posted December 21, 2009 12:37 PM              

but maybe i used the wrong words like illusion..i meant that in the moment we see some good asteroid placement, and we feel it to be accurate,then it cibtrubute for us to feel even better,regarding the other persom.

posted December 21, 2009 12:59 PM              

I understand what you said: that it is when we stop from resisting,and just "let go" that we let the Universe brings us what our Soul longs for.

it is the same for everything else:when we desire,we ask.Put the situation in Godīs hands ( or Universe or Hgher Self) and then we keep walking lifeīs journey,being the best we can,the happier we can,etc.

i always believed in the spiritual side of life,actually it is the only real thing in Life....and that is why for instance i found Johnny,and he found me.
it was then we stopped looking,and let it go,that we found what we were looking for.: the experience our Souls needed,the living of a true soulmate relationship,with all its victories and losses.

posted December 21, 2009 01:02 PM            

But I must say that according to my beliefsystem I disagree with the thought that the planets are not significant enough on their own.
Rather I feel if we feel the need to reach out for asteroids, then we might be doing exactly that - reaching.

I would actually love to be wrong (cause I love some of these asteroids).

So, IQ, what you are saying is, that if the basic planets are showing a lack of interaspects, then the asteroids could fill these blanks, with the same strenght as planets?

That was actually the question that has been in my mind for a while.

I think, if we find some synastry chart without the obvious planetary connections either in natal or progression, but instead with a mass of equivalent asteroid aspects (for example Eros, Psyche or Valentine aspects instead of Venus or Mars), then this would be very convincing - at least for me.

BTW why would mathematical probability require asteroids?

posted December 21, 2009 07:22 PM            

That is, person a's psyche must be in conjunct to person b's eros?
What if they are not in conjunct but belong to the same zodiac sign?

posted December 22, 2009 03:16 AM            

Now when we see meaningful Asteroid Contacts here, the probability increases to one in a million or more.

When only 100,000 people roamed a country, 1/1728 probability can safely help an Astrologer point to a Twin Flame. What do you do when there is a Global Village with one billion eligible partners? It is mathematically incorrect to expect planetary aspects alone to point to a soulmate now.

Thousands of years ago, the basic focus of people was to grow wheat, weave clothes, learn to communicate in a dialect of limited vocabulary, mate with whoever was available and save some gold nuggets before death.
The planets and 12 Houses will accurately predict and depict everything in this case.

Now we have complex minds, complex emotions, mass media, a million choice, thousands of options. How wise is it to rely on the same 10 planets for these millions of permutations? No wonder we see 5000 possibilities per planet, confusing everybody including astrologers.

I feel like both laughing and crying when standard astrology experts speak of Scorpio and Pisces Sun's having advanced psychic or occult gifts. That would mean we have 700 million advanced psychics on Earth. 1200 million if you add the Scorpio Moon and Pisces Moon, 1800 million if you add Scorpio and Pisces Ascendant.

It is very rare to have advanced psychic awareness and occult power in more than 1% of the population. If this is exceeded, the whole planet would have jumped into Advanced Galactic Levels eons ago.

Only Asteroid Combinations explain complex gifts like advanced psyhcic power. Or even complex choices in life.

I once posted a chart of Jenna Jameson without Asteroids, nobody could say that this native could have chosen a career like a pornstar. Just one look at the relevant Asteroids tells a different story, even without the planets we can say that this native could go to conventionally impossible sexual extremes. I tested again with the chart of a billion dollar Indian fraud tycoon. Nothing wrong with his planets but he had Retrograde SWINDLE opposite MIDAS with second-level precision.

Same with Soulmates and Twinflames. You can never come close to the truth of a relationship without checking the Asteroids.

Asteroids explain 10% of the simple behaviour where planets explain 90%.
And Asteroids explain 90% of the complex behaviour for which planets can offer only 10%.

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posted December 22, 2009 04:20 AM            

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Are these aspects supposed to play out in the form of conjunctions?

That is, person a's psyche must be in conjunct to person b's eros?
What if they are not in conjunct but belong to the same zodiac sign?

Thanks.

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Would someone please help me with the question above? I would greatly appreciate it.

posted December 22, 2009 04:52 AM            

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It is said when the student is ready, the Master appears. Likewise, when the lover has experienced love, deceit, manipulation, heart break, friendship and once she feels the truth of reincarnation, then she is ready for her true love relationship soulmate.
And when she goes deeper in her search and surrenders totally to God for arrangement of her true love, then the twin flame appears.

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I like it... I LIKE IT!

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Well, disbelief need not mean non-existence. The fortunate who know the truth and have found their twin will keep laughing their way to Ascension and Immortal Happiness with their Twin. What is the Earth life for them? The whole Cosmos beckons.

Moral: Do not search for the Twin, just Trust in God and improve your Self, at the right time your Twin will appear.

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You have got it exactly right! How did you come to know these things? Was it direct experience on your own?

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Asteroids explain 10% of the simple behaviour where planets explain 90%.
And Asteroids explain 90% of the complex behaviour for which planets can offer only 10%.

