posted April 01, 2012 06:43 AM            

Voix_de_la_Mer, I have my BML conjunct my lovers vertex 0* and I do feel like it is a very significant aspect between us.

posted April 02, 2012 05:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Nothing is ever irrelevant. In fact, the smallest piece of info can be a gold mine lol

This is fascinating.I have not read about BML as it gets too confusing with the Liliths so I stuck to the "normal"Lilith i.e. the one that Astrodients uses.

However, look at it this way. The Vertex person is fated to get the planet/asteroid persons particular planet/asteroid.

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posted April 02, 2012 05:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Of course you should consider the other planets it is intervowen with.
On its own it might signify a sudden encounter (out of the blue, perhaps experienced as fateful or shocking) with very primal feminity. I cannot really say much about it though, as it is only one isolated aspect. Would be much stronger if it was aspecting Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars or ASC.

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Hmmm, there's only a sextile to Sun,and OPP to saturn and a conj to uranus.
I guess the uranus conj would strengthen the "sudden" meeting aspect, which is true.

posted April 02, 2012 08:25 PM            

My BML conjuncts Fishy moon then it squares his Sun... I cant say what he feels, but it sure the heck has had one of the most deepest impacts EVER on me.
Im thinking I will never be over this..
I do feel soooo deeply the soul to soul thing. But not sure if thats Neptune messing with me...
His lilith (h13)the asteroid one.Conjuncts my Sun,Moon,and Mercury..
Not sure if thats considered a dw or not.

posted January 26, 2014 12:21 PM            

I'm still a little lost on the difference between true Lilith and Mean Lilith. They are both considered BML? Does that mean Ceridwen's original post aplies to both?

I have Mean lilith at 22º Leo and True lilith at 11º Virgo. How wide should the orbs be when considering aspects?

What about dark moon lilith? Is this something you hope not to find any aspects with? My DML is at 25º aqua.

So it would appear that my DML (close to 20º mercury) oppose my Mean BML. I also have asteroids compassion and ceres at 25º Aqua.

My sun at 17º Pisces seems to have a wide opposition to my 11º Virgo true lilith which conjuncts my nessus retrograde.

My partners DML is at 21º Virgo while my south node is at 23º

My true lilith 11º virgo is close to his 13º Venus, 14º ateroid lilith, and 14º virgo mars.

His true BML is at 20º aqua (same as my mercury) and his mean BML is at 24º aqua (1º from my DML) and exactly trines his 24º libra mercury.

My my mom she has DML and true BML rx at 12º and 13º degrees pisces, close to my 17º sun

Sorry if tmi...I can go on forever...but can see where I get lost.

posted January 26, 2014 12:40 PM              

I usually use the term BML (or true Lilith) for the true Lilith - osculating degree, and LIlith for mean Lilith.

" Does that mean Ceridwen's original post aplies to both?"
Theoretically yes.

Personally I do no use mean Lilith, as this is an averaged position.

"The Mean Apogee or Black Moon is an artifice, like the "fictitious Mean Sun" used by astronomers for the measurement of time. It moves very regularly, describing a perfect circle around the earth/moon barycenter (not the earth). Its movement is actually as round and regular as the hands of a clock and it is very easy to calculate. This roundness of its motion is not a good representative of the nocturnal and magic demoness Lilith; roundness and steady motion belongs to the Sun; it is alien to the world of the Moon.

The Osculating Apogee, on the other hand, represents the shape of the lunar orbit at one specific instant of time. It is not averaged as the mean apogee, and it is already geocentric, unlike the mean apogee. Some people reject it because it doesn't make any sense to them to have it swing as much as 30 degrees from the mean position and have abrupt and irregular changes of velocity and direction, but I think it is precisely this erratic behavior what makes it the best representative of the irrational, instinctive, and primal symbolism of Lilith."
http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/blackmoon/lilith.html

"I have Mean lilith at 22º Leo and True lilith at 11º Virgo. How wide should the orbs be when considering aspects?"
I am considering up to 5 degrees, but pay real attention when it is under 3 degrees (conjunction and opposition at least).

