14 Capricorn in 2nd
quinkunx Siva on 14 Scorpio in 12th
quinkunx Moira on 14 Scorpio in 12th
quinkunx London on 14 Scorpio in 12th
quinkunx Eurydike on 15 Scorpio in 12th

Interesting I have an Air-Grandtrine of

Kaali, Inannen, Astarte, Imhotep, SN
Pluto, Aphrodite
Pallas, Hera, Orpheus

So, what does that mean now?
That I have gathered pretty many female archetypes together?

Funny you said that. I was wondering what your Kaali aspects were when I wrote that about your Archtype energies.

posted October 12, 2009 06:00 PM            

why does my chart surprise you?
Is it because some of our asteroids / planets aspect each other?
Yeah, seeing that it is pretty astonishing.

"Sun 10 leo
Asc 10 leo
makemake 7 leo"
trines my Neptune and NN on 10 SAg, conjuncts my Draco Chiron.

"moon 6 gemini"
exact conj. my Dr Moon

"Angel 10 aquarius
Asteroid lilith 12 aquarius
Psyche 8 aquarius
Destinn 7 aquarius"
So my Pallas and Hera fall here.

"Neptunus 15 scorpio
Algol 15 scorpio
Karma 13 scorpio"
And that is conjunct my Siva and Moira and so on.
Hmm, wasn`t Algol in Taurus?

"
Merk 7 virgo
uran 8 virgo
kaali 10 virgo
pluto 12 virgo"
Interesting. My Persephone is on 13 Virgo.
And my Hekate is on 6 Virgo and my asteroid Lilith is on 8 Virgo.