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EXCEPTIONAL! I am impressed.

posted December 22, 2009 05:21 AM            

Hi Sanchenuss,
Superb post!
Just imagine if you kept expressing this spiritual potential of yours? Stop hiding that brilliant Leo Sun in your 12th House, and you are on your way to more happiness.

posted December 22, 2009 05:40 AM            

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Same sign is good for EROS-PSYCHE but not as great as a conjunction.

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posted December 22, 2009 08:12 AM            

Disclaimer:
I already said that I like to look at asteroids for specific questions.

"Now when we see meaningful Asteroid Contacts here, the probability increases to one in a million or more."
The probability of meaningful asteroids contacts increases only, if we are using a specific selection of asteroids, cause the probability of having any asteroid conjunct something increases in such high numbers, that they will end up practically meaningless.

Therefore we have to have a certain (limited) number of asteroids for specific questions.

BTW the traditional astrologers also have various ways to differentiate. It is not all just sun sign astrology!

"Thousands of years ago, the basic focus of people was to grow wheat, weave clothes, learn to communicate in a dialect of limited vocabulary, mate with whoever was available and save some gold nuggets before death."
Actually this is still the basic focus of most people; only the tools have changed.
And spiritually interested people have existed at all times.

"I once posted a chart of Jenna Jameson without Asteroids, nobody could say that this native could have chosen a career like a pornstar."

The mystical triangle between Venus, Saturn and Pluto in her chart is quite telling. I wonder in what houses they fall in her natal.I wouldn`t be surprised if they are connected to her 2nd and 10th house.

"to conventionally impossible sexual extremes."
Sexual (Venus as symbol for female sexuality) extremes (Pluto), that get materialized (Saturn) in some way.
Unusual detachment (Uranus) from (male) sexual energy (Mars).

Of course this is just one way to interprete (and express) this configuration.

But I agree, it is somewhat lacking without knowing her exact birthtime to see in what areas this configuration will find expression.

"Asteroids explain 10% of the simple behaviour where planets explain 90%.
And Asteroids explain 90% of the complex behaviour for which planets can offer only 10%. "
HOw did you arrive at that conclusion?

Also, what do you mean by simple behaviour? What do you mean by complex behaviour?

EDIT:

I think asteroids are far too valuable to just brush them aside.
But I think we need a systematic approach to look at them, which includes for me (only brainstorming here):

1. a set of asteroids for specific questions

2. a certain frame in which they have validity / significance

An Isis-Osiris-conjunction could indicate in a synastry a soulmate couple, if the background (the skelletton) is existent, too.

For example I can find many people with whom I share an Isis-Osiris-conjunction or an Adonis-Innanen-trine, but those will hardly be my soulmates.

As I see it, the planets and angles are like the skeletton, and the asteroids are fleshing it out, giving it colour and texture.

posted December 22, 2009 08:38 AM              

are you feeling different in some way.these days?

cause you were one of the persons,who aside me,actually loved the asteroids.

why are you now feeling that they might not be as important,as you thought before?

personally

i continue to love it and see how they actually help me understanding me,and others better.
it is true infact,how IQ said,that complex behaviour is explained more by asteroids,cause many times we just dont see,by looking at only the regular planets...how the person acts,on a specific manner of behaviour.

remember for example when you and me talked about Jīs brother?how he acted,how he is? i showed you his chart,and with some asteroids you clearly saw,right throught him.

i agree with you when you said that we must limit the asterois itself - but i believe that wehn we are looking at a chart,we must choose wisely,and know what kind of asteroids to put.
for instance,to see how a person is affecting the other,negatively,we choose of course nessus,lilith or quiron,psyche...etc

posted December 22, 2009 08:49 AM            

I personally stick to a 5 degree orb for interpreting conjunctions in psychological astrology.

posted December 22, 2009 08:55 AM            

The above is a very good example.

I do not think DD is in anyway avoiding their usage but is adopting a more systematic usage.

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posted December 22, 2009 09:03 AM            

no, I haven`t changed.
I just don`t stop thinking and try to see the same things from different perspectives.
From time to time I go through my own beliefs and what I was saying and thought was logical to see if I still can see the logic and reasoning behind it.
I am not always expressing it verbally, cause I find that it sometimes confuses people.

"why are you now feeling that they might not be as important,as you thought before?"
Hmm, I think I sometimes feel that we are concentrating so much on asteroids, that we may lose the balance.

"cause many times we just dont see,by looking at only the regular planets...how the person acts,on a specific manner of behaviour."
That actually sais more about the skill of the astrologer, but not about the validity of a certain astrological theory.

" showed you his chart,and with some asteroids you clearly saw,right throught him."
Yes, I find it sometimes easier to interprete asteroid aspects, cause they are so specific.

But that doesn`t mean it is the only way to do astrology.

EDIT:
BTW did I really see through him only based on astrology?
Or has astrology become a way to express my intuition, something I just felt about him, when you were talking about him?
Could it even be that I was just reflecting your opinion of him, almost like a "mirror"?

I very much hope this is not true. But can I really say it wasn`t so?

posted December 22, 2009 09:05 AM            

"I do not think DD is in anyway avoiding their usage but is adopting a more systematic usage."
That is exactly what I mean. Thank you!

posted December 22, 2009 12:50 PM            

Sorry i've been quiet... i've just spent a magical week with my LOVE!!!!