"What about dark moon lilith? Is this something you hope not to find any aspects with? "

The Dark Moon is said to be a hypothetical second Moon around earth.
I don´t use it, as I don`t use any hypothetical objects.

posted January 26, 2014 01:31 PM            

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Originally posted by otterpus:
[b]"Lilith's Lash
Psychologically, Lilith brings up deep and primal issues like repressed feelings of rejection, rage, and the refusal to give in. Lilith's Lash strikes violently, makes sudden movements which seems unappropriate or extreme but are actually reactions on "unfairness". Lilith's lashes bring out the truth from underneath. Lilith reflects the capacity to constructively release anger and resolve conflict. Lilth has a very strong will, is interested in
occult and the unconscious. Lilith will not hesitate to use power and control when she feels repressed. Lilith needs to be "canalized". Her energy must be transformed on to a personal level. If not man could be "woman-haters" and woman here can "hate" themselves which is a very painfull situation of course."
http://www.astrotherapy.eu/BlackMoon.htm

Wow... I totally relate to this...
My bml exactly squares my asc

Thank you SaggiMC for the links!

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posted January 26, 2014 07:57 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Would Lilith in synastry represent someone knowing the depths of your greatest fear and greatest secrets that are ultimately not good for you? Because I honestly feel like someone I share this with is pretty much knowing all about me and bringing them up to the surface. Things I didn't even know about myself, and that's what I'm dealing with right now, and it's kind of making me crazy.

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While PRIAPUS has a very clearly sexual connotation, few things outside of sex can force us to be so vulnerable and 'exposed'.

I'd take a look at your PRIAPUS (h22) 8H activity as well as 8R aspects. Especially overlays involving 12H and 12R. I have 12H synastric overlays with someone - his VENUS in mine, my MARS in his. It can certainly feel that way. His MOON is also in my 8H - so that doesn't help. Heh.

posted January 26, 2014 09:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
"They are both considered BML?"
It depends to whom you are speaking.

I usually use the term BML (or true Lilith) for the true Lilith - osculating degree, and LIlith for mean Lilith.

" Does that mean Ceridwen's original post aplies to both?"
Theoretically yes.

Personally I do no use mean Lilith, as this is an averaged position.

"The Mean Apogee or Black Moon is an artifice, like the "fictitious Mean Sun" used by astronomers for the measurement of time. It moves very regularly, describing a perfect circle around the earth/moon barycenter (not the earth). Its movement is actually as round and regular as the hands of a clock and it is very easy to calculate. This roundness of its motion is not a good representative of the nocturnal and magic demoness Lilith; roundness and steady motion belongs to the Sun; it is alien to the world of the Moon.

The Osculating Apogee, on the other hand, represents the shape of the lunar orbit at one specific instant of time. It is not averaged as the mean apogee, and it is already geocentric, unlike the mean apogee. Some people reject it because it doesn't make any sense to them to have it swing as much as 30 degrees from the mean position and have abrupt and irregular changes of velocity and direction, but I think it is precisely this erratic behavior what makes it the best representative of the irrational, instinctive, and primal symbolism of Lilith."
http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/blackmoon/lilith.html

"I have Mean lilith at 22º Leo and True lilith at 11º Virgo. How wide should the orbs be when considering aspects?"
I am considering up to 5 degrees, but pay real attention when it is under 3 degrees (conjunction and opposition at least).

Very clear and informative! Thank you so much for that!!!!

"What about dark moon lilith? Is this something you hope not to find any aspects with? "

The Dark Moon is said to be a hypothetical second Moon around earth.
I don´t use it, as I don`t use any hypothetical objects.

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posted January 27, 2014 12:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
"They are both considered BML?"
It depends to whom you are speaking.

I usually use the term BML (or true Lilith) for the true Lilith - osculating degree, and LIlith for mean Lilith.

" Does that mean Ceridwen's original post aplies to both?"
Theoretically yes.

Personally I do no use mean Lilith, as this is an averaged position.

"The Mean Apogee or Black Moon is an artifice, like the "fictitious Mean Sun" used by astronomers for the measurement of time. It moves very regularly, describing a perfect circle around the earth/moon barycenter (not the earth). Its movement is actually as round and regular as the hands of a clock and it is very easy to calculate. This roundness of its motion is not a good representative of the nocturnal and magic demoness Lilith; roundness and steady motion belongs to the Sun; it is alien to the world of the Moon.

The Osculating Apogee, on the other hand, represents the shape of the lunar orbit at one specific instant of time. It is not averaged as the mean apogee, and it is already geocentric, unlike the mean apogee. Some people reject it because it doesn't make any sense to them to have it swing as much as 30 degrees from the mean position and have abrupt and irregular changes of velocity and direction, but I think it is precisely this erratic behavior what makes it the best representative of the irrational, instinctive, and primal symbolism of Lilith."
http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/blackmoon/lilith.html

"I have Mean lilith at 22º Leo and True lilith at 11º Virgo. How wide should the orbs be when considering aspects?"
I am considering up to 5 degrees, but pay real attention when it is under 3 degrees (conjunction and opposition at least).

Very clear and informative! Thank you so much for that!!!!

"What about dark moon lilith? Is this something you hope not to find any aspects with? "

The Dark Moon is said to be a hypothetical second Moon around earth.
I don´t use it, as I don`t use any hypothetical objects.

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posted September 30, 2015 12:10 AM            

No?

Thnx much,
Tara.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
"They are both considered BML?"
It depends to whom you are speaking.

I usually use the term BML (or true Lilith) for the true Lilith - osculating degree, and LIlith for mean Lilith.

" Does that mean Ceridwen's original post aplies to both?"
Theoretically yes.

Personally I do no use mean Lilith, as this is an averaged position.

"The Mean Apogee or Black Moon is an artifice, like the "fictitious Mean Sun" used by astronomers for the measurement of time. It moves very regularly, describing a perfect circle around the earth/moon barycenter (not the earth). Its movement is actually as round and regular as the hands of a clock and it is very easy to calculate. This roundness of its motion is not a good representative of the nocturnal and magic demoness Lilith; roundness and steady motion belongs to the Sun; it is alien to the world of the Moon.

The Osculating Apogee, on the other hand, represents the shape of the lunar orbit at one specific instant of time. It is not averaged as the mean apogee, and it is already geocentric, unlike the mean apogee. Some people reject it because it doesn't make any sense to them to have it swing as much as 30 degrees from the mean position and have abrupt and irregular changes of velocity and direction, but I think it is precisely this erratic behavior what makes it the best representative of the irrational, instinctive, and primal symbolism of Lilith."
http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/blackmoon/lilith.html

"I have Mean lilith at 22º Leo and True lilith at 11º Virgo. How wide should the orbs be when considering aspects?"
I am considering up to 5 degrees, but pay real attention when it is under 3 degrees (conjunction and opposition at least).

"What about dark moon lilith? Is this something you hope not to find any aspects with? "

The Dark Moon is said to be a hypothetical second Moon around earth.
I don´t use it, as I don`t use any hypothetical objects.

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posted September 30, 2015 02:08 AM            

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Originally posted by tara19:
Ceri, I am confused. What number are BML and Priapus in astrodienst? I thought BML was h13 and Priapus was h22.

No?

Thnx much,
Tara.

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It is confusing and I hope Ceri replies but I will help how I can in the mean time:

1181, h13, h21, h58

For the purpose of Priapus and BML you will be using H21 and H22.
http://astrofix.net/2010/07/01/how-to-find-all-four-liliths-in-your-birth-chart/

Asteroid Lilith: 1181
Osculating Lilith/ True Lilith: h13
Black Moon Lilith/ Mean Lilith: h21 (It appears as Lilith (i) on astro.com charts.)
Dark Moon Lilith/ Waldemath Black Moon: h58

It seems that H21 and the Lilith with a glyph are both referring to the 'mean' of the Lunar Apogee but the one with the glyph is measured from the Geocenter and H21 is a variant of the mean using an interpolated orbit:

posted September 30, 2015 07:46 AM              

Interestingly people who say they Identify mostly with mean or true Lilith, seem to usually have natural Lilith closer to the object they identify with most.
As a general rule natural Lilith is not moving farther than 5 degrees from mean Lilith.

for me they are close to each other. mean Lilith 24 Aquarius, natural Lilith 27 Aqua, true Lilith 28 Aqua.

I`ve always preferred the true version. HOWEVER, true Priapus would be opposite true Lilith.

posted September 30, 2015 01:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
True Lilith is h13.
However as I read and learned, "true Lilith" is not even that true. It seems the "truest", in astronomical sense, is the natural Lilith and her counterpart Priapus, h21 and h22.

Interestingly people who say they Identify mostly with mean or true Lilith, seem to usually have natural Lilith closer to the object they identify with most.
As a general rule natural Lilith is not moving farther than 5 degrees from mean Lilith.

for me they are close to each other. mean Lilith 24 Aquarius, natural Lilith 27 Aqua, true Lilith 28 Aqua.

I`ve always preferred the true version. HOWEVER, true Priapus would be opposite true Lilith.

The Priapus on astro.com, is the counterpart of the natural / interpolated Lilith.

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posted September 30, 2015 01:23 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I do prefer true Lilith as well, how can we find the true priapus??

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posted September 30, 2015 02:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Ceri's said it's the point exactly opposite True BML. Astro.com doesn't (as of yet) calculate it. Instead, we just have to visualise it opposite the True BML.

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